Knicks · Melo Is As Good As It Gets (page 6)

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

I don't think it is impossible to build a contending team with Melo but he would have to NOT opt out this summer at least
Hopefully even take less for 1 year with a player option in 2015 summer do some wise recruiting and find a core to build WITH
And if Dolan and Melo can do an under table deal for him to retire a Knick, I really don't care at this point

Melo is flawed but if this happens, I would be all for it

Question is would willing be willing to waste next year and take a shot at Dolan screwing him of a guaranteed deal
If he straight up signs with either Sun's or Detroit which both have a decent amount of money (with Detroit, he might have to make slightly less than what he is getting now though)

Suns or Detroit, I think he can compete, the same year, and still be able to build in the near future
Sun's have much salary cap space, draft picks, and

Detroit
===========

Jennings
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Melo
Josh Smith
Drummond

Billups/Bynum

sign and trade Greg Monroe

Dragic
Bledsoe *if they move him or Dragic*
Melo/Green
Frye *player option*/Melo
Plumlee/Frye/Len

Archie Goodwin
They would also have to give up on the Morris brothers
MANY 1st round picks, some of which can be packaged for talented players

RonRon wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

I don't think it is impossible to build a contending team with Melo but he would have to NOT opt out this summer at least
Hopefully even take less for 1 year with a player option in 2015 summer do some wise recruiting and find a core to build WITH
And if Dolan and Melo can do an under table deal for him to retire a Knick, I really don't care at this point

Melo is flawed but if this happens, I would be all for it

Question is would willing be willing to waste next year and take a shot at Dolan screwing him of a guaranteed deal
If he straight up signs with either Sun's or Detroit which both have a decent amount of money (with Detroit, he might have to make slightly less than what he is getting now though)

Suns or Detroit, I think he can compete, the same year, and still be able to build in the near future
Sun's have much salary cap space, draft picks, and

Detroit
===========

Jennings
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Melo
Josh Smith
Drummond

Billups/Bynum

sign and trade Greg Monroe

Dragic
Bledsoe *if they move him or Dragic*
Melo/Green
Frye *player option*/Melo
Plumlee/Frye/Len

Archie Goodwin
They would also have to give up on the Morris brothers
MANY 1st round picks, some of which can be packaged for talented players

you have a keen basketball mind, ron so i will ask you to construct, step by step, how you build a contender WITH not AROUND him.

before you do so, i for one am not at all convinced that a two-way point guard with a forceful personality and who can dictate the action can succeed with this guy. who is this player anyway? remember a couple of years ago when mark jackson or some other tv guy said that with rondo it was about being able to say "no" to his teammates?

that said, billups was able to impose his will and say "no" and the nuggets had their best season with melo. i believe the plan was that nash would have a similar effect with the lakers and bryant but i don't think that worked out too well.

by the way, anthiny's salary that year with billups was 14.4 million and billups's was merely 11 million. squint your eyes a bit and you can easily see how a 12-13 million dollar salary for melo is not only more than fair-- it is absolutely necessary. dollars to donuts this nuance will go over the heads of most but there you go.

i like the idea of backloading. it has precedents. i think shaq did it, maybe duncan as well. but alas melo is not very bright-- in fact he comes across as stupid... as does his partner in crime dolan. can't ever leave dolan out, ron. what a scumbag.

melo has had success when he has been put in his place by nba finals mvp billups and while on the olympic team. everything else it has been failure because he thinks he is all that. fucking primadonna!

p.s. that detroit lineup is untenable.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

Any NY beat writer who references Carmelo Anthony's wife is a gossip columnist.

That is all.

dk7..Regarding Gallo asking to guard the best player..Silly if u think about it..He did it as a Knick but wasn't our best defender..The Mayor was a much better defender..If he asked to do it in Denver, Iggy was a much better defender, juvenile bravado if u ask me..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

bron has and does guard melo. you don't recall bron moving melo out of position and three-quartering him to prevent the entry pass in the playoffs? that sequence remains fresh in my mind. keep melo uncomfortable, he will lose what little poise he has, and become even less efficient. battier was a good harasser too although i think melo had an easier time with him, relatively speaking.

holfresh wrote:dk7..Regarding Gallo asking to guard the best player..Silly if u think about it..He did it as a Knick but wasn't our best defender..The Mayor was a much better defender..If he asked to do it in Denver, Iggy was a much better defender, juvenile bravado if u ask me..

don't know who the mayor is but if it is chandler then you are cementing the fact that you really don't know how to evaluate players.

i like iguodala and he is a better defender than chandler but perhaps only slightly better than gallinari. remember gallinari has length compared to iguodala.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

oh and this "keep him fresh for the entire game" thing-- utter foolishness and at the very least proof that he is overpaid because he is not a genuine two-way player.

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

gallo makes around 11 million a year.

melo makes twice that and next go-round more than twice that:
2010-11 New York Knicks NBA $17,149,243
2011-12 New York Knicks NBA $18,518,574
2012-13 New York Knicks NBA $19,450,000
2013-14 New York Knicks NBA $22,407,474

how much is melo worth in a new york uniform if the goal is a title with him? be the gm-- how much are you willing to compensate him fish?

dk7th - what does it matter what Carmelo is under contract for?

He is our best player in the worlds largest media market. Pay the man.

Find him a point guard and a 6'9 gazelle at the three.

misterearl wrote:dk7th - what does it matter what Carmelo is under contract for?

He is our best player in the worlds largest media market. Pay the man.

Find him a point guard and a 6'9 gazelle at the three.

you cannot be serious answerman.

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:dk7th - what does it matter what Carmelo is under contract for?

He is our best player in the worlds largest media market. Pay the man.

Find him a point guard and a 6'9 gazelle at the three.

you cannot be serious answerman.

Yeah, let's just be saints and give everyone max contracts if the salaries don't matter. It's not like Dolan need the money.

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

I'd much rather have an IR roster and a top lottery pick this year

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

oh and this "keep him fresh for the entire game" thing-- utter foolishness and at the very least proof that he is overpaid because he is not a genuine two-way player.

Bron doesn't guard Melo, so what's does that make him??.Paul George guards Melo and gets torched, so what the point??..Last player to do 27pts 9reb 3asst in a season is Shaq...

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.