Knicks · We have a very good player in THJ (page 3)

If little nate can pass, shoot and rebound as a rookie, why can't he do it at 6 6"

So was was Allan Houston and Jason terry

When was the last time the Knicks drafted a guard who could score? Nate but he is diminutive and dysfunction. Fields, postell? No

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

AAAND... Is that why he's one dimensional

Man people are drinking mad Timmy hateraid! First off Timmy is def not one dimensional. Ask Clyde what dose he call him "a nephrite"He can hit the three, he can get to the hoop via transition or driving. He can also shoot off the dribble. Dose the young man have flaws in his game yes and this is a good thing. He's got a lot of work to do in the off season he's got his daddy whispering in his ear. As well as knick brass, also he's really picked up his defense as of late ... A offseason of conditioning and defensive workouts and keep shooting like he dose ... Timmy is going to be a all star one day maybe not next year but the year after probably! The apple dose not fall far from the tree! What separates thjr from most of other rookies is he grew up in the nba he knows what it takes to be the best of the best! Everyone in the Knicks brass are still wowed by thjr first thing they say is he's got a great work ethic! Timmy is only going to get a lot better... Stop drinking so much hate on a young rising player

The Knicks and and their fans have been historically bad at judging young talent and knowing what pieces it takes to build a winning team

CashMoney wrote:I like THJ a lot. I think he has a bright future and hope that we hold onto him.

THJ > Landry, Shump and TD....not even close.

I agree. THJ has shown an offensive game that is at a level that is higher than any of those other players. Landry was always a role player and that was clear even when he was here. TD was ruined by the team trying to make him a PG, which destroyed his confidence. I don't think any ever thought Shump was a star. We just thought he had the potential to be a starter. He still has that potential if he can figure out how to be more efficient and consistent on offense. THJ is a better shooter than all of them and has better offensive instincts. He has to work on his ball-handling and defense, and I don't think he is going to be an All-star, but the kid does look like he will be a starting caliber SG for a long-time.

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

AAAND... Is that why he's one dimensional

Man people are drinking mad Timmy hateraid! First off Timmy is def not one dimensional. Ask Clyde what dose he call him "a nephrite"He can hit the three, he can get to the hoop via transition or driving. He can also shoot off the dribble. Dose the young man have flaws in his game yes and this is a good thing. He's got a lot of work to do in the off season he's got his daddy whispering in his ear. As well as knick brass, also he's really picked up his defense as of late ... A offseason of conditioning and defensive workouts and keep shooting like he dose ... Timmy is going to be a all star one day maybe not next year but the year after probably! The apple dose not fall far from the tree! What separates thjr from most of other rookies is he grew up in the nba he knows what it takes to be the best of the best! Everyone in the Knicks brass are still wowed by thjr first thing they say is he's got a great work ethic! Timmy is only going to get a lot better... Stop drinking so much hate on a young rising player

Noboy is hating on the kid, but his stats indicate that all he does well is score, i have paid close attn to him since the begining of last year, and watched him an awful lot in the tourny last year..nothing he's doing now surprises me, he just took his scoring ability to the next level.

Clyde also talks about see your man see the ball, he gives up countless 3 pointers cause he gets completely loss especially when it comes to switching, he has no clue when and when not to do it.

The only way for him to improve defensively is to play around defensive minded players who talk on defense. He doesn't rebound well cause he never ever crashes the board, soon as the ball goes up, he's already headed in the oposite direction.

He lacks effort on the defensive end, and he doesn't even gamble for a steal, he plays to far off his man or to close, and he constently watches the ball or his man, never both, drifts too far into the paint, leaving his own man for open looks..

He'll get a little better, (in the right system) but he will never be mistaken for a good defender

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

So is Michael Carter Williams

Reggie Miller 3 rebounds per game and 3 assists over his career. Yet everyone sings his praises. Not say THJ is Miller or anything like that.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

So is Michael Carter Williams

Michael Carter Williams can't hit the side of a barn. Being a cuse fan he tends to disappear in games because he is such a poor shooter as he disappears as well in the nba Also his numbers are glorified being on the worst roster in the nba in Philly. He's a healthy Shawn Livingston whith out a shot ... Last 10 games he's been shooting under 40% from the field last 5 only 35%... In order for MCW to become a all star he's got to shoot better which it's hard to be a shooter when you don't have the ability to shoot. He's also shooting 27% from three yuck not good your starting point guard is shooting under 30% from downtown... Speaking of players that peak there rookie year Michael Carter Williams is a prime candidate his shooting a work in progress it didn't get better in college and it's going to be hard for him to get better in the nba shooting is a skill someone has to have to begin with and he defiantly dose not have that skill...

Vmart wrote:Reggie Miller 3 rebounds per game and 3 assists over his career. Yet everyone sings his praises. Not say THJ is Miller or anything like that.

reggie could defend

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Reggie Miller 3 rebounds per game and 3 assists over his career. Yet everyone sings his praises. Not say THJ is Miller or anything like that.

reggie could defend

Now your making things up. Time allows people to forget.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Reggie Miller 3 rebounds per game and 3 assists over his career. Yet everyone sings his praises. Not say THJ is Miller or anything like that.

reggie could defend

I don't know Reggie could always steal but he also was subject to being a work in progress defender his rookie year,just like thjr.. And miller became a unbelievable defender. Miller averaged 0.6 steals his rookie year thjr is averaging 0.5..miller actually mentions this in a q&a that his most important off season was his sophomore year . Thjr knows in order to take his game to the next level this off season is really important.

