Knicks · If we used Cole Aldrich 20-22mts a night (page 1)

all year we wouldve been atleast 41-41. We made a big mistake not using him early on with Chandler hurt

Agree. Hope he is back next year.

Wow.

And Tyler and Toure!

CrushAlot wrote:Wow.

Wow was meant for the shump dunk. Thought I was in the game thread

agreed.

Just another reason I won't miss this coach.

I don't know about that, but if Kmart played all season we would probably have around 45 wins. It's really a shame what happened to him, I often forget he's on the team and he's one of my favorite Knicks. He would have given us far more than Tysoft, a real defensive anchor with strong passing ability. Maybe Aldrich can continue to grow, but he's still not starter quality.

Don't think he was calling him starting material; more that this team lacked an inside presence while Chandler was gone. I think it lacked it with Chandler playing as well.

Kmart would've definitely been a catalyst for a playoff run. Even Artest said he was the most important player on this roster.

Watching Mozgov right now looking like a very capable C just sucks.

Dagger wrote:I don't know about that, but if Kmart played all season we would probably have around 45 wins. It's really a shame what happened to him, I often forget he's on the team and he's one of my favorite Knicks. He would have given us far more than Tysoft, a real defensive anchor with strong passing ability. Maybe Aldrich can continue to grow, but he's still not starter quality.

Agree about Kmart. When healthy he is the Knicks best big.

The coach is an utter moron. Most of us have been calling to give him minutes since we first saw him out there.
On top of it, look what happens when Toure gets minutes (3 steals) - must put pressure on the ball.

Thanks Woodson,
Knick Fans

Hahah..Yeah right..I remember Jorts having a good game and the board wanted him starting over Amare...This isn't a rookie, this is his 4th year...

Think we also need a bigger big so to speak, Plumlee made him look like a SF out there. I'm not opposed to bringing Aldrich back but I'd like to find a replacement for Chandler as well. As good as Cole is playing now, he ain't it.

Cole has gotten raw deal his whole career. He's always produced when given minutes but never been given consistent minutes. He was a great pickup by Mills. I just wish we had a team option for a 2nd year (and ideally even a 3rd year) for him. How much can we give him as an FA? I hope no one steals him from us.

CrushAlot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wow.

Wow was meant for the shump dunk. Thought I was in the game thread

LOL! Did you have multiple tabs open at once? We've all done that.

earthmansurfer wrote:The coach is an utter moron. Most of us have been calling to give him minutes since we first saw him out there.
On top of it, look what happens when Toure gets minutes (3 steals) - must put pressure on the ball.

Thanks Woodson,
Knick Fans

Look what happened when Murry got minutes in other games.

I thought the reason we stunk was pg and Michael Woodson was a coaching genius?

Really proud of Cole. He really closed out the season strong. I think Phil will like what he's seen from the young man.

BRIGGS wrote:all year we wouldve been atleast 41-41. We made a big mistake not using him early on with Chandler hurt

Agreed , Here i freaking go again, ITS ALL ON Stubborn Woodson no trust to young guys NOR brains

Was a bad miss not to use Cole. Guy can clearly play. Not the ideal athlete, but he's a banger and his size is very useable.

VDesai wrote:Was a bad miss not to use Cole. Guy can clearly play. Not the ideal athlete, but he's a banger and his size is very useable.

It was clearly one of Woody's bigger mistakes...Go look at some of his Kansas clips -- dude was even more impactful. Body looked at little more toned and he appeared even quicker and more athletic. If you look at him now compared to then, there's not a huge difference physically but it's noticeable: he's a bit more frumpy now and a little less forceful/take charge...Tell ya what though, the current version of Cole -- he's still capable of producing at a high level even slipping back physically at little since college...He can easily get back there. if he does, we'll see an even better player imo...Being on your 4th team in 4 years or whatever can take the wind outta your sails a little I guess. Maybe he slipped a little with the diet and trainin/conditioning programs...Bottom line: this guy's a keeper. It's clear as day, esp. for the modest salary he'll command...His exit interview needs to go something like this: "We want you back and are preparing an offer. Please come back ready to assume a more important role next year. Expect to be a rotation player next season; a least 25 mins a night. We need you even stronger, toned up with improved conditioning. I wanna see you in the best shape of your life come next year." I don't wanna see this guy get away..

