i mean think about it,
phil jax is a legend because of his coaching, but you're not bringing him in to coach.. you're bringing him in to....do a job he's never done before?
what's the reason for this, it's to slap a big name on it and ride a few more years of false hope
IronWillGiroud wrote:i mean think about it,phil jax is a legend because of his coaching, but you're not bringing him in to coach.. you're bringing him in to....do a job he's never done before?
what's the reason for this, it's to slap a big name on it and ride a few more years of false hope
anything that castrates dolan i am in favor of
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:Silverfuel wrote:OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?
Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move
Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..
And that would have been a bad thing because?
It's not your money right??
No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.
No one with a clue would do that..No one..
If you think he can increase your profits by significantly more than 25%, then you give him 25%. It's not black and white.
But like vcoug pointed out, he probably would have settled for less than 10%
Exactly. It's also how countless other businesses have worked for years. And I guess holfresh is unfamiliar with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Auerbach"]Red Auerbach[/url] and the amount of control he had over the Boston Celtics for over four decades.
Right we will never draft the next Patrick Ewing, Derek Jeter Eli manning. You name it. We will never have THAT player we can all latch on to for 15-20yrs.
We will continued to argue about flaws in our STARPHUCH players
That to me is extremely depressing as great as it would be to land Phil Jackson.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:Silverfuel wrote:OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?
Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move
Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..
And that would have been a bad thing because?
It's not your money right??
No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.
No one with a clue would do that..No one..
If you think he can increase your profits by significantly more than 25%, then you give him 25%. It's not black and white.
But like vcoug pointed out, he probably would have settled for less than 10%
Exactly. It's also how countless other businesses have worked for years. And I guess holfresh is unfamiliar with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Auerbach"]Red Auerbach[/url] and the amount of control he had over the Boston Celtics for over four decades.
many corporate entities have evolved away from the absolute control model that pre-existed the civil war. unfortunately dolan and the people who clearly share his "values" believe that there are plenty of men and women out there who are in effect infallible. in order to counteract that rend the founding fathers cranked out that little scrap called the constitution.
IronWillGiroud wrote:i mean think about it,phil jax is a legend because of his coaching, but you're not bringing him in to coach.. you're bringing him in to....do a job he's never done before?
what's the reason for this, it's to slap a big name on it and ride a few more years of false hope
Knicks motto for filling job vacancies: Names and friends before relevant experience and qualifications! We'll be able to team up Phil 'The Name' Jackson, with Steve 'The Friend' Mills, to have a two headed GM beast that doesn't have any GM experience between them!
If Phil was the GM of the lakers, he would have trading kobe 10 times.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:Silverfuel wrote:OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?
Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move
Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..
And that would have been a bad thing because?
It's not your money right??
No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.
No one with a clue would do that..No one..
If you think he can increase your profits by significantly more than 25%, then you give him 25%. It's not black and white.
But like vcoug pointed out, he probably would have settled for less than 10%
Exactly. It's also how countless other businesses have worked for years. And I guess holfresh is unfamiliar with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Auerbach"]Red Auerbach[/url] and the amount of control he had over the Boston Celtics for over four decades.
Red never owned any piece of the Celtics...
VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:Silverfuel wrote:OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?
Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move
Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..
And that would have been a bad thing because?
It's not your money right??
No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.
Riles was a snake. Faxing in his resignation after negotiating a deal with the heat. I loved the Knicks beating his team every year except for when Stern foiled the Knicks with suspensions for going on the court.
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:Silverfuel wrote:OasisBU wrote:So the Knicks didn't want to give the keys to Riley back in the day but now they are going after the Zen master who has zero front office experience. I think he will be a good addition and add some much needed credibility to the organization but what exactly would he be in charge of?
Giving Riley what he wanted would have been the right move
Riley wanted 25% of the team plus 10 mil per...That number might have been approaching 500 mil at this point..
And that would have been a bad thing because?
It's not your money right??
No, and it isn't yours either. But if it was my money I would have done it. And considering what a small piece of the pie the Knicks are compared to the rest of Cablevision, $6B in revenue last year, it would have been very affordable.
No one with a clue would do that..No one..
If you think he can increase your profits by significantly more than 25%, then you give him 25%. It's not black and white.
But like vcoug pointed out, he probably would have settled for less than 10%
Melo had an effect on the Knicks bottom line but u don't want to pay him..
It depends on whether your ask me to take a fan's perspective or a shareholder's perspective. You can't expect me to always address both. The maximum contract I'd offer would vary depending on the perspective.
But regarding your question, I definitely do want to pay him what I think he's worth. I'd rather see him stay but it would have to be for a contract that I could justify.
I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
From a shareholder's perspective (meaning I just wanted $$$), I'd probably offer him a few min total salary above whatever other teams are willing to offer. (I think that was something around $95 mil if I remember right.)
