The only positive tonight is Melo didn't shoot 8 for 30 and we didn't get blown out by 40
They cannot play with Melo and cannot play without Melo.
Just a bunch of NBA players thrown together without plan and meaning.
Running around, pounding the ball, watching the clock of this season to run out, money in the bank, and go to the bitch.
Cool life...
Sorry, but if this team had any hope of finishing first, they win this game.
If they can trade Melo for something decent, they should and start the rebuild...
They look exactly the same with or without Melo- he isn't really the problem, but considering his pay check he should have more of an impact. With and without him we have stretches of ball movement, then it suddenly stops and we brick 3s and long 2's and don't bother driving too the basket. Endless switching because we are too lazy to stay with the player we're meant to be defending. We are just a boring, crappy team, full stop.
Uptown wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Did you feel that way on Christmas?
Typical knee-jerk thread. Where was this thread all of last year?
Unfortunately last year was an aberration. Do you think this current roster can play on that level? I say no way they can. Not happening. Our guards are horrendous on D, everyone else besides Chandler is bad on D, we can't rebound or protect the rim, and out offense is predicated on ISO's and long 2's. Basically, the worst possible way to try to score if you want to win the game.
Don't get me wrong I loved last season and hoped it would last into a run of a couple years of success, lord knows we deserved that as a fan base after suffering the previous 10 years of Layden, Dolan, and Isaiah induced pain. However, my eyes are now open and we will never be able to build around Melo for a litany of reasons which have been discussss as nauseum here. It sucks, but it's the reality.
I am in favor of trading Melo, but I don't see him as the main problem. To me, J.R. Smith and his gunning and ball stopping ways are a bigger issue. The team can take one gunner (Melo) but it cannot take two gunners.
If JR played like he played last night unt they decided to iso him in the 4th we would be alright. Problem is JR doesn't play that way consistently enough and like you said him and Melo is just too much
H1AND1 wrote:Uptown wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Did you feel that way on Christmas?
Typical knee-jerk thread. Where was this thread all of last year?
Unfortunately last year was an aberration. Do you think this current roster can play on that level? I say no way they can. Not happening. Our guards are horrendous on D, everyone else besides Chandler is bad on D, we can't rebound or protect the rim, and out offense is predicated on ISO's and long 2's. Basically, the worst possible way to try to score if you want to win the game.
Don't get me wrong I loved last season and hoped it would last into a run of a couple years of success, lord knows we deserved that as a fan base after suffering the previous 10 years of Layden, Dolan, and Isaiah induced pain. However, my eyes are now open and we will never be able to build around Melo for a litany of reasons which have been discussss as nauseum here. It sucks, but it's the reality.
You can't be an aberration for 82 games of a season. Last yrs team was what they were. Felton, Smith, Shumpert have all regressed. Udrih, Bargs & Artest don't compliment the team as much as Kidd, Novak & Cope did. Kidd's skill set, IQ, leadership complimented the skill set of Felton, Smith, Shumpert. I was hoping Shumpert could step up and take over Kidd's role for the team in his own way, but I also new that was to much to ask.
But I do agree that they won't get back to that level. Going for a high pick in 2015 and cap space seems like the best way to go. But that's not how the Knicks operate.
We could've used Melo in the 4th last night but how many times have we force fed Melo under pressure in the 4th and lost this year?
Abberation
newyorknewyork wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Uptown wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Did you feel that way on Christmas?
Typical knee-jerk thread. Where was this thread all of last year?
Unfortunately last year was an aberration. Do you think this current roster can play on that level? I say no way they can. Not happening. Our guards are horrendous on D, everyone else besides Chandler is bad on D, we can't rebound or protect the rim, and out offense is predicated on ISO's and long 2's. Basically, the worst possible way to try to score if you want to win the game.
Don't get me wrong I loved last season and hoped it would last into a run of a couple years of success, lord knows we deserved that as a fan base after suffering the previous 10 years of Layden, Dolan, and Isaiah induced pain. However, my eyes are now open and we will never be able to build around Melo for a litany of reasons which have been discussss as nauseum here. It sucks, but it's the reality.
You can't be an aberration for 82 games of a season. Last yrs team was what they were. Felton, Smith, Shumpert have all regressed. Udrih, Bargs & Artest don't compliment the team as much as Kidd, Novak & Cope did. Kidd's skill set, IQ, leadership complimented the skill set of Felton, Smith, Shumpert. I was hoping Shumpert could step up and take over Kidd's role for the team in his own way, but I also new that was to much to ask.
But I do agree that they won't get back to that level. Going for a high pick in 2015 and cap space seems like the best way to go. But that's not how the Knicks operate.
