Knicks · Tell me how you really feel.. (page 1)

..about Fatton.

NSFW. Use headphones when watching at work.

lmao, this is some of the funniest shit i have heard. fat boy felton suckssssssssssssssss

Didn't I say this last year? We played better with 2 PG's for a reason, while it was an extra 2 spots that we would not be able to defend

It was why he was unable to find suitors and seemed like a deal at the time

That is why many players get short term deals now, even non guaranteed deals, Sessions entire career was like that

Even said many teams have 2-3 PG's better than our starting PG

And that is why many didn't want Felton because many knew he was on his decline

when physical abilities decline the lack of skills/IQ/DEF reveals itself with a multiple greater affect/effect

"Pitbull"

being tough, strong, doesn't make you a good defender,

Physical abilities can only take players so far and that is why many players once they hit their 30s, their lack of other abilities and decline has a greater effect

much like Tmac, Marbary, Francis, and many players that decline around 32, some of which you won't even see coming like how Gereld Wallace declined

What if Melo loses his physical abilities? How much would it affect his game?

I think I could run a mile 2 minutes faster than him

Wow I had no idea he got beat THAT badly on the backdoor cut at the end of the game until I watched it again. Holy shit Fatty.

This has to be the most racist shet I've heard in my life.

The funniest part about this is that as bad as this dude talks about Felton, he is light years behind Felton. Felton would run circles around this racist duch bag....

Felton needs to take some heat for his performance, but he is ours for a couple more years. Hopefully, he sees this as a wake-up call. In my mind, 'warriors' don't let themselves go and give up on plays. That's what normal dopes like me do -- which is fine if he wants to watch games on the couch like me.

To his defense, he is a bit of PnR PG and has been without good PnR partners for the majority of the season. In my head when we traded for him, he was going to be a 2nd PG behind Lin running a fantastic 2nd unit with Amare. That didn't work. [Disclaimer: I agree with the move not re-signing Lin -- it would have been a lose-lose situation unless Lin became the new Michael Jordan]. This is not making an excuse for his poor defense, but it may explain the lack of focus. But for $4MM per, he should figure it out.

All in all, I am prepared for a re-build. It will be hard to stomach Brooklyn's success if we are in re-build mode while they are in decrepit veteran last chance for a title mode. But, it cannot be worse than the Howard Eisley era. Or the Chris Duhon era. Or the Felton era. We've seen Jason Kidd's Nets outperform us before.

This time, we can do it right. There is never a wrong time to change directions of a team that is headed the wrong way. Its like getting off at the wrong exit on the highway and deciding to keep going rather than turning around. Dumb luck might put you where you intended to go, but most often you are just getting further from your intended destination.

I can't take back the bad moves we've made and the draft picks we have given away. I can focus on the positive value we have gotten from the players we have drafted (even with subpar picks). In my mind, our scouting department is out performing their position, but we keep taking the ball out of their hands. This NBA is as much an economic game as on the court performance and we need to get both sides in tune with each other.

EwingsGlass wrote:Felton needs to take some heat for his performance, but he is ours for a couple more years. Hopefully, he sees this as a wake-up call. In my mind, 'warriors' don't let themselves go and give up on plays. That's what normal dopes like me do -- which is fine if he wants to watch games on the couch like me.

To his defense, he is a bit of PnR PG and has been without good PnR partners for the majority of the season. In my head when we traded for him, he was going to be a 2nd PG behind Lin running a fantastic 2nd unit with Amare. That didn't work. [Disclaimer: I agree with the move not re-signing Lin -- it would have been a lose-lose situation unless Lin became the new Michael Jordan]. This is not making an excuse for his poor defense, but it may explain the lack of focus. But for $4MM per, he should figure it out.

All in all, I am prepared for a re-build. It will be hard to stomach Brooklyn's success if we are in re-build mode while they are in decrepit veteran last chance for a title mode. But, it cannot be worse than the Howard Eisley era. Or the Chris Duhon era. Or the Felton era. We've seen Jason Kidd's Nets outperform us before.

This time, we can do it right. There is never a wrong time to change directions of a team that is headed the wrong way. Its like getting off at the wrong exit on the highway and deciding to keep going rather than turning around. Dumb luck might put you where you intended to go, but most often you are just getting further from your intended destination.

I can't take back the bad moves we've made and the draft picks we have given away. I can focus on the positive value we have gotten from the players we have drafted (even with subpar picks). In my mind, our scouting department is out performing their position, but we keep taking the ball out of their hands. This NBA is as much an economic game as on the court performance and we need to get both sides in tune with each other.

