C Tyson Chandler
F Jeremy Tyler
F Carmelo Anthony
G JR Smith
G Ray Felton
C Kenyon Martin or Cole Aldrich
F Amare
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Toure Murry
Im taking out Shumpert and Pablo P.
Here is my take.
Im going to clog the lane with Tyson and Tyler on defense. On offense we are better off bigt this way than with bargs as I believe Tyler can give us 10-12 points and 8 rebounds in 30 minutes but shoot 55% doing it. He gets up and down the floor and can help Tyson with our D. Tyler can play on the baseline on offense--while Bargs was out on the perimeter. Tyler is active and his mobility will still give space to Carmelo
On the 2nd team same gig--I want a C in there --either kenyon or Aldrich with Amare and Hardaway as my main scorers(obviously you can mix and match with unit 1 as well) I want to go with Murry as I think pablo is just not enough--Beno doesnt want to play here so Murry needs to step up and show if he can do it for 15 minutes a night.
I'm with you all the way Briggs. They like to run a 2 og set. Smiths ball handling and ability to score fits that mold so why not play him with Felton? Is so silly to me that this is not our strategy.
Also Tyler brings what Bargs would bring except a more physical attacking style that can rebound the ball. Tyler can shoot the 15 ft jumper too. He's an above average finisher with the dunk or lay in. He's ready.
shumpert has no fit in my opinion. He doesn't fill any holes in the team concept and his defense is a myth. He's actually pretty horrible on defense aside from 1 or 2 highlight steals a game. Priggy is a 12th man. He's old yo.
Murry needs those understudy minutes. He's a better option on both sides of the ball with his length.
Thjr as the supersub for now.
Amare, kmart, cole being the pain off the bench!
I love it!
Melo has played so much better at PF though... I want to agree in principal. I'd keep playing Shump and am betting on him figuring it out
Definitely agree w/ shortening the rotation but Felton running the show just doesn't work for this team. I realize he cannot completely fall outta the rotation, but I'm starting Prigs over him all day.
sealy wrote:Definitely agree w/ shortening the rotation but Felton running the show just doesn't work for this team. I realize he cannot completely fall outta the rotation, but I'm starting Prigs over him all day.
I have to agree, Felton needs to be on a more defensive unit that can mask his deficiencies better.
SupremeCommander wrote:Melo has played so much better at PF though... I want to agree in principal. I'd keep playing Shump and am betting on him figuring it out
Yeah, Tyler doesn't need to be a starter. Give him 16 minutes at backup C and maybe a few at PF for now.
how about we trade Tyson and start Tyler at the 5 with Melo at the 4 - the go with Prigs & Felton at the 1 & 2 and figure out the 3 between JR (if his head is back screwed one), Shump and THjr.
Then Amar'e and Kenyon are your first big off the bench (whoever is healthy).
And hopefully you can pull in an asset for Tyson that bumps one of our weak links to the bench (PG?)
But heck - I'd give Briggs line up a shot (if I were a coach that wasn't stuck up like Woodson is).
I think trying to make this current team work is hard....For example.
Melo and JR do not compliment each other. Both hold the ball too long, and isolate others. They have been better, but when the team is pressed to score more points, the iso game will come out.
Melo's best position is PF. As he gets older, PF will become a standard position for him. He doesn't have to rely on his youth to blow by slower players. He doesn't have to guard quicker SF, especially against teams that go small.
I think Hardaway Jr should start over JR. I think JR is a better player when he's hungry, and playing off the bench makes him hungry since he wants to prove that he's a starter.
I think Felton is a better SG than PG....and Pablo is the best PG on the team. Both have their deficiencies and we do not have the coach or system to mask their weaknesses.
So this thread will grow, and grow and keep growing because our current roster has too many flaws. There is no perfect lineup with this group. Just have to understand who plays better at which position. And what combination of players play better together. This will change weekly, depending on the team we play and the injuries.
franco12 wrote:how about we trade Tyson and start Tyler at the 5 with Melo at the 4 - the go with Prigs & Felton at the 1 & 2 and figure out the 3 between JR (if his head is back screwed one), Shump and THjr.Then Amar'e and Kenyon are your first big off the bench (whoever is healthy).
