He never did....don't know why people think he's going to change now! Everybody matures at different ages in life! JR will be in his 60 by the time he matures to the level everybody expects him too.
Holy Jesus, is that pic from JR's twitter account?
martin wrote:Holy Jesus, is that pic from JR's twitter account?
Social media is starting to become the #1 killer these days.....for the younger generation!
Wow. Unreal..
this can't be after the game last night, no fkng way
If it turns out that this was after the game last night, does it make sense to just send him away from the team? The longer he is around, the more of a distraction he is going to become.
martin wrote:Holy Jesus, is that pic from JR's twitter account?
Yo Martin I sent you an Email to info@ultimaeknicks.com
djsunyc wrote:
Djsunyc always bringing bad news.
I wonder if its more about him being a sociopath than just immature? I know I'm being an armchair psychologist here but he seems to fit the clinical definition of one. Not just his on the court behavior.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20027920
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school
He seems to have a need to always get the last word in without understanding the situation. Whether it is not shooting and sabotaging your coach because he speaks to you about shot selection, untying another guys shoes the day after the league office disciplines you for it or clowning the situation after you are fined and held out of a game for your behavior.
knicks1248 wrote:this can't be after the game last night, no fkng way
I was thinking the same thing but given what he's doing in the pic I would think it's recent. Unless it's an inside joke with the other people there, I see no reason for him to be making that face and pointing at the shoe.
This dude should not be allowed to pay another game for the knicks. The nba should silently black list him too like They've done to countless players.
Funny thing is China is done with him and I'd be surprised if any pro team picks him up in the world. Such a douche.
You guys sound like a bunch of granmas sitting in the park on a sunny day.
"did you hear about that JR character? "
"that boy is up to no good, what did he do again?"
"he took a picture of himself untying a shoelace ! In the club! After doing it in a game and getting fined for it!"
"someone needs to straighten him out, like in the good old days !"
"yeah you got that right'
"Uhh- huhh"
ramtour420 wrote:You guys sound like a bunch of granmas sitting in the park on a sunny day. "did you hear about that JR character? "
"that boy is up to no good, what did he do again?"
"he took a picture of himself untying a shoelace ! In the club! After doing it in a game and getting fined for it!"
"someone needs to straighten him out, like in the good old days !"
"yeah you got that right'
"Uhh- huhh"
I agree to a point. The guy did go out and try to get the last word on Woodson when Woodson spoke to him about shot selection. Woodson is his biggest supporter and I think that was one of the days Begley wrote at least three fire woodson articles. JR goes out and doesn't shoot despite having open shots and the team loses. You can't do that in the real world. He was spoken to by Rod Thorn, the GM, the Coach and then went out and did the same thing. After being benched he clowned the same behavior on twitter that got him benched and fined. Not sure what the moral code is for guys getting paid 18 million but I am pretty sure JR is breaking it and his performance isn't anywhere close to a level where you ignore it because he brings so much to the team. I get a young guy partying and making mistakes. I don't get the lack of remorse and need to have the last word at the expense of your coach and team in a game, clown about it on social media and the general misunderstanding of the magnitude of your behavior. Woodson was on the chopping block and this fool decides he isn't going to shoot because Woodson asked him to take better shots? Most if not all have had youthful indiscretions. However, when you mess up and get called on it most individuals have a sense of remorse and minimally try to be more discrete. JR's reaction indicates a major character flaw. The fact that this is a pattern throughout his life is creates a lot more concern. This isn't guys over reacting to a guy just being young and messing up. This is a guy that messed up, was confronted and told not to do it, deliberately did it again, got serious consequences for it and clowned about it after getting the consequences. In my opinion if you are doing that there is a disconnect and a flawed character.
ramtour420 wrote:You guys sound like a bunch of granmas sitting in the park on a sunny day.
"did you hear about that JR character? "
"that boy is up to no good, what did he do again?"
"he took a picture of himself untying a shoelace ! In the club! After doing it in a game and getting fined for it!"
"someone needs to straighten him out, like in the good old days !"