Bonn1997 wrote:I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
13 million per year is about all he is worth to the knicks as a basketball team certainly, i agree 100%. the fact is that i just don't see a scenario anywhere in the nba where he goes someplace else for more than that amount and expects to win. do you?
i keep asking the board here what teams would fulfill a scenario where he makes a bunch more than that and they win a title, and all these weeks later it is nothing but <crickets>
anywhere he goes he should be expecting second fiddle status at best. how much do second fiddles make in this day and age? 12-13 million
dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
13 million per year is about all he is worth to the knicks as a basketball team certainly, i agree 100%. the fact is that i just don't see a scenario anywhere in the nba where he goes someplace else for more than that amount and expects to win. do you?
i keep asking the board here what teams would fulfill a scenario where he makes a bunch more than that and they win a title, and all these weeks later it is nothing but <crickets>
anywhere he goes he should be expecting second fiddle status at best. how much do second fiddles make in this day and age? 12-13 million
Chicago? You don't think that they can pay him more than that and win with him? I think that they can.
Bonn1997 wrote:I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
From a shareholder's perspective (meaning I just wanted $$$), I'd probably offer him a few min total salary above whatever other teams are willing to offer. (I think that was something around $95 mil if I remember right.)
After state and nyc income tax that is down to almost 11 mil a year. If he is making that kind of money he goes to the Heat to get a championship.
CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
From a shareholder's perspective (meaning I just wanted $$$), I'd probably offer him a few min total salary above whatever other teams are willing to offer. (I think that was something around $95 mil if I remember right.)
After state and nyc income tax that is down to almost 11 mil a year. If he is making that kind of money he goes to the Heat to get a championship.
So be it. That's why I said I'd trade him. As a fan, I'm not afraid to depart from the .500 Melo era and start over.
I think you guys are selling him short. I've had my issues with Melo but he is worth $17-23 for a 5 year duration to us. He's not just another glen Robinson, Mitch Richmond vin baker career loser. My problem is with people who put him on the same pedestal as Jordan Lebron and Kobe and want to max him out. Give him everything and he he'll with the cap and draft picks and assets
He is good enough to single handey get you in the playoffs which we saw last year and most of his career in Denver. That is valuable.
Question is what is the New York knickerbockers brain trust plan going forward. Are we going to be patient and add the right pieces around Melo or are we going all out for Kevin Love to form he worse defensive front out in NBA history? Or are we going after more players with a few acl, micro fracture surgeries under their belts?
Melo resigning for $17-23 allows you to add the right pieces if you are patient
gunsnewing wrote:I think you guys are selling him short. I've had my issues with Melo but he is worth $17-23 for a 5 year duration to us. He's not just another glen Robinson, Mitch Richmond vin baker career loser. My problem is with people who put him on the same pedestal as Jordan Lebron and Kobe and want to max him out. Give him everything and he he'll with the cap and draft picks and assetsHe is good enough to single handey get you in the playoffs which we saw last year and most of his career in Denver. That is valuable.
Question is what is the New York knickerbockers brain trust plan going forward. Are we going to be patient and add the right pieces around Melo or are we going all out for Kevin Love to form he worse defensive front out in NBA history? Or are we going after more players with a few acl, micro fracture surgeries under their belts?
Melo resigning for $17-23 allows you to add the right pieces if you are patient
This to me is impartial and how I feel. I hate parts of his game (e.g. 0.4 assists in the 4th quarter) but I will not grossly underestimated him either because of personal distaste.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:I've written about it elsewhere but a scoring specialist who's about average in all other areas of the game? Based on looking at his advanced stats and considering age, I'd say around 4 years, $52 mil. Because I can't imagine he'd accept that, I also said we should have traded him. That's if you're asking me as a fan, not a shareholder.
13 million per year is about all he is worth to the knicks as a basketball team certainly, i agree 100%. the fact is that i just don't see a scenario anywhere in the nba where he goes someplace else for more than that amount and expects to win. do you?
i keep asking the board here what teams would fulfill a scenario where he makes a bunch more than that and they win a title, and all these weeks later it is nothing but <crickets>
anywhere he goes he should be expecting second fiddle status at best. how much do second fiddles make in this day and age? 12-13 million
Chicago? You don't think that they can pay him more than that and win with him? I think that they can.
i think there will be gelling issues anywhere he goes and with chicago there will be friction over defensive effort. i think noah is a highly intelligent player with a huge heart, really a top 15 player, maybe top 12. but having two similar mindsets in rose and anthony on the floor for a lot of minutes i think you have real cohesion issues to overcome on both ends of the floor.
no particular order past the top three names here and i may be forgetting a couple of names:
lebron
durant
george
hibbert
nowitzki
curry
griffin
cp3
lilliard
aldridge
harden
marc gasol
parker
noah
love
dragic
<meh>lo
anthony davis
stephenson
wade
howard
parsons
milsap
$11-13mil is just not realistic. Gallo makes $11mil