And hopefully you can pull in an asset for Tyson that bumps one of our weak links to the bench (PG?)
But heck - I'd give Briggs line up a shot (if I were a coach that wasn't stuck up like Woodson is).
Most people may disagree, but I like the idea of trading Tyson. It's not the answer to all of our problems, but it might be the best short term and long-term strategy.
The Knicks don't run enough good plays or plays period to have that line-up. Iso Melo, will is the spacing? Double team comes, who cuts, whos open? If the knicks ran more of a Spurs offense then yes melo at 3 is killer but iso melo no-go with that lineup. And Im a believer of Melo its not his fault the play iso melo is called.
BRIGGS wrote:C Tyson Chandler
F Jeremy Tyler
F Carmelo Anthony
G JR Smith
G Ray FeltonC Kenyon Martin or Cole Aldrich
F Amare
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Toure Murry
Im taking out Shumpert and Pablo P.
Here is my take.
Im going to clog the lane with Tyson and Tyler on defense. On offense we are better off bigt this way than with bargs as I believe Tyler can give us 10-12 points and 8 rebounds in 30 minutes but shoot 55% doing it. He gets up and down the floor and can help Tyson with our D. Tyler can play on the baseline on offense--while Bargs was out on the perimeter. Tyler is active and his mobility will still give space to Carmelo
On the 2nd team same gig--I want a C in there --either kenyon or Aldrich with Amare and Hardaway as my main scorers(obviously you can mix and match with unit 1 as well) I want to go with Murry as I think pablo is just not enough--Beno doesnt want to play here so Murry needs to step up and show if he can do it for 15 minutes a night.
I like your lineups, but with three changes;
1) Ray Felon's defense is pitiful. He should be moved to the 2nd unit. He brings a change of pace and is less of a liability there.
2) Shumpert should be starting on opposing PGs. Providing pressure on the defense as well as rebounds. Any points are a plus.
3) JR should be bringing the ball up court, in conjunction with Melo, who usually is bringing the ball up anyway. His penetration skills are on pare with Felon's and he distribute and throws the lob pass well.
This starting lineup will add a little beef to our defense as well as our offense. We can ask this unit to play man-man defense and expect better results.
blkexec wrote:franco12 wrote:how about we trade Tyson and start Tyler at the 5 with Melo at the 4 - the go with Prigs & Felton at the 1 & 2 and figure out the 3 between JR (if his head is back screwed one), Shump and THjr.Then Amar'e and Kenyon are your first big off the bench (whoever is healthy).
And hopefully you can pull in an asset for Tyson that bumps one of our weak links to the bench (PG?)
But heck - I'd give Briggs line up a shot (if I were a coach that wasn't stuck up like Woodson is).
Most people may disagree, but I like the idea of trading Tyson. It's not the answer to all of our problems, but it might be the best short term and long-term strategy.
I love the idea of trading Chandler. The next double digit rebounding game he has, call those teams that were clamoring for him and see if we can get a young PG, and a pick for him. Time to take his show on the road. Flu season is right around the corner.
Sangfroid wrote:blkexec wrote:franco12 wrote:how about we trade Tyson and start Tyler at the 5 with Melo at the 4 - the go with Prigs & Felton at the 1 & 2 and figure out the 3 between JR (if his head is back screwed one), Shump and THjr.Then Amar'e and Kenyon are your first big off the bench (whoever is healthy).
And hopefully you can pull in an asset for Tyson that bumps one of our weak links to the bench (PG?)
But heck - I'd give Briggs line up a shot (if I were a coach that wasn't stuck up like Woodson is).
Most people may disagree, but I like the idea of trading Tyson. It's not the answer to all of our problems, but it might be the best short term and long-term strategy.
I love the idea of trading Chandler. The next double digit rebounding game he has, call those teams that were clamoring for him and see if we can get a young PG, and a pick for him. Time to take his show on the road. Flu season is right around the corner.
I don't think any team was clamoring for him, lets be honest - but I think there is a market for contending teams.
I think our FO would worry about the message it would send Melo if we dealt him.
