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How come no one is putting pressure on Amare to opt out this year for the "good of the team"..According to ESPN, this is an option year for Amare..Melo gets blamed for forcing his way here for max money..Donnie didn't have the foresight to ask Amare to take less...How about Amare doing us a solid and opt out this year or we can restructure his deal where he gets the MLE...We should have done a Tyson Chandler salary dump before the deadline...I think this is an option year for Bargs as well...Media and fans are all over the one guy who brings it every night..How about getting on the guy who hasn't brought it in about 3 years????...How about pressuring Amare to opt out???

holfresh wrote:
How come no one is putting pressure on Amare to opt out this year for the "good of the team"..According to ESPN, this is an option year for Amare..Melo gets blamed for forcing his way here for max money..Donnie didn't have the foresight to ask Amare to take less...How about Amare doing us a solid and opt out this year or we can restructure his deal where he gets the MLE...We should have done a Tyson Chandler salary dump before the deadline...I think this is an option year for Bargs as well...Media and fans are all over the one guy who brings it every night..How about getting on the guy who hasn't brought it in about 3 years????...How about pressuring Amare to opt out???

If I thought it would work I would. Like I said in yesterdays game thread I think Amare is one of the biggest cancers on the team. He is a nice guy but when he does not get what he believes he deserves he turns into a cancer. His contract is just another form of cancer he gave this team.

I ask the same question but it doesn't matter because Amar'e is not going to do that. Plus Amar'e is a nice guy. He doesn't smile on the court like that other guy.

holfresh wrote:
How come no one is putting pressure on Amare to opt out this year for the "good of the team"..According to ESPN, this is an option year for Amare..Melo gets blamed for forcing his way here for max money..Donnie didn't have the foresight to ask Amare to take less...How about Amare doing us a solid and opt out this year or we can restructure his deal where he gets the MLE...We should have done a Tyson Chandler salary dump before the deadline...I think this is an option year for Bargs as well...Media and fans are all over the one guy who brings it every night..How about getting on the guy who hasn't brought it in about 3 years????...How about pressuring Amare to opt out???

Take less? He came here because we paid him more.

Get real, we are fans by choice, players are employees and not emotionally tied to the city, or to its fans.
Do us a "solid"? We'd cut him if we could. Its business and Amare has a contract. He is not taking a pay cut!

MEdia and fans giving him or anyone pressure is not relevant other than we think it matters.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:
How come no one is putting pressure on Amare to opt out this year for the "good of the team"..According to ESPN, this is an option year for Amare..Melo gets blamed for forcing his way here for max money..Donnie didn't have the foresight to ask Amare to take less...How about Amare doing us a solid and opt out this year or we can restructure his deal where he gets the MLE...We should have done a Tyson Chandler salary dump before the deadline...I think this is an option year for Bargs as well...Media and fans are all over the one guy who brings it every night..How about getting on the guy who hasn't brought it in about 3 years????...How about pressuring Amare to opt out???

Take less? He came here because we paid him more.

Get real, we are fans by choice, players are employees and not emotionally tied to the city, or to its fans.
Do us a "solid"? We'd cut him if we could. Its business and Amare has a contract. He is not taking a pay cut!

MEdia and fans giving him or anyone pressure is not relevant other than we think it matters.

The pressure of taking less to "win" has made Melo say he will take less...

holfresh wrote:
How come no one is putting pressure on Amare to opt out this year for the "good of the team"..According to ESPN, this is an option year for Amare..Melo gets blamed for forcing his way here for max money..Donnie didn't have the foresight to ask Amare to take less...How about Amare doing us a solid and opt out this year or we can restructure his deal where he gets the MLE...We should have done a Tyson Chandler salary dump before the deadline...I think this is an option year for Bargs as well...Media and fans are all over the one guy who brings it every night..How about getting on the guy who hasn't brought it in about 3 years????...How about pressuring Amare to opt out???

Its a valid if you are going to criticize guys for using option years that they negotiated as a part of their employment. One guy is saying he is taking less and is getting killed for it. The other guy feels 'phenomenal' but can't play because of injuries etc. How about doing a phenomenal thing and take less to help the team.

Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

Knicks were the only ones that wanted Amare also.

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

We would need a nimble front office for that to happen...The players union would also have a say so even if Amare considered it...But that said, we should have done a Chandler salary dump before the deadline...Lowry would be the target for 2014...

I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Excellent points. I agree.

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

We would need a nimble front office for that to happen...The players union would also have a say so even if Amare considered it...But that said, we should have done a Chandler salary dump before the deadline...Lowry would be the target for 2014...

Lowry would only marginally improve this team; he wouldn't make us title contenders.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages...

Here's our salary situation.

We have $90M committed for next season and the cap will be a little over $58M; please explain how dumping Tyson's contract, and apparently not taking any salary back, and Amare opting out, and then us resigning him with an MLE sized contract, creates enough room to sign Lowry.

Ha, no one is going to buckle to people on the internet 'pressuring' them to give up $23mil. Doesn't even get us under the cap so you can't even claim its for the good of the team! Essentially fans would be saying "hey, Amar'e can you give up $23 million because your presence on this team annoys me.". Good luck with that!

Besides which we're saving his contract so we can trade it for two terrible contracts next year- probably Jennings and Josh Smith!

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

We would need a nimble front office for that to happen...The players union would also have a say so even if Amare considered it...But that said, we should have done a Chandler salary dump before the deadline...Lowry would be the target for 2014...

Lowry would only marginally improve this team; he wouldn't make us title contenders.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages...

Here's our salary situation.

We have $90M committed for next season and the cap will be a little over $58M; please explain how dumping Tyson's contract, and apparently not taking any salary back, and Amare opting out, and then us resigning him with an MLE sized contract, creates enough room to sign Lowry.

Lowry and Melo would be a foundation going into 2015...Bargs and Amare opting out, Chandler salary dump for an expiring gets us there...I'm talking long shot here but don't act like it would have been impossible if players wanted to work out a deal...

We took an uninsured chance with Stat, thinking he and will thrive in NY, that plan failed, bandied was Melo, Melo was never the plan, Melo & Stat dont mix and match, add to it stat injuries, and what do you get? mayhem, everything we did after Melo trade was horrible, amnesty chauncey(clearly Melo best year in Denver was with chauncey - uninjured), signing Tyson(as this move will fix defense problem and boards), Woody as head coach - huge mistake, brought as defense coordinator(didn't do shit), nice success as interim coach, why give him head coach?? he is clearly not a good coach, playoffs or regular season, you can ask Atlanta & now you can ask us.

and the errors just kept coming:
JR multi contract
bargs
standing pat right now for 2015(half the league are clearing space, you really think the big stars will wanna play under Dolan, Mills?)

Stat is the symbol of what went wrong since 2010. untie/expire/trade his contract, that what we needed to do, after Donnie was fired, and then Gruny was fired, and now Mills not doing anything with our 'great' roster.

PROJECT MAYHEM

I'm still confused by the overwhelming love some have for Amare. Where would then Knicks be without him??

Probably in a much better position. He had not good season, got hurt dunking in warmups, punched a fire extinguisher and is the most over paid player in the league.

Houston had a few assets and somehow were able to turn those into harden and Howard. The Knicks are an absolute embarrassment. They have no future. None. We watched Isiah flush this team down the toilet only to watch a rebuilding project that resulted in two #8 seeds and 1 playoff win. Somehow we are in the same position we were before rebuilding, but with worse players with worse attitudes. Nothing worse than mediocre ball players that think they are owed something.

Wizards have two potential all stars for 10 years with ability to bring in a free agent, the sixers somehow now have two building blocks, cap space multiple lottery picks and a much brighter future. The bulls lose their franchise player and still outcompete this team nightly.

We are one of the worst teams in the entire league and we have to hear about 2015. Why bother? Our owner is a fucking braindead child that fired a competent GM to bring in someone to suck Melos ass.

Steve Mills, Isiah Thomas, Scott Layden?? How many coaches have passed through here. Zero stability, no credibility.

