Knicks · O.T Parson slams Harden, says team plays balanced when h's not playing. (page 1)
Hmmm didn't we have players saying this about Melo without saying it ?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/parsons-har...
Most guys in college had to play that way (moving the ball) unless you were "THAT GUY" yourself.
Lin and Harden need to study Clyde and Pearl
Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..
Great point Uptown !
But even Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?
Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they wouldn't be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?
And who might that be ?
playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
Yes, this is when Phil Jax came into Jordans life and was convincing that ball movement was the key. Jordan had to learn when to be the man and when not to. MVP's are go to guys but also have a history of facilitating.
This very thing was the maturation of Lebron. Having the wing men is a very important tool Jordan had pippen and a great roster around them. Lebron has done more with less on my opinion but Wade is no slouch!!! Neither is bosh.
If the rockets can figure how to maximize Lin, Harden and Parsons with the power of Dwight they could be formitable.
Barkley and ewing are HOF's but don't have rings..........
Ewing always thought he was the man!
Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?
Who are you talking about? Harden is shooting 44% from the field and 32% from 3, not exactly the apex of efficiency.
Melo is shooting 45% and 42% from 3.
gunsnewing wrote:Lin and Melo worked a lot better because they did not occupy the same backcourt.Lin and Harden need to study Clyde and Pearl
Pearl was at pretty near the tail end of his wrecked knees when he came to the Knicks, and Clyde was the main man here. Pearl had to subject his play to Clyde and the team that had already won a chip without him.
You actually see Harden doing a Pearl with Lin's Clyde given any amount of time to study?
playa2 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they wouldn't be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?And who might that be ?
James Harden. He's very efficient with 2s. It would have made more sense if Parsons said that James needs to work on his 3s.
Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What we're not addressing is the relationship between Melo and his fellow players. Watch carefully as most of the players defer to Melo, in many cases refusing to take the shot. Plenty of times I watch the ball move back and forth at the top of the key. These guys are not cutting to the rim, setting picks for other players or getting themselves free for open shots. No movement equals stagnation. I see Melo passing to STAT or back to Felton, who should be penetrating or looking for an open man. Maybe we can ask the coach to come up with a different play other than ISO Melo, or ISO JR.
Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they would be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
Who here had a complaint about Ewing? Were you not a Knick fan during the late 90's when tons of fans wanted to run Ewing out of town and play small ball with Spree and Houston? And yes people would still call Melo out if shot 50% unless he wins a ring. 50% shooting from Melo isn't nearly enough to lift this flawed roster to championship contention. He needs help and lots of it. Kobe Bryant never sniffed 50% shooting, but according to most, he's one of the greatest players of all time because he has championship rings.
Nothing to do with 50% fg, everything to do with Rings. And Melo ain't getting no rings when he never had a chance to team with a legit Hall of Fame candidates like Jordan has, like Kobe has, like Lebron has....etc. DISCLAIMER: I'm Not saying Melo is on the Same Level as the above mention names......just making a point about it taking a team to win it all....
Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they wouldn't be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?And who might that be ?
James Harden. He's very efficient with 2s. It would have made more sense if Parsons said that James needs to work on his 3s.
But he doesn't take only twos, does he?
Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Vmart wrote:playa2 wrote:Uptown wrote:Show me a player that averages more than 25pts per, I'll show you a ball stopper....Kobe is a ball stopper, Jordan was a ball stopper, Lebron holds the ball a lot, Barkley held the ball, Ewing...the list goes on....Remove Harden from the roster and they may be fun to watch during the reg season, but when they reach the second season (Playoffs), you need that so-called ball stopper to lift your team when the defense locks in and your sets isn't clicking on all cylinders. With out Harden, the Rockets are one and done, with him they can advance deep into the playoffs..Great point Uptown !
But Jordan allowed his teammates to build up their confidence by passing the rock in reg season , so if and when the 2nd season came they wouldn't be afraid to take the big shot ( Bill Wennington - PAXON)
No one is going to complain about efficient players like Jordan, LeBron and to some extent Durant its when inefficient players like Harden, and Melo take majority of the shots and hold the ball. Who here has a complaint about Barkley and Ewing they were efficient and shot a high percentage. No one complains when the shoot because they make shots. If Harden or Melo shot 50% you think anyone would call them out.
What about a guy who hits well over 50% of his 2s and about a third of his 3s?And who might that be ?
James Harden. He's very efficient with 2s. It would have made more sense if Parsons said that James needs to work on his 3s.
He also gets to the foul line at a ridiculous rate.