Knicks · Steve Kerr, really? (page 7)

Last year is last year.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Uptown wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:Jordan sucked before phil jax he dropped buckets but couldnt win in a peanut race

Jordan sucked, Melo sucks, Chandler sucks....You really need to take a long break from the board. You add nothing....

How many playoffs series does Jordan win before Phil?

Can't believe I'm allowing myself to get sucked into this debate...okay, I'll play along. For three straight years, prior to the Bulls winning the 'ship, they lost to the eventual champion Pistons twice in the conference finals, and once in the semis. The year before Phil, they had the Pistons on the ropes (in the ECF) until Pippen wilted under the pressure with the infamous Migraine....

gunsnewing wrote:Talk to me once the Indiana/Atlanta series is over. I'm not going to throw away Vogels accomplishments after 1 game. Finished 3rd in the east last year and 1st this year.

Indiana took the Heat to 7 last year. Hibbert was a beast throughout the playoffs in large part due to Vogel. Nevermind the development of George and Stephenson

Bird said he backs Vogel 100%. Having to make that statement generally isn't good.

As much as I despise the Nyets, you have to leave anything but tempored praise for Coach Kidd at the feet of said hate. I can't totally diss a guy who canned Larry Frank.

I would prefer a Cleamons to a Kerr any day, but that's just irrational Knicksdom speaking. MJax was a horrendous analyst, as far as listenability goes. Kerr sounds a bit more erudite, and he's at least not going to hear anything new and unusual from PJax he hasn't heard before. The last thing we want as Knick fans is to have a coach who reacts to PJax the same way our owner does.

So we have the leader board spots filled, how about some dark horses? Anyone up for the possibility of the return of Jeff Van Gundy?

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Cosign. Got it!

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You two lovebirds got anything else?

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Here's one way of looking at this issue.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...
Whether being a great coach in any way translates to being a great GM/President is unclear though.

Good article, thanks. Although Jim O'Brien at #4 sort of skews the results a bit.

I just think it would go a long way if PJax had just one non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq chip or even dragged a non-optimal crew to a Finals. His non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq record is not terribly brilliant.

misterearl wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You got anything else?

Frank Vogel .625 winning percentage as pacers head coach. Yet the past is irrelevant for him, but the most important factor in defending Woodson. The facts betray you, I find it humorous when people severely change their arguments to match an agenda...

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Here's one way of looking at this issue.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...
Whether being a great coach in any way translates to being a great GM/President is unclear though.

Good article, thanks. Although Jim O'Brien at #4 sort of skews the results a bit.

I just think it would go a long way if PJax had just one non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq chip or even dragged a non-optimal crew to a Finals. His non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq record is not terribly brilliant.

This is about context. For Woodson to have thrived in New York, and delivered playoffs wins, where none existed for a decade, is worth recognition.

If Pacers lose game 2 to the Hawks, Indiana will not be singing Vogel's praises so loudly as you are now.

misterearl wrote:Dagger - I could care less about the Pacers. In the context of the Knicks franchise, for whom Frank Vogel has never worked, he is irrelevant.

This is about context. For Woodson to have thrived in New York, and delivered playoffs wins, where none existed for a decade, is worth recognition.

If Pacers lose game 2 to the Hawks, Indiana will not be singing Vogel's praises so loudly as you are now.

I'm not singing Vogel much praise, I want the Hawks to win since I'm currently living in Atlanta and would like to attend a playoff game. It's more about just not liking when people use an argument in one scenario (to defend a coach they like) and then say something like "the past is past" when talking about someone they don't like. I probably wouldn't care that much, but the chanting of 54 wins by you and some others this season, all while the walls were crumbling down around this team, struck me as so incorrect that I couldn't help but notice when you tried to turn the tables.

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Dagger wrote:

misterearl wrote:gunsnewing - the pacers body language and cohesiveness has been poor for a while now and everyone knows it. It's not just one game.

Last year is last year.

But it didn't seem like "last year was last year" when you supported Woodson this season.,chanting 54 wins at every opportunity, as he was flailing like a fish out of water.So now the past is past? Got it...

Dagger - "Mike Woodson owns the third highest regular-season winning percentage (.580) in franchise history, behind Pat Riley (.680) and Jeff Van Gundy (.590). In the immortal words of the longtime Knicks fan John McEnroe: big deal. At the World’s Most Famous Arena, coaching fame is indisputably fleeting." - Harvey Araton, NYTimes

You got anything else?

Frank Vogel .625 winning percentage as pacers head coach. Yet the past is irrelevant for him, but the most important factor in defending Woodson. The facts betray you, I find it humorous when people severely change their arguments to match an agenda...

.625 and he developed these players. He didn't inherit overpriced FA's

misterearl wrote:Dagger - I could care less about the Pacers. In the context of the Knicks franchise, for whom Frank Vogel has never worked, he is irrelevant.

This is about context. For Woodson to have thrived in New York, and delivered playoffs wins, where none existed for a decade, is worth recognition.

If Pacers lose game 2 to the Hawks, Indiana will not be singing Vogel's praises so loudly as you are now.

Will you finally pay Vogel his dues if Indy wins game 2?

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Jackson's EVOLUTION as GOAT is based entirely on the supernatural selection of MJ and Kobe/Shaq. Do we have the greatest coach ever as GM or the greatest assessor of possible winning situations that just happened to pan out?

Here's one way of looking at this issue.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...
Whether being a great coach in any way translates to being a great GM/President is unclear though.

Good article, thanks. Although Jim O'Brien at #4 sort of skews the results a bit.

I just think it would go a long way if PJax had just one non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq chip or even dragged a non-optimal crew to a Finals. His non-MJ/Kobe/Shaq record is not terribly brilliant.

When was that? I don't remember him ever not having one of those three but I haven't looked closely

Ummmm, Jordan retired, remember? Shaq got traded to Miami. I just closed the Basketball Reference pages that had all those seasons up. Second round was about as far as he got. Some first rounds and out, too.

There were seasons where he didn't win it all with MJ or just Kobe.

Q. gunsnewing - Will you finally pay Vogel his dues if Indy wins game 2?

A. With his stacked roster, I'll give Vogel $200 of Monopoly money when he beats Miami.

Bird/Vogel
Riley/spoeltra
Jackson/Kerr

It's great when front office and coach are on the same page!

gunsnewing - the fact is that Indy is expected to challenge for EC crown. Vogel has done an excellent job to get the pacers to the doorstep.

If they struggle with the putrid Atlanta Hawks, the seeds of doubt will be reinforced. If lose this first round series it will not be pretty.

gunsnewing wrote:Woodson says go get me his player do you trust him?

Not at all!
Woody made lots of injuries excuses... for JR Smith n Raymond Felton, 2 guys whom stunk n sunk yo boats mike!
Simply stated. Sure he was lame duck.

But u ask yo self 'go get me his playa'
You think for a sec woody go to team mgt to flipping help himself keep his job by going to mills/Dolan?
To say ' I need a pg'? ....
Gimme a guy whom can do dirty work, boards loose balls?
Don't ever NEVER said or give impression that his current team never had enough to win games! More so versus the weaker NBA teams
You CANNOT lose to Bucks, 76ers n King's n Pelicans at your NY gym! How simpler stated can that be!

woody is part of this blame game , he don't even seem like a guy/coach who was bussinghis a_ss to try n win thus keep his job
Until last 3 weeks of march 2014.

No sense of trusts among team players are all Woodson's fault. Whole season lost ain't 100% mikes fault it ain't never 1 coach or players
To blame.