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RonRon wrote:truth was Isiah did collect some talent players that DID NOT MIX

Nate
Crawford
Wilson Chandler
ZBO
David Lee

Curry was a horrible move and a very costly one
are all very good players but NOT TOGETHER and NOT without a TRUE PG and C (Curry couldn't rebound or defend and neither could ZBO or Lee at the C position for long stretches)
Crawford was our #1 or #2 player but is a 6th man type player that needs a TRUE PG

outside of Curry, overpaying for Jared Jeffries and FAT BOY JAMES and FATSPOON *TO REPLICATE LJ*
while grabbing Marbury first

+1. Isiah's downfall was the Curry deal. Had he not lost those two lottery picks that became LeMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah, we'd be singing a very different tune today.

RonRon wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:truth was Isiah did collect some talent players that DID NOT MIX

Nate
Crawford
Wilson Chandler
ZBO
David Lee

Curry was a horrible move and a very costly one
are all very good players but NOT TOGETHER and NOT without a TRUE PG and C (Curry couldn't rebound or defend and neither could ZBO or Lee at the C position for long stretches)
Crawford was our #1 or #2 player but is a 6th man type player that needs a TRUE PG

outside of Curry, overpaying for Jared Jeffries and FAT BOY JAMES and FATSPOON *TO REPLICATE LJ*
while grabbing Marbury first

I still remember James after being off the roster because of an injury (or weight issues), pissing off the fan base, comes back and puts on a show for a few minutes then signals to the bench that he's tired and wants to come out. One good playoff performance in Seattle and he parlays it into lotto money. Talk about peaking at the right time.

I honestly thought James could become a serviceable Center after watching him perform during that playoffs series
I thought we overpayed in years but thought it should have been a 2 year with 3rd year team option with 3 years AT BEST guaranteed, while 5m per year without raises should have been good enough, 3 years with team option for 3rd and 4th while 3rd is partial guaranteed should have been given with James track record

Obviously I was DEAD wrong but atleast I admit my mistakes and opinions

But if such deal was given, instead of the full 5 years, James MIGHT NOT have become lazy and WORK for his next contract, and stay in NBA shape
A reason why SHORT term deals works out better than LONG term deals, in general....

Agreed. He was a decent gamble but it was for too long. Either way, it wasn't my money and it wasn't like we were anywhere close to the cap threshold, so what the hell? You gotta roll the dice sometimes.

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

playa2 wrote:

RonRon wrote:truth was Isiah did collect some talent players that DID NOT MIX

Nate
Crawford
Wilson Chandler
ZBO
David Lee

Curry was a horrible move and a very costly one
are all very good players but NOT TOGETHER and NOT without a TRUE PG and C (Curry couldn't rebound or defend and neither could ZBO or Lee at the C position for long stretches)
Crawford was our #1 or #2 player but is a 6th man type player that needs a TRUE PG

outside of Curry, overpaying for Jared Jeffries and FAT BOY JAMES and FATSPOON *TO REPLICATE LJ*
while grabbing Marbury first

Even Isiah knew what right mix of players could mesh to win a championship when he played in Detroit.

So for him to come to NY and try to mesh the wrong pieces baffles my mind. They had role players and two-way players so why would he have tried to duplicate that today if he was really trying to put together a winner ?

We may have had one of the worst situations that any professional sports franchise has ever been in. We were locked into contracts for several years to players that would be out of the league had their contract not been guaranteed. Think about it. Think about how fast guys like Shandon Anderson, Charlie Ward, Clearance Weatherspoon and Howard Eisley found their way out of the league as soon as their contracts expired. The fact is that Isiah didn't have much to work with and needed to collect assets before he started to build a team and it's exactly what he did, well enough. His greatest blunder was thinking that he was close to something after acquiring Marbury because that lead to Eddy Curry, which lead to Isiah's demise.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly twenty years later.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

They also lucked out so to speak when David Robinson went out with a season ending injury which got them the high pick.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

Gotcha. I didn't realize you meant their own pick.

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

They also lucked out so to speak when David Robinson went out with a season ending injury which got them the high pick.

Spurs could have traded the pick trying to boster Robinson in previous years or panic to save season by making a trade. Like we did with ewing.

Bottom line is they held their pick for what ever reason.

