4th Qtr 3:54
NYK 97 GSW 117
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Man if Walsh hired Mjax this franchise would be totally different.
It depends on whether or not we'd work with him afterwards. I don't Woodson and D'antoni but this franchise has a bad habit of not working with it's coaches. Woodson needs his vets and D'antoni needed his PG for his system and we got them their guys for like 1 season (in d'antoni's case like half a season).
I think they go center in the gallo draft, point in the hill draft and then are set for 10 years at center, point, power forward if they keep lee, small forward with chandler, and they still have cap space and the pick Walsh traded with hill for mc Grady. That is an attractive team for a free agent to consider.
Well the thing is that no matter who was coaching at the time we were still going all in on trying to get Lebron. Some of those trades still may have happened regardless. We definitely don't draft gallinari with D'anotni not here though.
Also, Walsh totally backed dantoni. If he supports mark like that then he would have success.
Mark would NEVER have lasted those 1st 2 years. Lets not forget that. Mark had a much easier road with the GS. Less expectations and better core talent. Could you imagine Mark coaching Duhon? The real issue wasn't Walsh wanting MDA. It was the dumb decisions to not give MDA a PG to work with knowing his system required at the very least a decent PG. Any time we got decent PG play the Knicks played much better, but honestly there was very little time during MDA's tenure that we had a good PG, much less started a season with one. Dude never had a chance to start a season with a good PG in training camp and finish the season with that PG.
I disagree. I also thought mark might be able to get something out of Marbury. I also think mark has a more traditional approach to basketball and would have wanted a center in one of the best center drafts ever. I think mark would have liked Wilson at the three and gotten Walsh to go big. And yeah I think things would be different.
this is one of your more farfetched fantasies. d'antoni never had a top flight point guard to work with that is a fact.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Man if Walsh hired Mjax this franchise would be totally different.
It depends on whether or not we'd work with him afterwards. I don't Woodson and D'antoni but this franchise has a bad habit of not working with it's coaches. Woodson needs his vets and D'antoni needed his PG for his system and we got them their guys for like 1 season (in d'antoni's case like half a season).
I think they go center in the gallo draft, point in the hill draft and then are set for 10 years at center, point, power forward if they keep lee, small forward with chandler, and they still have cap space and the pick Walsh traded with hill for mc Grady. That is an attractive team for a free agent to consider.
Well the thing is that no matter who was coaching at the time we were still going all in on trying to get Lebron. Some of those trades still may have happened regardless. We definitely don't draft gallinari with D'anotni not here though.
Also, Walsh totally backed dantoni. If he supports mark like that then he would have success.
Mark would NEVER have lasted those 1st 2 years. Lets not forget that. Mark had a much easier road with the GS. Less expectations and better core talent. Could you imagine Mark coaching Duhon? The real issue wasn't Walsh wanting MDA. It was the dumb decisions to not give MDA a PG to work with knowing his system required at the very least a decent PG. Any time we got decent PG play the Knicks played much better, but honestly there was very little time during MDA's tenure that we had a good PG, much less started a season with one. Dude never had a chance to start a season with a good PG in training camp and finish the season with that PG.
I disagree. I also thought mark might be able to get something out of Marbury. I also think mark has a more traditional approach to basketball and would have wanted a center in one of the best center drafts ever. I think mark would have liked Wilson at the three and gotten Walsh to go big. And yeah I think things would be different.
this is one of your more farfetched fantasies. d'antoni never had a top flight point guard to work with that is a fact.
You can blame Walsh for that
4th Qtr 1:57
NYK 101 GSW 123
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Man if Walsh hired Mjax this franchise would be totally different.
It depends on whether or not we'd work with him afterwards. I don't Woodson and D'antoni but this franchise has a bad habit of not working with it's coaches. Woodson needs his vets and D'antoni needed his PG for his system and we got them their guys for like 1 season (in d'antoni's case like half a season).