I'd be hardpressed to take out Prigs. He seems to have taken a step back from last year, but more often than not, we look better as a unit with him on the court.
martin wrote:Sangfroid wrote:BRIGGS wrote:C Tyson Chandler
F Jeremy Tyler
F Carmelo Anthony
G JR Smith
G Ray FeltonC Kenyon Martin or Cole Aldrich
F Amare
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Toure Murry
Im taking out Shumpert and Pablo P.
Here is my take.
Im going to clog the lane with Tyson and Tyler on defense. On offense we are better off bigt this way than with bargs as I believe Tyler can give us 10-12 points and 8 rebounds in 30 minutes but shoot 55% doing it. He gets up and down the floor and can help Tyson with our D. Tyler can play on the baseline on offense--while Bargs was out on the perimeter. Tyler is active and his mobility will still give space to Carmelo
On the 2nd team same gig--I want a C in there --either kenyon or Aldrich with Amare and Hardaway as my main scorers(obviously you can mix and match with unit 1 as well) I want to go with Murry as I think pablo is just not enough--Beno doesnt want to play here so Murry needs to step up and show if he can do it for 15 minutes a night.
I like your lineups, but with three changes;
1) Ray Felon's defense is pitiful. He should be moved to the 2nd unit. He brings a change of pace and is less of a liability there.
2) Shumpert should be starting on opposing PGs. Providing pressure on the defense as well as rebounds. Any points are a plus.
3) JR should be bringing the ball up court, in conjunction with Melo, who usually is bringing the ball up anyway. His penetration skills are on pare with Felon's and he distribute and throws the lob pass well.
This starting lineup will add a little beef to our defense as well as our offense. We can ask this unit to play man-man defense and expect better results.
then who starts at PG?
JR brings the ball up and passes of to Melo. This is what happens now anyway. JR and Melo are our consistent penetrating players to the rim. They go all the way to the rim, or are able to throw the lob to the center, pass off to the PF for short jumper or Shumpert for his new and improved three pointer. We are also immediately stronger at the defensive end, with Shump locking down the PG and JR playing surprisingly, underrated defense too.
Sangfroid wrote:martin wrote:Sangfroid wrote:BRIGGS wrote:C Tyson Chandler
F Jeremy Tyler
F Carmelo Anthony
G JR Smith
G Ray FeltonC Kenyon Martin or Cole Aldrich
F Amare
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Toure Murry
Im taking out Shumpert and Pablo P.
Here is my take.
Im going to clog the lane with Tyson and Tyler on defense. On offense we are better off bigt this way than with bargs as I believe Tyler can give us 10-12 points and 8 rebounds in 30 minutes but shoot 55% doing it. He gets up and down the floor and can help Tyson with our D. Tyler can play on the baseline on offense--while Bargs was out on the perimeter. Tyler is active and his mobility will still give space to Carmelo
On the 2nd team same gig--I want a C in there --either kenyon or Aldrich with Amare and Hardaway as my main scorers(obviously you can mix and match with unit 1 as well) I want to go with Murry as I think pablo is just not enough--Beno doesnt want to play here so Murry needs to step up and show if he can do it for 15 minutes a night.
I like your lineups, but with three changes;
1) Ray Felon's defense is pitiful. He should be moved to the 2nd unit. He brings a change of pace and is less of a liability there.
2) Shumpert should be starting on opposing PGs. Providing pressure on the defense as well as rebounds. Any points are a plus.
3) JR should be bringing the ball up court, in conjunction with Melo, who usually is bringing the ball up anyway. His penetration skills are on pare with Felon's and he distribute and throws the lob pass well.
This starting lineup will add a little beef to our defense as well as our offense. We can ask this unit to play man-man defense and expect better results.
then who starts at PG?
JR brings the ball up and passes of to Melo. This is what happens now anyway. JR and Melo are our consistent penetrating players to the rim. They go all the way to the rim, or are able to throw the lob to the center, pass off to the PF for short jumper or Shumpert for his new and improved three pointer. We are also immediately stronger at the defensive end, with Shump locking down the PG and JR playing surprisingly, underrated defense too.
This is a bad idea. Felton is our best PG, we have to run with him until we upgrade.