"yeah you got that right'
"Uhh- huhh"
You have to come down hard on him because you don't want players doing that with the game on the line. It's pretty serious. Kenny Smith said it was excessive but then went on to say the first time was worth 15k and the second 17.5k....ok so it should have been 32.5k? Yeah ok Kenny
Jr has Amanda Bynes disease.
CrushAlot wrote:ramtour420 wrote:You guys sound like a bunch of granmas sitting in the park on a sunny day. "did you hear about that JR character? "
"that boy is up to no good, what did he do again?"
"he took a picture of himself untying a shoelace ! In the club! After doing it in a game and getting fined for it!"
"someone needs to straighten him out, like in the good old days !"
"yeah you got that right'
"Uhh- huhh"
I agree to a point. The guy did go out and try to get the last word on Woodson when Woodson spoke to him about shot selection. Woodson is his biggest supporter and I think that was one of the days Begley wrote at least three fire woodson articles. JR goes out and doesn't shoot despite having open shots and the team loses. You can't do that in the real world. He was spoken to by Rod Thorn, the GM, the Coach and then went out and did the same thing. After being benched he clowned the same behavior on twitter that got him benched and fined. Not sure what the moral code is for guys getting paid 18 million but I am pretty sure JR is breaking it and his performance isn't anywhere close to a level where you ignore it because he brings so much to the team. I get a young guy partying and making mistakes. I don't get the lack of remorse and need to have the last word at the expense of your coach and team in a game, clown about it on social media and the general misunderstanding of the magnitude of your behavior. Woodson was on the chopping block and this fool decides he isn't going to shoot because Woodson asked him to take better shots? Most if not all have had youthful indiscretions. However, when you mess up and get called on it most individuals have a sense of remorse and minimally try to be more discrete. JR's reaction indicates a major character flaw. The fact that this is a pattern throughout his life is creates a lot more concern. This isn't guys over reacting to a guy just being young and messing up. This is a guy that messed up, was confronted and told not to do it, deliberately did it again, got serious consequences for it and clowned about it after getting the consequences. In my opinion if you are doing that there is a disconnect and a flawed character.
Great write-up, Crush. Couldn't have said it any better. Not only does he commit all these questionable acts, he then always takes it further by not being remorseful, clowning about the situation on twitter, etc. That's it in a nutshell...So immature, disrespectful and downright disturbing.
My wife read the Wojo article yesterday on Yahoo and asked me about what he went to jail for. I told her about the 2007 car accident where he was driving recklessly (yet again) and his best friend was ejected from the vehicle and killed. I believe he served a reduced sentence about 2 yrs later in '09 (60 days, 30 days? Whatever it was..). This punk's damn lucky he didn't get convicted of a more serious crime regarding this incident. You would think that something like this would change a person for the better. Can you imagine if something even remotely close ever happened to you? I don't even think I could speak anymore, let alone keep acting like a fool and continue on my ignorant, immature, disruptive way. This guy's got major problems...I want him gone. We don't need him.
GustavBahler wrote:I wonder if its more about him being a sociopath than just immature? I know I'm being an armchair psychologist here but he seems to fit the clinical definition of one. Not just his on the court behavior.http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20027920
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school
It definitely crossed my mind but I suspect he wouldn't have had such a close relationship with his brother. People like that generally keep people in their circle if there is some advantage to be gained. What does Chris offer? If anything, he is a burden.
GustavBahler wrote:I wonder if its more about him being a sociopath than just immature? I know I'm being an armchair psychologist here but he seems to fit the clinical definition of one. Not just his on the court behavior.http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20027920
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school
Nah, I work in mental health and even though I don't really believe in diagnosis anyways, he would never meet the criteria to be deemed a sociopath. It just seems like a case of immaturity, in the sense that from his perspective he thinks basketball should be fun, he likes to party and when he unties shoe laces he's just joking around and can't see why people are getting so worked up about it. Of course people are getting worked up about it because it's representative of something else (his whole attitude and play this season). And you know, who's to say he's wrong and we're right- he's the rich man trying to enjoy life, maybe we take basketball too seriously.
Of course now there's the issue of how does he respond to being shamed- everyone responds differently, some become apologetic, some get defensive, some get angry, some become defiant, some rebel etc he seems like he'll be doing the latter.
