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What if Melo announces during the All-Star break that he wants to win in New York and says money just doesnt matter to him at this point and he'll sign for a $1.00 per game if it will help the team sign the players they need to compete for a chip. He then signs some ridiculously below market deal and then promptly turns around and blows out his knee in the last game of the season. Do you think the media or even this fan base will say anything other than "What an idiot he was for not availing himself of the market when he had the opportunity?" or "How selfish he was for not providing for his family knowing that he doesn't have a career arc that goes beyond 7-8 years?"

"im glad we didnt sign him to a max deal"

thats the one i think most would say in this scenario. i cant see anyone thinking he got short changed given the contracts he has already had.

He already has generational money.

I don't know if people really hate Melo, I think they hate what Dolan did to get him knowing he isn't an all around NBA BASKETBALL PLAYER, JUST AN ELITE SCORER. If we had two-way players around him like the Bulls we would have been ok, but we don't.

This is why fans don't want him to sign in NY for max money for the sake of the team.

It's all about restructuring the team to win big in the eastern conference.

Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

I haven't seen you post here in like a month...has this been on your mind the whole time?

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a pay it to help the company??

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

ActionJackson wrote:What if Melo announces during the All-Star break that he wants to win in New York and says money just doesnt matter to him at this point and he'll sign for a $1.00 per game if it will help the team sign the players they need to compete for a chip. He then signs some ridiculously below market deal and then promptly turns around and blows out his knee in the last game of the season. Do you think the media or even this fan base will say anything other than "What an idiot he was for not availing himself of the market when he had the opportunity?" or "How selfish he was for not providing for his family knowing that he doesn't have a career arc that goes beyond 7-8 years?"

What is ridiculously below market deal?

I feel like the economics of the NBA have gotten all out of whack.

I mean... I feel like we should be getting paid to watch these games.

And I want more than a dollar.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

If doing so would help me achieve something that mattered more to me than money did, obviously I would.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

If doing so would help me achieve something that mattered more to me than money did, obviously I would.

Papabear Says

Then what happens if management comes to you and say look things didn't work out the way we thought and we will have to let you go. Oh we know you were a loyal employee but the company comes first. Good-by - sorry - get going- sorry you took less money.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

Its not close to teh same thing. We all make a fraction of what Melo has. melo could probably swim in 100 dollar bills we cant

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

Not completely true. Lebron probably would have made far more money here in NYC, with taxes and no championship. He is huge now, but in NYC, he would have been Ginormous!

But going back to your original point about 50% of the players being broke - none of them have made money like Melo. He isn't in the 50% crowd - he's in the upper elite of earners. And if he blows all his wealth and goes broke, then he is a fool. Eddy Curry - fool. Melo? I suspect he is well prepared for life after the NBA. Maybe he doesn't have enough money for a BBJ or Airbus- big, private version of 737 or Airbus A320 - but I'm sure he can own or lease a G5 or G6 without too much worry.

$82.00 contract...seems legit

no one is asking Melo to make the vet min at 1-2m range or 1$ a game, as a fan, we are asking for him NOT to opt out his deal this summer, and to recruit in 2015, where he could recruit LEGIT ALL STARS to play with him, building a contender with a core of talent, and then have a EARLY player option for 2016, where he can opt out then get compensated afterwords

So basically to stick it out with NYK, while he continues to be the face of the franchise, for 2015 anything from 15m to as low as 10m, for 1 year *WITH PLAYER OPTIONs*, while we would still have his bird rights

Follow the path that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took, however, with Dolan he can compensate him with other off the court opportunities with endorsements, business opportunities, and even partnerships for life AFTER NBA with Dolan
A NBA contract is only one way, Melo makes his $$$, Dolan has the power, networks, and power to compensate him

If Melo is willing to go this route, he can recruit talents such as Kevin Love, and/or players like Dragic/Lin, and another talent such as Rudy Gay, with possibly still room to add some contracts in the 2-3m range (1 with the room exemption, one with cap room both in 2015 summer) and in 2016 we would still have the 5M MLE to use on one or 2 players

Sacrifice is needed, both on and off the court, especially if he wants to win in NYK *because of all the moves we have made since acquiring him after trades after*, is it worth the risk?
Well, everything is magnified in NYK and that is true for both winning and losing
Not only does he make amends for NYK trading half a roster for him with multiple picks/assets when it wasn't even needed, especially when that extra year was only for him to opt out
Had he signed with NYK in the off season earlier, we would have all those assets to work with in future trades and/or development *for CP3, Harden, or D12*, save the amnesty provision, and he would make for his legacy of being "selfish"

Dolan has done everything he can to help promote Melo's growth both on and off the court

If Melo doesn't take his ability to OPT out this summer "we give him the opportunity to leave for NOTHING and that he likely would"
For the best interest of the franchise, it would be best to trade him for some draft picks, in addition to clearing salary for 2015
Do not give leverage for Melo to even possibly screw this franchise again, if he refuses, we must do what is best for the franchise/business

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

If doing so would help me achieve something that mattered more to me than money did, obviously I would.

Papabear Says

Then what happens if management comes to you and say look things didn't work out the way we thought and we will have to let you go. Oh we know you were a loyal employee but the company comes first. Good-by - sorry - get going- sorry you took less money.

A) You'd have to go to a well-run organization with a history of treating people fairly - an organization that doesn't want to turn off future free agents.
B) That's still a risk you take. If the ring just isn't that important, then there's no point in taking that risk.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

Would be interested to know what his business is that places earnings secondary to employee mentoring.