Last 5 Timmy is averaging almost a steal a game 0.8

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

So is Michael Carter Williams

Michael Carter Williams can't hit the side of a barn. Being a cuse fan he tends to disappear in games because he is such a poor shooter as he disappears as well in the nba Also his numbers are glorified being on the worst roster in the nba in Philly. He's a healthy Shawn Livingston whith out a shot ... Last 10 games he's been shooting under 40% from the field last 5 only 35%... In order for MCW to become a all star he's got to shoot better which it's hard to be a shooter when you don't have the ability to shoot. He's also shooting 27% from three yuck not good your starting point guard is shooting under 30% from downtown... Speaking of players that peak there rookie year Michael Carter Williams is a prime candidate his shooting a work in progress it didn't get better in college and it's going to be hard for him to get better in the nba shooting is a skill someone has to have to begin with and he defiantly dose not have that skill...

Yet he was good enough to have a triple double against our knickerbaaahkas

Would you take THJ over MCW?

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

fitzfarm wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.

Not that I don't like MCW.. I think he's really good , but I also see Timmy rising fast to where I think with MCW is going to have to work a lot harder then thjr to improve his game. Wouldn't be surprised if MCW 5 years from now is still at 16 and 6 .Timmy 5 years from now could be one of the best three point shooters and scorer in the game averaging over 20 a game.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

I think it's an overstatement to call THJ a great player. But he is having a good rookie season. Scoring one of the top 5 rookie performers this year with the 24th pick is something to be optimistic about. Yeah, his D sucks, but that's the case with most rookies. I'm hopeful that his offensive game rounds out like Aaron Affalo's. You compare THJ's rookie season with guys like JJ Redick, Kevin Martin and Afflalo's, and you can see why guys are excited:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...

Thjr is not great yet... Give the kid a chance... Would I rather have MCW over thjr. Well as a player stand point thjr I feel has a lot more potential. But the biggest glaring hole on our roster is pg also Williams was drafted 11th. Williams can not shoot but neither can rondo, I'd prob go with Williams because we need a pg over a 2 guard but the kid has a shot like fish lips jefferies . Timmy is going to be a great three point shooter/scorer. If we sign and trade chandler for Kyle lowery then I'd have to say I'd go with thjr every time. He's a 20 point per game type of scorer he is a dead eye three point shooter, best transition player the Knicks have right now. He can shoot mid range and take it to the hole. Defense will come just like it came to miller his second year in the league

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion - even if its way out there.

MCW is a weak shooter (like Rondo and Rubio etc ...) but that kid has mad skills. He has instincts that THJ will never have.

Not that I don't like MCW.. I think he's really good , but I also see Timmy rising fast to where I think with MCW is going to have to work a lot harder then thjr to improve his game. Wouldn't be surprised if MCW 5 years from now is still at 16 and 6 .Timmy 5 years from now could be one of the best three point shooters and scorer in the game averaging over 20 a game.

"could be" just like people were saying that Landry "could be" bernard king - heck, he shot 49 pct in his rookie year and was deadly from 3.

I look at them now and MCW is FAR better now and has FAR more upside just because he really has the instincts and understands the game.

Right now, THJ is a streaky sharp shooter who is a sieve on defense. Streaky sharp shooters who don't play defense should not be compared to players who have triple doubles in their rookie year. See how much better Rondo got as time went by? You can't teach those skills.

We don't have many real assets outside of Melo, Tim Hardway JR is our most attractive piece other teams could buy high on
Many teams have a lot multiple picks this summer and might buy HIGH on Hardaway's abilities/potential
If we can get 2 2nd rounders in this draft that are early to mid, in addition to a future 1st rounder, it would be hard to give up with all the holes we need to fill
With JR, Iman, and Tim Hardaway JR all playing the SG position, it would make sense to make a trade for one of these players that would net us back talent we desperately need
This draft is really deep and I believe we would be able to even grab high ceilings players that could slip to the later 2nd round and possibly undrafted
If we can trade Iman/Chandler for OKC's 2 1st round picks it would be great, but unlikely, probably just one pick and maybe one of their younger prospects

In no order, if we can grab 2-3 players, with the continued development of players like Tyler, James Johnson, our MLE, and undrafted players or previous drafts with high potentials
It would surely help our future development, something Phil Jackson has shown he has been capable of molding players if he chooses his own coaching/development staff
Maybe Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, Fred Hoiberg, Pippen, Kukoc, Horace Grant, Longley/Cartright, BJ Armstrong, Paxson

PG's that can also play SG
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DeAndre Kane
Delon Wright (could be in 2015 draft)

Burton *scoring PG with supreme athleticism*

PF/C
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Jordan Bachynski 7-2
Alec Brown 7-1 *stretch 4-5*