At the very least, provided we can't come up with something better, gimmie the following rotation at the 5-spot for next year and I'll be fine (assuming we do deal Tyson Chandler):

• Cole Aldrich retained
• Marcus Cousin signed - this guy's 7' 255 and a surprisingly decent offensive player we could get real cheap. Would provide a nice contrast to Cole. Very good shooter, plus he can also rebound fairly well.
• Daniel Orton signed as the 3rd C (would also see some time at the 4) - dude's still very intriguing - has a lot more potential than Jeremy Tyler imo, esp. as a defender/rebounder. Another guy that would come dirt cheap. Dude could be the next Kendrick Perkins. Better than that maybe. Would be a much better investment over Jeremy Tyler imho..

Finestrg wrote:

VDesai wrote:Was a bad miss not to use Cole. Guy can clearly play. Not the ideal athlete, but he's a banger and his size is very useable.

It was clearly one of Woody's bigger mistakes...Go look at some of his Kansas clips -- dude was even more impactful. Body looked at little more toned and he appeared even quicker and more athletic. If you look at him now compared to then, there's not a huge difference physically but it's noticeable: he's a bit more frumpy now and a little less forceful/take charge...Tell ya what though, the current version of Cole -- he's still capable of producing at a high level even slipping back physically at little since college...He can easily get back there. if he does, we'll see an even better player imo...Being on your 4th team in 4 years or whatever can take the wind outta your sails a little I guess. Maybe he slipped a little with the diet and trainin/conditioning programs...Bottom line: this guy's a keeper. It's clear as day, esp. for the modest salary he'll command...His exit interview needs to go something like this: "We want you back and are preparing an offer. Please come back ready to assume a more important role next year. Expect to be a rotation player next season; a least 25 mins a night. We need you even stronger, toned up with improved conditioning. I wanna see you in the best shape of your life come next year." I don't wanna see this guy get away..

At the very least, provided we can't come up with something better, gimmie the following rotation at the 5-spot for next year and I'll be fine (assuming we do deal Tyson Chandler):

• Cole Aldrich retained
• Marcus Cousin signed - this guy's 7' 255 and a surprisingly decent offensive player we could get real cheap. Would provide a nice contrast to Cole. Very good shooter, plus he can also rebound fairly well.
• Daniel Orton signed as the 3rd C (would also see some time at the 4) - dude's still very intriguing - has a lot more potential than Jeremy Tyler imo, esp. as a defender/rebounder. Another guy that would come dirt cheap. Dude could be the next Kendrick Perkins. Better than that maybe. Would be a much better investment over Jeremy Tyler imho..

Totally agree with the above

Another PF/C I would love is Jordan Henriquez, who was cut buy the Houston Rockets prior to the season/summer
His combination of length, athleticism, and youth, would be a great development project

Some other solid players at the 4/5 I would look at for the vet min include
Chris Johnson (ex Twolve) and Greg Stimensa, a gamble would be Andrew Bynum (though at the vet min is a great risk/reward)

I still love getting Jamalle Haigens with a 2 year deal starting for next season
I see him somewhere between Trevor Booker, Kmart, and a solid rotational F that can do a bit of everything on both ends
Though if players like Trevor Booker, Dejuan Blair, and some other solid PF's are available at the vet min would be cheap talents and we would know would be the safe bet
However, I do believe Haigens has the ability to grow/develop in to a player with a greater upside

I was hoping we grab James Johnson but I think Memphis will retain him, if he is not I would offer him a 2 year guaranteed vet min deal
We don't have a legit SF, always playing 2 SG's, causing mismatches on top of our backup PG's that cannot defend their own position

All Unrestricted FA's
On a side note, I wonder what players like

Pau Gasol (likely at least the 5m+ MLE or greater)

Jordan Hill (above the vet min)

(unsure where they stand but are worth more than the vet min)

Chris Kaman

Kris Humphries
Dejuan Blaire

Dante Cunningham
Trevor Booker