I REALLY don't get that.. why would he have to be the new MJ to jusfity his deal? I think the focus is too much on the one poison pill year, but when you average it out, it still is the same money, roughly 8 mil a year.. It seems no one had a problem paying bargnani 13 mil a year.. just odd if you as me...

Felt uncomfortable listening to that- there's lot's to criticise about Felton without crossing a line. I don't know, it just sounded a bit nasty and hateful- wouldn't want to hang out with the guy doing the commentary.

EwingsGlass wrote:
This time, we can do it right. There is never a wrong time to change directions of a team that is headed the wrong way. Its like getting off at the wrong exit on the highway and deciding to keep going rather than turning around. Dumb luck might put you where you intended to go, but most often you are just getting further from your intended destination.

I can't take back the bad moves we've made and the draft picks we have given away. I can focus on the positive value we have gotten from the players we have drafted (even with subpar picks). In my mind, our scouting department is out performing their position, but we keep taking the ball out of their hands. This NBA is as much an economic game as on the court performance and we need to get both sides in tune with each other.

I think we've seen enough. If the only reason to keep this group together is to hope for a first round exit, then the direction for this team is lost. If our star player looks to hold us up for a king's ransom, he has to go. We need assets to move forward. It would be nice to start during this off-season, but if necessary we will look to pick up major assets during '15. Let's start to make the small to medium size moves that are available to us now, so that when the big dollars become available in '15, we will be ready.

tkf wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Felton needs to take some heat for his performance, but he is ours for a couple more years. Hopefully, he sees this as a wake-up call. In my mind, 'warriors' don't let themselves go and give up on plays. That's what normal dopes like me do -- which is fine if he wants to watch games on the couch like me.

To his defense, he is a bit of PnR PG and has been without good PnR partners for the majority of the season. In my head when we traded for him, he was going to be a 2nd PG behind Lin running a fantastic 2nd unit with Amare. That didn't work. [Disclaimer: I agree with the move not re-signing Lin -- it would have been a lose-lose situation unless Lin became the new Michael Jordan]. This is not making an excuse for his poor defense, but it may explain the lack of focus. But for $4MM per, he should figure it out.

All in all, I am prepared for a re-build. It will be hard to stomach Brooklyn's success if we are in re-build mode while they are in decrepit veteran last chance for a title mode. But, it cannot be worse than the Howard Eisley era. Or the Chris Duhon era. Or the Felton era. We've seen Jason Kidd's Nets outperform us before.

This time, we can do it right. There is never a wrong time to change directions of a team that is headed the wrong way. Its like getting off at the wrong exit on the highway and deciding to keep going rather than turning around. Dumb luck might put you where you intended to go, but most often you are just getting further from your intended destination.

I can't take back the bad moves we've made and the draft picks we have given away. I can focus on the positive value we have gotten from the players we have drafted (even with subpar picks). In my mind, our scouting department is out performing their position, but we keep taking the ball out of their hands. This NBA is as much an economic game as on the court performance and we need to get both sides in tune with each other.

I REALLY don't get that.. why would he have to be the new MJ to jusfity his deal? I think the focus is too much on the one poison pill year, but when you average it out, it still is the same money, roughly 8 mil a year.. It seems no one had a problem paying bargnani 13 mil a year.. just odd if you as me...

My intent is not to turn this into a Lin thread. My sole point is that I can recall the multitude of overpaid players in NY and recognize that it is near impossible to justify salary unless they truly outperform their contract. To be clear, Lin got a max contract -- the max he could receive. The poison pill is only relevant in terms of trade. The actual dollars still exist in that final year and count against the hard cap. If Lin performs as a max-contract player, we would have dealt with it. But, anything less would result in his decimation as one of the multitude of overpaid NY Knick athletes. Think Allan Houston.

BTW, why do you assume that no one has a problem paying Bargnani 13MM per?

EwingsGlass wrote:

tkf wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Felton needs to take some heat for his performance, but he is ours for a couple more years. Hopefully, he sees this as a wake-up call. In my mind, 'warriors' don't let themselves go and give up on plays. That's what normal dopes like me do -- which is fine if he wants to watch games on the couch like me.

To his defense, he is a bit of PnR PG and has been without good PnR partners for the majority of the season. In my head when we traded for him, he was going to be a 2nd PG behind Lin running a fantastic 2nd unit with Amare. That didn't work. [Disclaimer: I agree with the move not re-signing Lin -- it would have been a lose-lose situation unless Lin became the new Michael Jordan]. This is not making an excuse for his poor defense, but it may explain the lack of focus. But for $4MM per, he should figure it out.

All in all, I am prepared for a re-build. It will be hard to stomach Brooklyn's success if we are in re-build mode while they are in decrepit veteran last chance for a title mode. But, it cannot be worse than the Howard Eisley era. Or the Chris Duhon era. Or the Felton era. We've seen Jason Kidd's Nets outperform us before.

