knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
Why did "The guy at work" get hired to begin with? Was he coming in while he was producing?
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
woodson has been the only coach since JVG that actually came into the season with a more then decent roster, that wasn't flip twice during the season..
Thats the #1 reason that DOLAN reassured there would be no changes, cause he saw how that effected all of MDA's rosters while he coach here.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
woodson has been the only coach since JVG that actually came into the season with a more then decent roster, that wasn't flip twice during the season..
Thats the #1 reason that DOLAN reassured there would be no changes, cause he saw how that effected all of MDA's rosters while he coach here.
Exactly; like almost every coach, he'll win with a good roster and lose with a bad one. This is a legit sub .500 team. It's amazing the stats predicted this and even predicted that there would be misdirected blame towards the coach by confused fans who thought the roster was so much better than it was.
The Knicks are led by a star who tantalizes with his solo acts. Other than Melo, there is not much consistent help on defense. Last night, he showed the strength to actually muscle Hibbert out of the post. Amazing stuff. Chandler and the rest of the frontcourt is either injured or brittle.
The point guards are all defensively deficient, in their physical abilities. All of them.
The pacers, led by that crazy azz Lance Stephenson, simply ran past and around us.
During early January, the defense showed some life. The knicks are only as good as their Defense.
Defense.
JD and the straight shot: The straight shot is a very good back up band. Dolan is not awful, but they make him sound real good! Dolan might not realize this.
Melo is a very good player with an very subpar backing band. On the olympic team he as amazing.
Im not bashing him, im saying he needs help.
I hope we can get him some!
gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
woodson has been the only coach since JVG that actually came into the season with a more then decent roster, that wasn't flip twice during the season..
Thats the #1 reason that DOLAN reassured there would be no changes, cause he saw how that effected all of MDA's rosters while he coach here.
Exactly; like almost every coach, he'll win with a good roster and lose with a bad one. This is a legit sub .500 team. It's amazing the stats predicted this and even predicted that there would be misdirected blame towards the coach by confused fans who thought the roster was so much better than it was.
stats predicted we would win 45 games last season..
SFX: crickets
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
Uptown - thank you for posing the question that will not be answered.
Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
I thought we won 54 games and finished 2nd behind Miami? I thought our record last year was considered Gold?
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
I thought we won 54 games and finished 2nd behind Miami? I thought our record last year was considered Gold?
Right now the Pacers are playing the best basketball of any team in the NBA..The same team we lost to last year and still u think the Knicks should have won in the playoffs ...
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
I thought we won 54 games and finished 2nd behind Miami? I thought our record last year was considered Gold?
Did anything come up adversity/injury wise that might have helped to derail the team?
gunsnewing wrote:Uptown wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I wasn't thrilled about replacing Dantoni with Woodson but I thought he did a good job in the regular season. Then the playoffs rolled around and I saw why Atlanta got rid of himI also wanted to see Dantoni go because it was clear him and Melo just wasn't going to work.
Similar to how people want to see Woodson go now. People are always going to defend coaches
What team did the Knicks lose to in the playoffs under Woodson, that we were flat-out better than?
I thought we won 54 games and finished 2nd behind Miami? I thought our record last year was considered Gold?
Basketball is all about match ups. As Holfresh said, the Pacers are the best team in the NBA right now. Do you honestly believe we were better than the Pacers during last years playoff series?
I didn't think we would beat Indiana or Chicago in the playoffs because of the way they toyed with us in the regular season but I was constantly reminded that we won 54 games 2nd seed. Despite the fact that the Knicks roster as constituted clearly had no longevity and it was only getting worse.
However none of this changes he fact that Mike Woodson is a very limited head coach. Not even sure he is a good defensive assistant. I would have to go back and analyze his time in Detroit and see if it was him or Larry brown. I'm not even going to bother looking at his time in Atlanta
I do credit Woodson for putting a coaching staff together of guys who will never replace him. He was already undermined in Atlanta
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
woodson has been the only coach since JVG that actually came into the season with a more then decent roster, that wasn't flip twice during the season..
Thats the #1 reason that DOLAN reassured there would be no changes, cause he saw how that effected all of MDA's rosters while he coach here.
Exactly; like almost every coach, he'll win with a good roster and lose with a bad one. This is a legit sub .500 team. It's amazing the stats predicted this and even predicted that there would be misdirected blame towards the coach by confused fans who thought the roster was so much better than it was.
stats predicted we would win 45 games last season..
jason kidd brought cohesion that the stats would not have predicted. not assist totals-- cohesion. and with cohesion comes synergy, confidence. he made the team singlehandedly 9 games better. if you want to look back at why this must be so, compare the season where kidd stepped in and replaced dinglebury.
The mecca is no different than any other place. Fans think a change will bring success. They get mad when they watch their team lose. Owners want fans to buy tickets.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Cartman718 wrote:fishmike wrote:Ill bet most on this thread who are complaining about Woody also complained that MDA was poor here also. So guess what? Piss off. You got your new coach so enjoy
lol i liked d'antoni actually, but if you are talking about woody being a replacement for mda, guess what... i am pretty sure most people that wanted d'antoni gone didn't want woody as his replacement!!!
If so, they were awfully quiet for the past few years
maybe, but I dont know if lots of people were saying... yayyy great hire!
You don't know what people were saying after the 18-6 turn around?
small sample size right?
Yes, it is but that has nothing to do with my question.
who's going to question success, it's when you start failing, ppl take a closer look at the sht your doing...
Its like a guy at wrk produces the most, so he comes in late, leaves early or doesnt come in at all, once he stops producing, there watching him like a hawk...
I'm not asking you to question success but rather to at least recognize if not praise it. Woodson is actually the only coach who's ever had any sliver of success working for Dolan.
woodson has been the only coach since JVG that actually came into the season with a more then decent roster, that wasn't flip twice during the season..
Thats the #1 reason that DOLAN reassured there would be no changes, cause he saw how that effected all of MDA's rosters while he coach here.
Exactly; like almost every coach, he'll win with a good roster and lose with a bad one. This is a legit sub .500 team. It's amazing the stats predicted this and even predicted that there would be misdirected blame towards the coach by confused fans who thought the roster was so much better than it was.
stats predicted we would win 45 games last season..
It depends on what you look at. Schoene predicted 45 and wins produced predicted 55.
If you look at the link below, you'll see the predictions ranged from around 45 to 55. So, 50 +/- a few would have been a reasonable expectation.
http://apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?p=...
dk7th nails it:
jason kidd brought cohesion that the stats would not have predicted. not assist totals-- cohesion. and with cohesion comes synergy, confidence. he made the team singlehandedly 9 games better. if you want to look back at why this must be so, compare the season where kidd stepped in and replaced dinglebury.
We have no floor leader.
Carmelo cannot do everything. He is trying and that is honorable. He is rebounding and sometimes advancing the ball. Dude is a flat out warrior. But we are killin him in the process, because we have no one else who brings consistency or (healthy) who understands cohesion.
Damn.
misterearl wrote:dk7th nails it:jason kidd brought cohesion that the stats would not have predicted. not assist totals-- cohesion. and with cohesion comes synergy, confidence. he made the team singlehandedly 9 games better. if you want to look back at why this must be so, compare the season where kidd stepped in and replaced dinglebury.
We have no floor leader.
Carmelo cannot do everything. He is trying and that is honorable. He is rebounding and sometimes advancing the ball. Dude is a flat out warrior. But we are killin him in the process, because we have no one else who brings consistency or (healthy) who understands cohesion.
Damn.
Kind of like Amare that first year 