Keep Tim Hardaway Jr and Toure Murry
Everyone else can take a hike
TheGame wrote:I am in favor of trading Melo, but I don't see him as the main problem. To me, J.R. Smith and his gunning and ball stopping ways are a bigger issue. The team can take one gunner (Melo) but it cannot take two gunners.
Won 54 games with 2 gunners last year..
gunsnewing wrote:With Amare as lead dogDiscuss...
Amare was dunked on by. 6'3 guard.
He is no lead dog.
He is toast.
Done.
We have no forwards who play big
The Knicks (9-20) were outrebounded 16-9 in the fourth and gave up six offensive rebounds, leading to four key second-chance baskets.
TheGame wrote:I am in favor of trading Melo, but I don't see him as the main problem. To me, J.R. Smith and his gunning and ball stopping ways are a bigger issue. The team can take one gunner (Melo) but it cannot take two gunners.
Bargs personifies everything thats wrong with this team- has the talent, but somehow is worse than he should be. Lazy, only occasionally shows up for games. Disappears for long stretches of games. Fails to do help defense. Switches at the drop of a hat. Brain-dead basketball IQ. Devoid of passion.
I think Bargs is a bigger part of the problem than people seem to think.
Yeah he's one of the guys that are not in shape to play basketball for 48 minutes
gunsnewing wrote:Yeah he's one of the guys that are not in shape to play basketball for 48 minutes
YOu are probably right. He missed a lot of time last season and then got pneumonia late summer/early fall so his conditioning might still be an issue.
Yea add Felton Melo beno and jr to the not in shape to play NBA basketball list. They run out of gas in the 4th
gunsnewing wrote:Yea add Felton Melo beno and jr to the not in shape to play NBA basketball list. They run out of gas in the 4th
Melo is doing too much. He is going to get hurt. I don't see him as having a conditioning issue. Beno came in out of shape and I think that might have kept him out of the rotation. Not sure if Felton started the year off in shape and has faltered because of injuries or if he came in out of shape.
newyorknewyork wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Uptown wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Did you feel that way on Christmas?
Typical knee-jerk thread. Where was this thread all of last year?
Unfortunately last year was an aberration. Do you think this current roster can play on that level? I say no way they can. Not happening. Our guards are horrendous on D, everyone else besides Chandler is bad on D, we can't rebound or protect the rim, and out offense is predicated on ISO's and long 2's. Basically, the worst possible way to try to score if you want to win the game.
Don't get me wrong I loved last season and hoped it would last into a run of a couple years of success, lord knows we deserved that as a fan base after suffering the previous 10 years of Layden, Dolan, and Isaiah induced pain. However, my eyes are now open and we will never be able to build around Melo for a litany of reasons which have been discussss as nauseum here. It sucks, but it's the reality.
You can't be an aberration for 82 games of a season. Last yrs team was what they were. Felton, Smith, Shumpert have all regressed. Udrih, Bargs & Artest don't compliment the team as much as Kidd, Novak & Cope did. Kidd's skill set, IQ, leadership complimented the skill set of Felton, Smith, Shumpert. I was hoping Shumpert could step up and take over Kidd's role for the team in his own way, but I also new that was to much to ask.
But I do agree that they won't get back to that level. Going for a high pick in 2015 and cap space seems like the best way to go. But that's not how the Knicks operate.
It's not so much that our veterans have regressed as that they've naturally aged (and also become more injury prone). Shumpert is probably the only one you can say regressed. And losing Kidd, Novak, and Copeland and replacing them with lousy players hurt. 2012 was one of our best off-seasons in a long time despite losing Lin but 2013 was one of our worst.
gunsnewing wrote:Yea you trade Melo. We are not that far off from being watchableEven JR is tolerable minus Melo
Papabear Says
LOL you are one sick hatin dude.
Speak for yourself not for this forum. The game last night was brick city. If you enjoyed that then I feel sorry for you. They can't make shots, they can.t drive to the basket, they can't rebound. If Melo was in the game we would have won. Be real!! Just because you hate Melo stop spewing false remarks.
gunsnewing wrote:The only positive tonight is Melo didn't shoot 8 for 30 and we didn't get blown out by 40
Papabear Says
LoL it's even Melo's fault when he dosen't play, And stop the BS about if Melo played we would have lost by 40. We would have won. We would have beat the Pacers if Shump did not make a bone head play. We lost several games by 2 3 or 1 point this season so keep your hate for Melo to yourself. This is starting to sound like the Ewing era over again. Melo is a future hall of fame whether you like it or not and if he leaves we go back to the dark ages again. Do you remember the 14 years before Melo came?