I think they go center in the gallo draft, point in the hill draft and then are set for 10 years at center, point, power forward if they keep lee, small forward with chandler, and they still have cap space and the pick Walsh traded with hill for mc Grady. That is an attractive team for a free agent to consider.
Well the thing is that no matter who was coaching at the time we were still going all in on trying to get Lebron. Some of those trades still may have happened regardless. We definitely don't draft gallinari with D'anotni not here though.
Also, Walsh totally backed dantoni. If he supports mark like that then he would have success.
Mark would NEVER have lasted those 1st 2 years. Lets not forget that. Mark had a much easier road with the GS. Less expectations and better core talent. Could you imagine Mark coaching Duhon? The real issue wasn't Walsh wanting MDA. It was the dumb decisions to not give MDA a PG to work with knowing his system required at the very least a decent PG. Any time we got decent PG play the Knicks played much better, but honestly there was very little time during MDA's tenure that we had a good PG, much less started a season with one. Dude never had a chance to start a season with a good PG in training camp and finish the season with that PG.
I disagree. I also thought mark might be able to get something out of Marbury. I also think mark has a more traditional approach to basketball and would have wanted a center in one of the best center drafts ever. I think mark would have liked Wilson at the three and gotten Walsh to go big. And yeah I think things would be different.
We'll never know, but I just disagree about how successful we'd have been with just a different coach at that point. The real issue is that they NEVER fully committed to what MDA does best. They didn't actually try to build a team that fit the coach as you seem to be suggesting. As if we went for Passing PG's in the draft as opposed to taking forwards like we did. Walsh wasn't doing MDA any favors IMO. If a GM is building a team in MDA's mold he goes for Passing and Penetrating PG, Pure SG and shooters and finishers in general. MDA likes smart and skilled players so again I don't see how Walsh went heavy in that direction IMO.
There were point guards available after Rubio and curry. There was a lot of talk at the time about how younger guys, guys with maturity and/or attitudes were eliminated from consideration because dantoni struggled with those types ( Jennings, Stephenson). But Lawson , holiday ... Etc would have changed the Knicks fortunes.
Who the HELL wants a PG that has attitude problems? What you want is a PG who has the mentality of a Leader. I still contend that the Knicks made almost ZERO effort to really build a team fitted to MDA. If they did there's no doubt it would've been successful. You seem to think he can't coach and would fail if we actually built a team that fit his concepts! We had that opportunity given that we didn't have anything standing in the way of building a team in whatever fashion we deemed necessary to win. There's NOTHING wrong with a system if you're building a team practically from scratch. It's not that hard to target players that fit this description. Smart, Highly skilled, team oriented players. Those aren't obscure traits.
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Man if Walsh hired Mjax this franchise would be totally different.
It depends on whether or not we'd work with him afterwards. I don't Woodson and D'antoni but this franchise has a bad habit of not working with it's coaches. Woodson needs his vets and D'antoni needed his PG for his system and we got them their guys for like 1 season (in d'antoni's case like half a season).
I think they go center in the gallo draft, point in the hill draft and then are set for 10 years at center, point, power forward if they keep lee, small forward with chandler, and they still have cap space and the pick Walsh traded with hill for mc Grady. That is an attractive team for a free agent to consider.
Well the thing is that no matter who was coaching at the time we were still going all in on trying to get Lebron. Some of those trades still may have happened regardless. We definitely don't draft gallinari with D'anotni not here though.
Also, Walsh totally backed dantoni. If he supports mark like that then he would have success.
Mark would NEVER have lasted those 1st 2 years. Lets not forget that. Mark had a much easier road with the GS. Less expectations and better core talent. Could you imagine Mark coaching Duhon? The real issue wasn't Walsh wanting MDA. It was the dumb decisions to not give MDA a PG to work with knowing his system required at the very least a decent PG. Any time we got decent PG play the Knicks played much better, but honestly there was very little time during MDA's tenure that we had a good PG, much less started a season with one. Dude never had a chance to start a season with a good PG in training camp and finish the season with that PG.