This time, we can do it right. There is never a wrong time to change directions of a team that is headed the wrong way. Its like getting off at the wrong exit on the highway and deciding to keep going rather than turning around. Dumb luck might put you where you intended to go, but most often you are just getting further from your intended destination.

I can't take back the bad moves we've made and the draft picks we have given away. I can focus on the positive value we have gotten from the players we have drafted (even with subpar picks). In my mind, our scouting department is out performing their position, but we keep taking the ball out of their hands. This NBA is as much an economic game as on the court performance and we need to get both sides in tune with each other.

I REALLY don't get that.. why would he have to be the new MJ to jusfity his deal? I think the focus is too much on the one poison pill year, but when you average it out, it still is the same money, roughly 8 mil a year.. It seems no one had a problem paying bargnani 13 mil a year.. just odd if you as me...

My intent is not to turn this into a Lin thread. My sole point is that I can recall the multitude of overpaid players in NY and recognize that it is near impossible to justify salary unless they truly outperform their contract. To be clear, Lin got a max contract -- the max he could receive. The poison pill is only relevant in terms of trade. The actual dollars still exist in that final year and count against the hard cap. If Lin performs as a max-contract player, we would have dealt with it. But, anything less would result in his decimation as one of the multitude of overpaid NY Knick athletes. Think Allan Houston.

BTW, why do you assume that no one has a problem paying Bargnani 13MM per?

I think it was the way Lin/his manager played out the contract negotiation. After we matched, they took the contract BACK to Houston to insert the poison pill. I can't think of any other contract that went like that. It gives the impression that you really don't want to be here or that you're holding the team over a barrel.

Bargs was different as he offered a way out of the Camby debacle AND the ineffective Novak. We clamor for a change of scenery to get a player going. The Bargs trade has not been a bust, and I have seen him adjusting to being here. He does have talent and once he is used properly, with good PG play, he will pay off.

^ Dude. We never matched.

NYKBocker wrote:^ Dude. We never matched.

So play it out for me: Lin brought the first offer from Houston. Something had to happen for him to go back to Houston to get that offer re-worked.

Sangfroid wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:^ Dude. We never matched.

So play it out for me: Lin brought the first offer from Houston. Something had to happen for him to go back to Houston to get that offer re-worked.

Morey had the initial contract. Lin's agent informed Knick brass about it. Woody was quoted with the now famous "We will match up to a billion dollars". Morey never submits the first contract hence was never offered. Morey submits new contract with the poison pill along with Asik contract. By the NBA rules, Lin and Asik had to sign the contracts so that their respective teams can match. Both teams did not match. Dolan now claims fiscal responsibility.

Reminder. The poison pill does not affect the Knicks in signing any more free agents since we were already over the cap by a LOT.

Thank you. Still, I see the deceptiveness of the situation and understand the reaction by Dolan. Who knows, I guess he felt he could get by with Felon, Kidd and Prigs. It worked the first season. Too bad no upgrade was addressed for 2014. Which brings us to our current dilemma.

blkexec wrote:This has to be the most racist shet I've heard in my life.

The funniest part about this is that as bad as this dude talks about Felton, he is light years behind Felton. Felton would run circles around this racist duch bag....

what the hell are you talking about... he's calling it like it is. what does felton running circles around this person have anything to do with everyone else in the league is running circles around felton?

blkexec wrote:This has to be the most racist shet I've heard in my life.

The funniest part about this is that as bad as this dude talks about Felton, he is light years behind Felton. Felton would run circles around this racist duch bag....

I don't see how its racist, but yes the guy seems like an angry, unhappy person.

Cartman718 wrote:

blkexec wrote:This has to be the most racist shet I've heard in my life.

The funniest part about this is that as bad as this dude talks about Felton, he is light years behind Felton. Felton would run circles around this racist duch bag....

what the hell are you talking about... he's calling it like it is. what does felton running circles around this person have anything to do with everyone else in the league is running circles around felton?

Nothing, its a strawman argument that people use to defend incompetent players. How on earth is it relevant to compare a professional athlete to someone outside his field to justify his skill level? As in any field, professionals are compared against their PEERS, who in this instance, utterly outclass Raymond.

blkexec wrote:This has to be the most racist shet I've heard in my life.

The funniest part about this is that as bad as this dude talks about Felton, he is light years behind Felton. Felton would run circles around this racist duch bag....

Racist how? You don't even know the race of the commentator (there are Black people in Australia). And yeah, I'd imagine Felton could beat this guy one-on-one....he's suppose to be a professional afterall.

the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!