Knicks · If tonight's game doesn't tell you that Woodson needs to be let go.... (page 2)

Yea I don't see Phil giving those kind of orders to the coach 4 days into his presidency

With the playoffs and lottery pick on the line

I don't care if Woodson learns the triangle. It's going to take 60 games every year for him to settle on a rotation. This roster is going to be completely turned over 2yrs. We don't need Woodson trying to figure out what works 3/4's of the way into seasons

Nevermind the fact he has no imagination, all the late game coaching blunders and lack of adjustments in the playoffs

I felt this game was a horror flashback to game 6 in Boston. Woodson just seems to start watching something else or something

When the cat is away the mice will play. Terrible job by Woody game management just not his forte.

Alan Hahn on espn radio "Mike Woodson does under psych" "leaves it up to his players when he should should call a timeout"

Yesterday is one of Woodson's many late game blunders this year. Knicks have lost 14 games by less than 5pts. Some blame goes to the bonehead players but not all. We would have the 7th seed if we won half those games

Cya Mike!

Actually turned off the game just before the sixers made their run in the 4th. Didnt see the collapse. I believe Woodson lost the team when he kept giving JR a pass and even mgmt was saying go harder on Smith. His first words as head coach were about accountability. Looks like Woodson is going to get a large helping of it over the summer.

On a side note, I thought the sixers would be fun young team to watch while they rebuild. What a disaster. We'll see how kind the ping pong balls are to them.

GustavBahler wrote:Actually turned off the game just before the sixers made their run in the 4th. Didnt see the collapse. I believe Woodson lost the team when he kept giving JR a pass and even mgmt was saying go harder on Smith. His first words as head coach were about accountability. Looks like Woodson is going to get a large helping of it over the summer.

On a side note, I thought the sixers would be fun young team to watch while they rebuild. What a disaster. We'll see how kind the ping pong balls are to them.

Carter Williams is the real deal. They have Noel coming back next year and should come away with a really good player in this draft. It may not work out for them but they committed to a rebuild and went all in.

You have to stop and evaluate, many in the head coaching position in the NBA are really glorified assistant coaches, buying the franchise time to make money with mediocre teams.

Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

I think, like with most coaches, when he finds a combination that works for him, he can get the most out of it. For example, last season we started off hot with small ball and guys making their shots - 2 of those guys being Brewer and Kidd. It was a good combination of players that spread the floor for Melo and allowed him to kick it out to shooter upon being doubled. Then, at the end of last season, Woodson starts prigs and shump who both pretty much replace Kidd and Brewer (shump hitting the corner 3 and providing defense while Prigs is the floor general and occasional 3pt maker) and we go on a nice run to finish the season. I think Woodons problem is that it takes him a while to find these combinations.

However, the dude is still pretty bad with in-game adjustments.

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

All of them.

Off the top of my head the series vs the heat it was obvious that the heat did 3 things vs us. They trapped the ball handlers off most PNR's. They played good denial and post D on melo. The last thing I remember they did vs us was any double that was not a trap came from the weak side corner. Woody did nothing to counter these moves. He force fed the ball to Melo in the post and he did not think to put the best 3pt shooter in the league(novak) in the weak side corner EVERY TIME he is on the court.

For the Indiana series he hardly made any adjustments and when he did it was the wrong one. He went big vs the Pacers which is a negative because their bigs are better than our bigs. It also meant that Hibbert would live in the paint because none of our bigs could hit a shot. He played Amare too much after coming back rusty from an injury. He did not play Cope until too late. After the Pacers beat us Frank Vogel specifically said he was glad we did not use Cope in the series. Cope would have meant hibbert could not stay in the paint all game.

Papabear Says

I agree that Woody has to go but we must understand that the player we had in the game in the last 2 minutes sucked. Like I said before I do not like the way Woody coach the last quarter of a game. He calls no time outs at the right time. Woody must have thought he was coaching the Heat or OKC. You don't pull the Knicks starters off the floor until you know that the other team put their second unit on the floor and we have a minute and a half to go in the game and we are up by at least 16 points.

EnySpree wrote:He's pathetic. Aside from the stupid ass ending of the game....there was a point in the 4th where Woodson went to center court arguing a call and melo pushes past him yelling come on man or something like that cuz Woodson was holding up the game to argue some irrelevant call. Melo is not hiding his displeasure anymore. Woodson is a fucking retard. This 8 game winning streak is not on Woodson. I think the guys settled in behind this Phil Jackson signing. The starting of amare and melo with jr all of a sudden might be a call from up top also.

Woodson is a straight clown.

Word. Total ass clown. Can't wait for his inevitable departure.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

I went to the advanced metrics lab and came up with an incredible statistic:

When the knicks don't score as many points as the other team...........Wait for it.........
"The KNicks lose the game"!!!!

I know, I know, you can thank me some the time.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

All of them.

Off the top of my head the series vs the heat it was obvious that the heat did 3 things vs us. They trapped the ball handlers off most PNR's. They played good denial and post D on melo. The last thing I remember they did vs us was any double that was not a trap came from the weak side corner. Woody did nothing to counter these moves. He force fed the ball to Melo in the post and he did not think to put the best 3pt shooter in the league(novak) in the weak side corner EVERY TIME he is on the court.

For the Indiana series he hardly made any adjustments and when he did it was the wrong one. He went big vs the Pacers which is a negative because their bigs are better than our bigs. It also meant that Hibbert would live in the paint because none of our bigs could hit a shot. He played Amare too much after coming back rusty from an injury. He did not play Cope until too late. After the Pacers beat us Frank Vogel specifically said he was glad we did not use Cope in the series. Cope would have meant hibbert could not stay in the paint all game.