Reinsdorf in the post Jerry Krause era does not impress me as a really good owner. They seem to fall short in many ways. Rose injury aside of course.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

They also lucked out so to speak when David Robinson went out with a season ending injury which got them the high pick.

Spurs could have traded the pick trying to boster Robinson in previous years or panic to save season by making a trade. Like we did with ewing.

Bottom line is they held their pick for what ever reason.

Reinsdorf in the post Jerry Krause era does not impress me as a really good owner. They seem to fall short in many ways. Rose injury aside of course.

As producer Robert Evans used to say "Luck is where opportunity meets preparation". They don't get the number one pick without Robinson going down and they don't get it if they trade the pick either.

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

They also lucked out so to speak when David Robinson went out with a season ending injury which got them the high pick.

Word 'round the cooler was that Robinson could've come back in time to save the season and they kept him glued to the bench; same as the Pistons did with Isiah during the Grant Hill draft (which Isiah admitted in an Open Court episode). So yes, there was a little luck but a whole lot of preparation as well in both cases.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

MX25 wrote:Great deal for Bulls. They can then amnesty Boozer and save another 17 mill.

Maybe I was wrong and maybe they could be a threat to sign Melo outright. TRADE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

And I think the Lakers could sign him outright too. They don't have a good team to draw him in but he'd at least be joining a franchise with a history of being well-run.

True. I don't have much faith in Jim Buss, who gives off a Dolan aura to me (kid born on 3rd base that acts like he hit a triple). Their coaches, who he supposedly had final decision in, have been awful. I think that now, however, the Bulls are the big threat because not only will they get an awesome pick in this years draft to be a key player at a cheap price but they have Tom Thibs who Melo reportedly loves, a healthy Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah. I wish my franchise was as competent as these guys.

I don't think they get a pick in this year's draft. The pick is protected and Cleveland will be in the lottery this year.
We all suffer together with this franchise!

The Bulls have their own pick and the Bobcats (protected pick). Like I said, these dudes know what they are doing. You noticed how last year they put everything into competing because the draft sucked, while this year they are kind of hanging in the cut? Smart teams do that. The Spurs did that to get Tim Duncan and now look at where they are at nearly two years later.

They also lucked out so to speak when David Robinson went out with a season ending injury which got them the high pick.

Word 'round the cooler was that Robinson could've come back in time to save the season and they kept him glued to the bench; same as the Pistons did with Isiah during the Grant Hill draft (which Isiah admitted in an Open Court episode). So yes, there was a little luck but a whole lot of preparation as well in both cases.

Remember hearing that talk. I guess Pops should get some credit for that, he was the GM before he fired Hill and made himself coach, lol.

Have to admit I thought it was a sleazy thing to do at the time considering Robinson's injury, but its impossible to argue with the results. Isiah tried (or was forced) to pull the same stunt. We're like the bizarro version of the Spurs.

Isiah didn't make any prudent moves while he was here.

-Curry trade was one of the worse in league history

-Keep in mind he gave Jamal Crawford a 6 year deal and in order to get a 6th man he acquired Jerome Williams and his 7MM a year salary over three years. That deal was horrible.

-Trading Nazr for two late draft selection, he moved an expiring deal for Malik Rose and his $9MM salary. The pick became David Lee, however he gave up an asset in order to make the deal when picks were available for purchase at $3MM with no cap ramifications

-Nate Robinson? He traded a veteran winning player in Kurt Thomas for Q-Rich and his massive uninsured deal. Another cap killing trade for a player that likely would have been on the board in the second round

-Drafting Balkman over three point guards?

We are the only team in the league outside of the Nets that doesn't protect draft selections. This franchise will never produce a winner. We are giving Melo 130MM we are not smart enough to cut bait and secure assets to build a better team.

MS wrote:Isiah didn't make any prudent moves while he was here.

-Curry trade was one of the worse in league history

-Keep in mind he gave Jamal Crawford a 6 year deal and in order to get a 6th man he acquired Jerome Williams and his 7MM a year salary over three years. That deal was horrible.

-Trading Nazr for two late draft selection, he moved an expiring deal for Malik Rose and his $9MM salary. The pick became David Lee, however he gave up an asset in order to make the deal when picks were available for purchase at $3MM with no cap ramifications

-Nate Robinson? He traded a veteran winning player in Kurt Thomas for Q-Rich and his massive uninsured deal. Another cap killing trade for a player that likely would have been on the board in the second round

-Drafting Balkman over three point guards?

