The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
It shouldn't have come down to us needed out hated rivals to get us in. This was one of the worst seasons IMO. After the 54 win season it just made no sense for such a putrid performance. Started with strange offseason and Dolan mucking up the front office. Only good thing is Phil Jackson coming on board and only one season before we clear the cap. I'm numb at this point. VERY dissatisfied Knick Fan here. My whole house is down about this. I had my kids in Knicks onesies and they've been with me all this time for this wretched ride. Last year was their one time seeing a winning team and getting out of the 1st rd. To not be in the playoffs this year sucks big time for all of us.
Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!
This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.
Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!
Papabear Says
I know that you are celebrating now. I did not expect for the Heat or Nets to do our dirty work. The Knicks will be back with Melo 
I know you can't stand that. I'm a little concerned that no team will do fair business with us so we must understand that and look over seas and other places to find a diamond in the rough. It would nice to see the Pacers go in the first round.
knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
We had the many of the same players from last year, but there was no way to predict that we would have such a huge drop off at the PG. Raymond Felton had the most horrible season of his career and Beno was just bad. Shump also regressed to the point where it was hard to justify keeping him on the court. I expect JR to have a better overall season next year now that he's healthy. I don't think it would take a whole lot for us to make the playoffs next year while preserving cap space for 2015as long we have a decent PG, Shump bounces to being just a bad offensive player and JR is healthy.
BigDaddyG wrote:knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
We had the many of the same players from last year, but there was no way to predict that we would have such a huge drop off at the PG. Raymond Felton had the most horrible season of his career and Beno was just bad. Shump also regressed to the point where it was hard to justify keeping him on the court. I expect JR to have a better overall season next year now that he's healthy. I don't think it would take a whole lot for us to make the playoffs next year while preserving cap space for 2015as long we have a decent PG, Shump bounces to being just a bad offensive player and JR is healthy.
I didnt think these guys would be this bad, but I knew they were worse, and the main reason being, there are no winning players, nor leaders on the team who've won and led by their merit.....even last years team was heavily flawed, and that was with intelligent veterans.
To me it's not an individual player thing, this team was built wrong, and it started when they basically let it be known they were NOT going to address the pg position properly, threw consecutive middle fingers up to defense and rebounding by acquiring arguably the worst signing of the season by far, and duplicated the same feat through the draft.
Everything else was a pile on to an already bad start to a season.
knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
Papabear Says
It Amare would have been playing like he is playing now for the whole season we would have made the playoffs hands down.
Papabear wrote:knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
Papabear Says
It Amare would have been playing like he is playing now for the whole season we would have made the playoffs hands down.
that was damn near impossible.
tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!
I didnt watch but if wade was playing they wanted the win.
CrushAlot wrote:tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!
I didnt watch but if wade was playing they wanted the win.
Wade played to get his timing back. He played well but his timing was off. Miami looked like they were sleep walking for a lot of the game.
Atlanta certainly wanted it more.
the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.
hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.
Papabear wrote:knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
Papabear Says
It Amare would have been playing like he is playing now for the whole season we would have made the playoffs hands down.
Didnt prevent them last year, and he missed half the year...so it's safe to...it aint because of amare.
dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.
If Kidd coached this sorry squad he would have been fired already.
Displaced blame, cmon.
2 words - guard play.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.
If Kidd coached this sorry squad he would have been fired already.
Displaced blame, cmon.
2 words - guard play.
The only reason why Woodson is still here is because of his CAA affiliation....but what dk is saying for the most part is correct.
The team has no on court direction and leadership which they had quite a bit of last season in Kidd Sheed and Kurt especially.
dk7th wrote:the biggest issue was the leadership vacuum and when there is a leadership vacuum you have underachievement and worse, implosion. the knicks franchise had no leadership. melo is no leader. woodson is no leader. mills and houston are no leaders. dolan is no leader.hence implosion. a collective like a ball club needs health and order coming from the top down or from the bottom up. last year the health and order was from the bottom up and represented in the person of jason kidd. that leadership has now been verified by the success he has had as a coach of a very synergistic brooklyn team, who we should be proud to have represent the city in the playoffs. my hat's off to them. they are a very good team.
So true... you hit the nail on the head.. lack of leadership had this team doomed from the start..
Papabear wrote:knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
Papabear Says
It Amare would have been playing like he is playing now for the whole season we would have made the playoffs hands down.
well we might as well add in.. what if Al Horford didn't get hurt for the hawks?
Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
exactly. i hate pierce. and really... heat couldn't beat the hawks. i bet the hawks won't win even 1 game in the playoffs.
tkf wrote:Papabear wrote:BRIGGS wrote:The way many teams in the east are playing right now we might've had our chances. We kind of blew it. Lost year.
Papabear Says
Well we blew it but the ass holes like Brooklyn and the Heat didnt even put up a fight against Atlanta..
did you watch the games? the heat played hard tonight... wade came out on fire...Atlanta took care of business.. stop expecting other teams to do the knicks dirty work!!!
gimme a fuckkkin break, i saw the game... the heat did not play hard. they were playing tentative at best.
Papabear wrote:knickscity wrote:This is the one time I hate to be right, but I told you guys this team was NOT better than last years.....and now thats official.Enough with names and on paper talent, hopefully Phil will build an actual team, and not this "clumsy roster" that was on the court this season.
Papabear Says
It Amare would have been playing like he is playing now for the whole season we would have made the playoffs hands down.
did Woody tie his hands when he said he was ready...?
