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It's the root of a lot of infighting that's going on

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

No, he can play and defend the 3 position..The fact that he can play the 4 as well makes him versatile...Is Bron a tweener??.Pg, SF, PF??..Versatile...for example, TD was a tweener, who really can't play either position well, PG or SG...He is a perimeter player who can play down low..That's a good thing by the way...

lebron can guard all 5 positions. he shut rose down, for example. that isn't a tweener that is a supreme talent.

melo has a hard time guarding on the perimeter because he has subpar instincts and poor lateral quickness, often guarding with his hands not his feet.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

No, he can play and defend the 3 position..The fact that he can play the 4 as well makes him versatile...Is Bron a tweener??.Pg, SF, PF??..Versatile...for example, TD was a tweener, who really can't play either position well, PG or SG...He is a perimeter player who can play down low..That's a good thing by the way...

lebron can guard all 5 positions. he shut rose down, for example. that isn't a tweener that is a supreme talent.

melo has a hard time guarding on the perimeter because he has subpar instincts and poor lateral quickness, often guarding with his hands not his feet.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

I think you misinterpreted. Never did i say he struggles on defense at either position. He's not a great defender, but can defend both positions. Tweeners for example lack the size to the defend the 4 and speed to defend the 3. Not the case with him.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

I think you misinterpreted. Never did i say he struggles on defense at either position. He's not a great defender, but can defend both positions. Tweeners for example lack the size to the defend the 4 and speed to defend the 3. Not the case with him.

that certainly is the case with him! that is precisely his failing as a defender.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KG or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY (edit for KD, and KG, not KD 2x)

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

Gallo makes 11 mil per, Deng makes about 14 and wants more, Boozer 15/16?, Chandler 14, McGee makes 10...Either u have no idea what a true value of a player is or the rest of the Basketball Universe doesn't know...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

Gallo makes 11 mil per, Deng makes about 14 and wants more, Boozer 15/16?, Chandler 14, McGee makes 10...Either u have no idea what a true value of a player is or the rest of the Basketball Universe doesn't know...

deng won't get more although he has more value to a title team than melo does imho because he plays a complete game, boozer is vastly overpaid no doubt, mcgee is a little much at 10, gallo is being paid what he should be.

i know what value to place on players i think.

what are your values for these players pray tell?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

Gallo makes 11 mil per, Deng makes about 14 and wants more, Boozer 15/16?, Chandler 14, McGee makes 10...Either u have no idea what a true value of a player is or the rest of the Basketball Universe doesn't know...

deng won't get more although he has more value to a title team than melo does imho because he plays a complete game, boozer is vastly overpaid no doubt, mcgee is a little much at 10, gallo is being paid what he should be.

i know what value to place on players i think.

what are your values for these players pray tell?

So, in your opinion Melo and Gallo are almost equals???..One gets 11 mil per is just right and the other should be paid 12 mil per...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

Gallo makes 11 mil per, Deng makes about 14 and wants more, Boozer 15/16?, Chandler 14, McGee makes 10...Either u have no idea what a true value of a player is or the rest of the Basketball Universe doesn't know...

deng won't get more although he has more value to a title team than melo does imho because he plays a complete game, boozer is vastly overpaid no doubt, mcgee is a little much at 10, gallo is being paid what he should be.

i know what value to place on players i think.

what are your values for these players pray tell?

So, in your opinion Melo and Gallo are almost equals???

lets stay on point instead of you going down the road of outrage as usual. what price to you put on these players?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

actofgod wrote:Melo excels as a PF, Love is a PF. Locking the vast majority of our money on two fours would be inane. This team will go nowhere without a quality 1 and 2.

Melo is usually cover by 3s(George, Battier, Bron,KD...Melo has trouble guarding 4s(West and ZBo comes to mind)..Melo is a 3 who can moonlight at 4..

in other words he is a tweener

Actually he would be considered a hybrid, not a tweener, because his advantage is he can effectively play either position, unless major mismatches are presented. Tweeners struggle to play either position effectively in most cases.

you just contradicted yourself and made my point. he can present mismatches on offense but then struggles on defense in both positions. tweener

He's a 10 time all star but cant play D, doesnt have a position and is a loafer. We get it

what does a popularity contest have to do with his effectiveness on defense? he isn't a complete player. this is a list that tells me a little more something of his value since it is not based on casual fan voting but sportswriters and columnists:

2005-06 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

notice no first team appearances. when you are 3rd team it translates to all-star reserve. second team means you are possibly an all-star starter but it is not a given.

sooo.... 6x times he's voted by people YOU VALUE as being the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA at his position and you view that as a negative?

Thank you DK... so since this is a viable critera your agreeing that Melo is essentially the best forward in the league not named KD or Lebron or KD or Duncan? OOOOOO-KAY

bottom line is Melo is there EVERY YEAR. I think even the most die hard Melo supporters (and Im NOT one) would agree that Melo is a notch below this list of players (when having their BEST seasons) who have kept him off the all NBA first team:
Lebron
Dirk
Kevin Garnett (Minn years)
Duncan (younger)
Kevin Durant

How did he beat out Paul George last year? Isnt that your favorite player? (assuming you and TFK are same guy)

carmelo anthony's value from that rating is 12-13 million a year. that's all that matters at this point since winning titles is alla true knick fan cares about. we overpaid him and gave up assets too and now it's time for him to give back by asking for an amount that is in keeping with his actiual value to a team.

a player is good at one pricer and bad at another. carmelo is bad at the price we paid.

Gallo makes 11 mil per, Deng makes about 14 and wants more, Boozer 15/16?, Chandler 14, McGee makes 10...Either u have no idea what a true value of a player is or the rest of the Basketball Universe doesn't know...

deng won't get more although he has more value to a title team than melo does imho because he plays a complete game, boozer is vastly overpaid no doubt, mcgee is a little much at 10, gallo is being paid what he should be.

i know what value to place on players i think.

what are your values for these players pray tell?

So, in your opinion Melo and Gallo are almost equals???

lets stay on point instead of you going down the road of outrage as usual. what price to you put on these players?

Melo is a max player, a top 5 player..Gallo is 8/9 mil per 42% shooter from the field, 37% from three,5 reb a game at 6'10", poor..McGee is 8 per..Deng is 12/13..Boozer 9/10..
Melo is a game changer..Gallo???