Woody lets his players take too many low percentage shots. If that's on the players because they don't listen to the coach? Then we need a coach who will require that players listen to their instructions.

He got out coached in the playoffs because the ball stuck. Very weak ball movement. If you lose and are moving the ball, I am ok with it. But, if you lose going ISO/forced basketball then I blame the coach. Now I know the personnel sucked especially at guard but that is still no excuse to not require ball movement.

Watching the college game and seeing the ball movement that's coached makes me really hate the NBA (especially the knicks style).

Not sure I buy the Cope thing.

mreinman wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

All of them.

Off the top of my head the series vs the heat it was obvious that the heat did 3 things vs us. They trapped the ball handlers off most PNR's. They played good denial and post D on melo. The last thing I remember they did vs us was any double that was not a trap came from the weak side corner. Woody did nothing to counter these moves. He force fed the ball to Melo in the post and he did not think to put the best 3pt shooter in the league(novak) in the weak side corner EVERY TIME he is on the court.

For the Indiana series he hardly made any adjustments and when he did it was the wrong one. He went big vs the Pacers which is a negative because their bigs are better than our bigs. It also meant that Hibbert would live in the paint because none of our bigs could hit a shot. He played Amare too much after coming back rusty from an injury. He did not play Cope until too late. After the Pacers beat us Frank Vogel specifically said he was glad we did not use Cope in the series. Cope would have meant hibbert could not stay in the paint all game.

Woody lets his players take too many low percentage shots. If that's on the players because they don't listen to the coach? Then we need a coach who will require that players listen to their instructions.

He got out coached in the playoffs because the ball stuck. Very weak ball movement. If you lose and are moving the ball, I am ok with it. But, if you lose going ISO/forced basketball then I blame the coach. Now I know the personnel sucked especially at guard but that is still no excuse to not require ball movement.

Watching the college game and seeing the ball movement that's coached makes me really hate the NBA (especially the knicks style).

Not sure I buy the Cope thing.

I don't buy the cope thing. Cope isn't that good. He got the start in the Celtics series and looked shook. He didn't score a point in the Celtics series. Most coaches don't get called out for not going to their undrafted league mini guy that was given a chance and couldn't produce but that was how desperate the knicks were. Cope is the 14th man on the pacers this year.
Woodson needed to call a time out last night. Last night's mistake isn't a microcosm of his entire tenure as the knick coach. The knicks need a new voice next year and a guy that can be an extension of pjax. That isn't woodson but Woodson had a lot of success as the knicks coach. Woodson has always been handicapped by injuries in the playoffs. Iman, Baron, Lin, Amare, Tyson his first year. Amare, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Thomas, Sheed, Camby, Melo his second year. The knicks had tremendous misfortune injury wise. Can someone name a coach that overcomes that and beat a team like the world champion heat in 2012 or the pacers in 2013?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea. Michael Woodson doesn't seem like a guy who has a full grasp of every element in coaching. So no he is not. Championship coach

What I don't get, and I'm being genuine here, is how does he manage to rustle up these prolonged winning streaks?- he's done it every year he's been here. It seems like his defensive schemes are terrible and he makes no adjustments, yet we've won a lot of games under him- so are we overlooking some of his strengths?

Like clockwork he always gets exposed in the playoffs. He has noticeably been out coached in every playoff series as a Knick coach.

really? which ones?

All of them.

Off the top of my head the series vs the heat it was obvious that the heat did 3 things vs us. They trapped the ball handlers off most PNR's. They played good denial and post D on melo. The last thing I remember they did vs us was any double that was not a trap came from the weak side corner. Woody did nothing to counter these moves. He force fed the ball to Melo in the post and he did not think to put the best 3pt shooter in the league(novak) in the weak side corner EVERY TIME he is on the court.

For the Indiana series he hardly made any adjustments and when he did it was the wrong one. He went big vs the Pacers which is a negative because their bigs are better than our bigs. It also meant that Hibbert would live in the paint because none of our bigs could hit a shot. He played Amare too much after coming back rusty from an injury. He did not play Cope until too late. After the Pacers beat us Frank Vogel specifically said he was glad we did not use Cope in the series. Cope would have meant hibbert could not stay in the paint all game.

Woody lets his players take too many low percentage shots. If that's on the players because they don't listen to the coach? Then we need a coach who will require that players listen to their instructions.

He got out coached in the playoffs because the ball stuck. Very weak ball movement. If you lose and are moving the ball, I am ok with it. But, if you lose going ISO/forced basketball then I blame the coach. Now I know the personnel sucked especially at guard but that is still no excuse to not require ball movement.

Watching the college game and seeing the ball movement that's coached makes me really hate the NBA (especially the knicks style).

Not sure I buy the Cope thing.

I don't buy the cope thing. Cope isn't that good. He got the start in the Celtics series and looked shook. He didn't score a point in the Celtics series. Most coaches don't get called out for not going to their undrafted league mini guy that was given a chance and couldn't produce but that was how desperate the knicks were. Cope is the 14th man on the pacers this year.
Woodson needed to call a time out last night. Last night's mistake isn't a microcosm of his entire tenure as the knick coach. The knicks need a new voice next year and a guy that can be an extension of pjax. That isn't woodson but Woodson had a lot of success as the knicks coach. Woodson has always been handicapped by injuries in the playoffs. Iman, Baron, Lin, Amare, Tyson his first year. Amare, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Thomas, Sheed, Camby, Melo his second year. The knicks had tremendous misfortune injury wise. Can someone name a coach that overcomes that and beat a team like the world champion heat in 2012 or the pacers in 2013?

Do you think that woody is a good coach?