I disagree. I also thought mark might be able to get something out of Marbury. I also think mark has a more traditional approach to basketball and would have wanted a center in one of the best center drafts ever. I think mark would have liked Wilson at the three and gotten Walsh to go big. And yeah I think things would be different.
this is one of your more farfetched fantasies. d'antoni never had a top flight point guard to work with that is a fact.
Your coming in late. The conversation was about how the Knicks draft and do things if Mjax was coach. Pretty sure that dantoni over mjax hire being a mistake is one thing we agree on.
These boos are not nearly loud enough
TeamBall wrote:These boos are not nearly loud enough
Nobody cares including some of the players.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with MJax being coach, but just keep it real that back when they brought in MDA the team sucked and they had a plan to shed contracts for 2 years. How would that have worked with MJax as a 1st time coach and no talent? He had LOADS of talent in GS to work with.
TeamBall wrote:These boos are not nearly loud enough
What boos are you talking about. I did hear anything.
MSG is starting to become "THE WORLDS MOST STUPID ARENA", the place where stupid people go and waste their money.
I booed Curry's tripe double in 31 minutes. Come on dude, the Knicks is hurting, that's mean.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Man if Walsh hired Mjax this franchise would be totally different.
It depends on whether or not we'd work with him afterwards. I don't Woodson and D'antoni but this franchise has a bad habit of not working with it's coaches. Woodson needs his vets and D'antoni needed his PG for his system and we got them their guys for like 1 season (in d'antoni's case like half a season).
I think they go center in the gallo draft, point in the hill draft and then are set for 10 years at center, point, power forward if they keep lee, small forward with chandler, and they still have cap space and the pick Walsh traded with hill for mc Grady. That is an attractive team for a free agent to consider.
Well the thing is that no matter who was coaching at the time we were still going all in on trying to get Lebron. Some of those trades still may have happened regardless. We definitely don't draft gallinari with D'anotni not here though.
Also, Walsh totally backed dantoni. If he supports mark like that then he would have success.
Mark would NEVER have lasted those 1st 2 years. Lets not forget that. Mark had a much easier road with the GS. Less expectations and better core talent. Could you imagine Mark coaching Duhon? The real issue wasn't Walsh wanting MDA. It was the dumb decisions to not give MDA a PG to work with knowing his system required at the very least a decent PG. Any time we got decent PG play the Knicks played much better, but honestly there was very little time during MDA's tenure that we had a good PG, much less started a season with one. Dude never had a chance to start a season with a good PG in training camp and finish the season with that PG.
I disagree. I also thought mark might be able to get something out of Marbury. I also think mark has a more traditional approach to basketball and would have wanted a center in one of the best center drafts ever. I think mark would have liked Wilson at the three and gotten Walsh to go big. And yeah I think things would be different.
this is one of your more farfetched fantasies. d'antoni never had a top flight point guard to work with that is a fact.
Your coming in late. The conversation was about how the Knicks draft and do things if Mjax was coach. Pretty sure that dantoni over mjax hire being a mistake is one thing we agree on.
the entire argument is right here. how do you know what jackson would have preferred? fill me in-- since he was hired by golden state what input has he had on personnel? i am curious.
Vmart wrote:TeamBall wrote:These boos are not nearly loud enough
What boos are you talking about. I did hear anything.
Lol it must have been mine
CrushAlot wrote:TeamBall wrote:These boos are not nearly loud enough
Nobody cares including some of the players.
I know it won't happen but I really wish they'd stop going to the games
I don't hate this team anymore.
I dont really care about them.
Wish they could forfeit the rest of the season.
It was hard for me to watch this game, like the last one. Tuned out by the beginning of the 4th. I know I'm not buying league pass next season. Its the bad old days again.
franco12 wrote:the trifecta!We should have an over under for how many combined points we lose by in these three games.
55 and I'm going over!
They nearly have hit the over in just two games!
I laugh when I read articles asking if the team has quit- did they ever start?! They've been dogging it since the preseason. I've quit too- didn't even bother watching the last five games!