We are the only team in the league outside of the Nets that doesn't protect draft selections. This franchise will never produce a winner. We are giving Melo 130MM we are not smart enough to cut bait and secure assets to build a better team.

- the Curry deal is the league worst in my biased eyes.

-Jerome Williams was a productive player for us. All in all, that was a good trade because we gave up nothing and got something.

-The Mohammed deal was odd to me because like you said, we could've just bought the pick. Either way, David Lee was apart of the deal and there is no way to justify Mohammed as having more value than since the draft.

-Kurt Thomas was 34 years old at the time, I think. I highly doubt we would've gotten much more than that for him, even though he was still productive. Today, Nate Robinson is still in the league and was good enough just last season to save the Bulls.

-I can't defend the Balkman draft. I hated it then (even though I liked the player) and hated it now. In a draft, you always pick the best player available and there were serious concerns about whether Balkman would get drafted, let alone in the first round.

Like I said, I think Isiah's big fuck-up was the Eddy Curry deal because he didn't do too bad a job in getting us assets.

MS wrote:Isiah didn't make any prudent moves while he was here.

-Curry trade was one of the worse in league history

-Keep in mind he gave Jamal Crawford a 6 year deal and in order to get a 6th man he acquired Jerome Williams and his 7MM a year salary over three years. That deal was horrible.

-Trading Nazr for two late draft selection, he moved an expiring deal for Malik Rose and his $9MM salary. The pick became David Lee, however he gave up an asset in order to make the deal when picks were available for purchase at $3MM with no cap ramifications

-Nate Robinson? He traded a veteran winning player in Kurt Thomas for Q-Rich and his massive uninsured deal. Another cap killing trade for a player that likely would have been on the board in the second round

-Drafting Balkman over three point guards?

We are the only team in the league outside of the Nets that doesn't protect draft selections. This franchise will never produce a winner. We are giving Melo 130MM we are not smart enough to cut bait and secure assets to build a better team.

If Melo is retained at 30+years old at $130mil I will officially give up on this team

This move isn't that different from the McGrady trade except that the Cavs aren't including their lottery pick from this year and are getting a player that actually can play and might be a part of their future.

Man, I can see these guys are positioning themselves to make a run a Melo.

CrushAlot wrote:This move isn't that different from the McGrady trade except that the Cavs aren't including their lottery pick from this year and are getting a player that actually can play and might be a part of their future.

It might be worse IMO. Unlike us, there is no free agent star on the horizon that wants to go to Cleveland and they are still not good enough to justify swapping a 2015 lottery pick and surrendering another in the future.

playa2 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Wow man this is the difference between great franchises and the Knicks. The Builds set themselves up for a retooling this summer. The cavaliers added another piece to their puzzle. They aren't going to beg LeBron to sign with them. They are assembling their own team that now looks very very good with Deng.

The knicks live on hope and a prayer. No plan whatsoever

Cleveland got Deng on a rental , he bounces after this season . Bynum will probably go to Miami and grow up like Beasley after Chi-town waives him before 5pm today and save 15 Mill....as the world turns. Or he goes out to the LA Clippers.

I dont think Bynum and Beasley are in the same class. Bynum has 2 chips before the age of 24 and he was the starting C who avg a double double. I think the injuries have taken a toll on what couldve been a top 3 player in this league if he stayed away from major injury--his legs have been taken from him.

MS wrote:Isiah didn't make any prudent moves while he was here.

-Curry trade was one of the worse in league history

-Keep in mind he gave Jamal Crawford a 6 year deal and in order to get a 6th man he acquired Jerome Williams and his 7MM a year salary over three years. That deal was horrible.

-Trading Nazr for two late draft selection, he moved an expiring deal for Malik Rose and his $9MM salary. The pick became David Lee, however he gave up an asset in order to make the deal when picks were available for purchase at $3MM with no cap ramifications

-Nate Robinson? He traded a veteran winning player in Kurt Thomas for Q-Rich and his massive uninsured deal. Another cap killing trade for a player that likely would have been on the board in the second round

-Drafting Balkman over three point guards?

We are the only team in the league outside of the Nets that doesn't protect draft selections. This franchise will never produce a winner. We are giving Melo 130MM we are not smart enough to cut bait and secure assets to build a better team.

same morons running the team.. same results.... you know dolan is itching to give carmelo that franchise killing deal.... smh..