The sad thing is that this was a winnable game. Sure the Clips have been playing well even without CP3, it's still a huge break not to have to face him. So many issues that it's not possible to address them all. Just an all around mess of a team right now. Coaches and players all get a failing grade.
playa2 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:NardDogNation wrote:2:43 left. Where the fuck is Jeremy Tyler, the kid that is shooting 100% at the moment and has uber-potential?
He was a fouling machine in the third quarter. But the game is over and Tyson looked spent before the game.
I don't get Tysons rep here as a leader and veteran presence. He's so weak mentally that I hope no one is looking to follow his lead
Chandler is the only guy that actually goes to battle for this team in the paint. It's unreasonable to expect him to do all of that without some help. Outside of Chandler and Melo (possibly Tyler and Hardaway), no one on this team is worth a damn.
I bet you Cole Aldrich would have helped Chandler in the paint.
Tyson is just disappointing. His health, his play his overhyped rep and his 'leadership'.
CrushAlot wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:NardDogNation wrote:2:43 left. Where the fuck is Jeremy Tyler, the kid that is shooting 100% at the moment and has uber-potential?
He was a fouling machine in the third quarter. But the game is over and Tyson looked spent before the game.
I don't get Tysons rep here as a leader and veteran presence. He's so weak mentally that I hope no one is looking to follow his lead
Chandler is the only guy that actually goes to battle for this team in the paint. It's unreasonable to expect him to do all of that without some help. Outside of Chandler and Melo (possibly Tyler and Hardaway), no one on this team is worth a damn.
I disagree about Chandler. The first four games he was going to battle but since then I haven't seen it. He certainly wasm't battling very well last spring when he was out or being abused by Hibbert. The Knicks need a lot more from him. Agree about Melo and Hardaway. Also, KMart and Amare have played balls out when they are in.
Chandler's been frequently injured and always banged up. To his credit, he plays through most of it except when the flu is involved. Outside of him (and Melo), the team is as soft as Charmins.
As for K-Mart and Amar'e, I like both but half-season, limit restriction players don't mean much to me. They are liabilities and we need to look to get guys that can actually play their role for a season.
Papabear Says
Crawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
playa2 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:NardDogNation wrote:2:43 left. Where the fuck is Jeremy Tyler, the kid that is shooting 100% at the moment and has uber-potential?
He was a fouling machine in the third quarter. But the game is over and Tyson looked spent before the game.
I don't get Tysons rep here as a leader and veteran presence. He's so weak mentally that I hope no one is looking to follow his lead
Chandler is the only guy that actually goes to battle for this team in the paint. It's unreasonable to expect him to do all of that without some help. Outside of Chandler and Melo (possibly Tyler and Hardaway), no one on this team is worth a damn.
I bet you Cole Aldrich would have helped Chandler in the paint.
He's a bum. I wonder if he can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Shump 2 points in the last two games. 20 points total in his last 5 games. No way a team can win with that as the starting shooting guard.
Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysCrawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how shitty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.
CrushAlot wrote:Shump 2 points in the last two games. 20 points total in his last 5 games. No way a team can win with that as the starting shooting guard.
Imagine if we had traded him for Dudley and a 1st rounder (like what the Suns were offering) when we had the chance. We would've had the opportunity to get Eric Bledsoe this past offseason and draft an Isiah Canaan or Pierre Jackson (who is the rage of the D-league). It breaks my heart to know of the opportunities we pissed away.
NardDogNation wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Shump 2 points in the last two games. 20 points total in his last 5 games. No way a team can win with that as the starting shooting guard.
Imagine if we had traded him for Dudley and a 1st rounder (like what the Suns were offering) when we had the chance. We would've had the opportunity to get Eric Bledsoe this past offseason and draft an Isiah Canaan or Pierre Jackson (who is the rage of the D-league). It breaks my heart to know of the opportunities we pissed away.
Yeah now the Knicks have the next Terrance Williams.
NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysCrawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how shitty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.
Papabear Says
That will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.
Papabear wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysCrawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how shitty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.
Papabear SaysThat will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.