You're going to sit a free agent down here with Mills, Allan Houston and Dolan and sell a vision? Rebuild for three years to win one playoff series only to rebuild again. The east sucks and we barely made the playoffs and are about to miss it again.

No one is coming here. Rondo will be a rocket, love will be a laker, Aldridge will be on a western conference team.

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Revitalize? He's played half a season well! That's nonsense talk.

Melo wants to opt out to max his money. Amare knows this is his last max deal. Why would he opt out?

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, fucking stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

We would need a nimble front office for that to happen...The players union would also have a say so even if Amare considered it...But that said, we should have done a Chandler salary dump before the deadline...Lowry would be the target for 2014...

Lowry would only marginally improve this team; he wouldn't make us title contenders.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages...

Here's our salary situation.

We have $90M committed for next season and the cap will be a little over $58M; please explain how dumping Tyson's contract, and apparently not taking any salary back, and Amare opting out, and then us resigning him with an MLE sized contract, creates enough room to sign Lowry.

Actually, his defense alone would improve the team. Throw in his offense and ability to shoot the three and that's a huge impact.

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Revitalize? He's played half a season well! That's nonsense talk.

regardless if he only played one game, he got some decent players to sign/wanna come here.

We drafted Ewing( a hall of famer) and went to the finals twice in 15 yrs..cavs had LBJ and Now kyrie, where's the championship banner.

The bottom line, we had a plan and deviated from that...from hiring a coach who's roster doesn't suit his style of coaching (MDA & Woodson) to bringing in lame ass pg after lame ass pg that either break down, have a low IQ, or can't shoot.

So when you sit there and blame amare because he makes 22 million, think about the players that you put around him that don't complement him.. Yeah he's been hurt, but so has majority of the stars in the league as well( westbrook, rose, rondo, wade, ganger, kyrie,love, deron williams) to name a few.

Aside from Melo, KD, and LBJ, most of these players get hurt on a regular, it is what it is. Thats why championships are not just about compiling talent, luck plays a role.

I'm a die hard GB packer fan, Rodgers goes down and so did how championship hopes for 2013/14.

Mills can make a block buster trade and bring in a solid cast of players, 1 or 2 injuries can derail everything, and thats the way sports goes.

The yankees were a prime example last season, and while it's good to have a deep roster, you just can't play more then 9 guys consistently, mean while 4 worthy players are sitting on the bench bitching and moaning about PT, becoming distractions, demanding trades, and just fcking up chemistry.

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Revitalize? He's played half a season well! That's nonsense talk.

regardless if he only played one game, he got some decent players to sign/wanna come here.

We drafted Ewing( a hall of famer) and went to the finals twice in 15 yrs..cavs had LBJ and Now kyrie, where's the championship banner.

The bottom line, we had a plan and deviated from that...from hiring a coach who's roster doesn't suit his style of coaching (MDA & Woodson) to bringing in lame ass pg after lame ass pg that either break down, have a low IQ, or can't shoot.

So when you sit there and blame amare because he makes 22 million, think about the players that you put around him that don't complement him.. Yeah he's been hurt, but so has majority of the stars in the league as well( westbrook, rose, rondo, wade, ganger, kyrie,love, deron williams) to name a few.

Aside from Melo, KD, and LBJ, most of these players get hurt on a regular, it is what it is. Thats why championships are not just about compiling talent, luck plays a role.

I'm a die hard GB packer fan, Rodgers goes down and so did how championship hopes for 2013/14.

Mills can make a block buster trade and bring in a solid cast of players, 1 or 2 injuries can derail everything, and thats the way sports goes.

The yankees were a prime example last season, and while it's good to have a deep roster, you just can't play more then 9 guys consistently, mean while 4 worthy players are sitting on the bench bitching and moaning about PT, becoming distractions, demanding trades, and just fcking up chemistry.

You can't find players that complement a player that doesn't play. I guess we just see things differently because I'm of the opinion that amar'e has done sh*t for this franchise and it's a joke to even think to compare his Knicks career to Ewing's.