I get your point. I don't have confidence in our current management's ability to successfully rebuild this team but it is definitely the right move to make. At this pace, Melo is going to break down and then we'll be stuck with Allan Houston/Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0 and destroy the only real asset we actually have. I think it's best to cash out now before any of that happens and maybe see if we can swing a deal with the Bulls for their contracts and picks.
It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
Its hard not to come to that conclusion. Hopefully he is worth more than a second rounder but currently he is a liability. The Knicks have a horrible backcourt. When Pablo comes back they should go with the two point guard line up. The best big KMart, Bargs or Tyson should start. I don't think Tyson should be guaranteed that spot. Whatever works best chemistry wise. Also a Bargs, Kmart, Melo front court might work really well. KMart is such a good passer in that role. KMart and Melo compliment each other. Hopefully KMart's health isn't an issue
NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysCrawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how shitty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.
Papabear SaysThat will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.
I get your point. I don't have confidence in our current management's ability to successfully rebuild this team but it is definitely the right move to make. At this pace, Melo is going to break down and then we'll be stuck with Allan Houston/Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0 and destroy the only real asset we actually have. I think it's best to cash out now before any of that happens and maybe see if we can swing a deal with the Bulls for their contracts and picks.
Papabear Says
The Bulls are rebuilding what make you think they want Melo? Look I think the Bulls are starting to second guess Rose health. They are in rebuild mode.
Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can't think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.
Papabear wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysCrawford is speaking now. I remember people on this board called him Crawfall. Now he is doing just fine. Seem when we chase good players out of town they do better. Melo don't need this and it probably won't get better next season. These young players we have like Murray just seems ok but I do not see him ever being a starter. If something don't happen fast all I can see is dark days ahead. I just can't see Felton as a starting point guard.
Yeah, I'm already over the Murry hype. He just seemed like he had potential because of how shitty our PG platoon is. I still like Tyler though and would like to develop both he and Hardaway Jr. Unfortunately, neither is good enough to help us meaningful in the short term. The only thing we can do at this point is trade Melo and start the rebuilding process.
Papabear SaysThat will mean 10 years on the dark side. When have we ever rebuilt a team. I would wait and see if Melo can talk a super star to play with him in New York.
I get your point. I don't have confidence in our current management's ability to successfully rebuild this team but it is definitely the right move to make. At this pace, Melo is going to break down and then we'll be stuck with Allan Houston/Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0 and destroy the only real asset we actually have. I think it's best to cash out now before any of that happens and maybe see if we can swing a deal with the Bulls for their contracts and picks.
Papabear SaysThe Bulls are rebuilding what make you think they want Melo? Look I think the Bulls are starting to second guess Rose health. They are in rebuild mode.
I was under the impression that they were retooling, not rebuilding. Considering Rose's (and Noah's) health though, the safer thing for them to do is rebuild from the ground up. Time will tell.
I knew the 5 game win streak was a fluke, look at us now, in shambles like paupers
Dagger wrote:Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.
Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.
NardDogNation wrote:Dagger wrote:Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.
Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.
Where was Lilard picked first or second? You got to throw in Stephenson.
Vmart wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Dagger wrote:Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.
Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.
Where was Lilard picked first or second? You got to throw in Stephenson.
Lilard was a high pick, lottery? King traded the pick to get Crash so that DWil wouldn't leave. Should have kept the pick. Lilard a healthy bropez and whatever move (Johnson or someone else) puts the Nets in a position to compete for a lot of years.
NardDogNation wrote:Dagger wrote:Vmart wrote:It's official Shump is a Chump and needs to be dumped. I no longer think Shump is a viable option. I'll take a second rounder for him today, tomorrow and the next day.
I wouldn't mind seeing him traded as well, but second rounders are pretty much worthless. Who's the best non-European to come out of the second round? I can think of any really good players whatsoever. Second round picks at best turn into average players. I'd rather get another player for shump than 1 second round pick. I'd do it for two second rounders, but one just isn't enough.
Rashard Lewis (all-star), Manu Ginobli (perennial all-star; Argentinian not European so he counts), Michael Redd (perennial all-star), Gilbert Arenas (perennial all-star), Carlos Boozer (all-star)....the list is pretty lengthy.
Most of those players are good but not great, what I'm saying is that in the second round it's very unlikely you get a very good player. None of those guys are HOF besides maybe Manu. When I said no Europeans I meant Manu, ironic he's not even European.
