The obvious votes is typical. Sell low and buy high is the hindsight of the fan.
Felton to the second unit, rehab Bargs into the system, and Zen mind control for JR.
The talent is there.
Nalod wrote:The obvious votes is typical. Sell low and buy high is the hindsight of the fan.Felton to the second unit, rehab Bargs into the system, and Zen mind control for JR.
The talent is there.
I think this year was classic Knicks.. plenty of talent, no direction or team concept and its impossible to win in the NBA like that. Impossible.
And Shump's stock is even higher than Mooby's!
Felton's stock is lower than Dolan's! Unreal. The original lead chip in the Melo-forced-his-way-here-gutting-the-team debacle.
So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
GOTTA LOVE KNICK FANS... haha..
I said trash them all.... clean sweep....
jrodmc wrote:And Shump's stock is even higher than Mooby's!
Felton's stock is lower than Dolan's! Unreal. The original lead chip in the Melo-forced-his-way-here-gutting-the-team debacle.
I think Shump breaks out nexst year. If for no other reason than to screw us in FA when he's on the market along with all the other stars that are coming to NYC lol
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
Expected by almost all the metrics analysts...
Hmmmm...fans want Fatton and Bargs gone. I get that. I don't understand the hatred for KMart. I also don't understand why its 50/50 for JR. JR should be gone.
Trashed everybody except 6 guys (Melo, THJ, JR, Felton, Cole, and Tyler). The first 3 I think we can build around and if he can keep his head on straight JR's contract is a bargain by league standards. Felton is not moveable without taking back a worse contract so I said keep him under the assumption that he would be in a bench role. Cole and Tyler I like as bench players at the right price.
NYKBocker wrote:Hmmmm...fans want Fatton and Bargs gone. I get that. I don't understand the hatred for KMart. I also don't understand why its 50/50 for JR. JR should be gone.
My guess is it's not hatred. They just feel he's not worth a roster spot anymore.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Trashed everybody except 6 guys (Melo, THJ, JR, Felton, Cole, and Tyler). The first 3 I think we can build around and if he can keep his head on straight JR's contract is a bargain by league standards. Felton is not moveable without taking back a worse contract so I said keep him under the assumption that he would be in a bench role. Cole and Tyler I like as bench players at the right price.
you think amare can be moved?
Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
Expected by almost all the metrics analysts...
show me. Ive seen one, and that guy got the Knicks right and was totally wrong on everyone else. So if your going to show me a guy who got the Knicks right but looks like he flung poo on the wall with everone else not impressed.
SI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131025/nba-2014-picks-kevin-durant-lebron-james/
A few of them had the Knicks has a team likely to flop.... with 45-50 wins. Didnt you BLAST me for predicting 50 wins, only have predicted 46 yourself there metrics boy? Pretty sure thats how it went down... I didnt bookmark it though, sorry
tkf wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
GOTTA LOVE KNICK FANS... haha..
I said trash them all.... clean sweep....
like sweeping trolls off the forums... I agree.
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
I like how your "three straight years in the playoffs" conveniently ignores the first two years we barely made it in as an 8 and 7 seed with records barely over .500
fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
Expected by almost all the metrics analysts...
show me. Ive seen one, and that guy got the Knicks right and was totally wrong on everyone else. So if your going to show me a guy who got the Knicks right but looks like he flung poo on the wall with everone else not impressed.SI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131025/nba-2014-picks-kevin-durant-lebron-james/
A few of them had the Knicks has a team likely to flop.... with 45-50 wins. Didnt you BLAST me for predicting 50 wins, only have predicted 46 yourself there metrics boy? Pretty sure thats how it went down... I didnt bookmark it though, sorry
I didn't bookmark it either but I posted a table a while ago of all the 2012-13 and 2013-14 predictions. Now (for some reason) I'm finding it easier to find the 2012-13 than 2013-14 ones in Google searching. I'll look more later but none of them were off by as much as the fans here were for this year.
Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
Expected by almost all the metrics analysts...
show me. Ive seen one, and that guy got the Knicks right and was totally wrong on everyone else. So if your going to show me a guy who got the Knicks right but looks like he flung poo on the wall with everone else not impressed.SI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131025/nba-2014-picks-kevin-durant-lebron-james/
A few of them had the Knicks has a team likely to flop.... with 45-50 wins. Didnt you BLAST me for predicting 50 wins, only have predicted 46 yourself there metrics boy? Pretty sure thats how it went down... I didnt bookmark it though, sorry
I didn't bookmark it either but I posted a table a while ago of all the 2012-13 and 2013-14 predictions. Now (for some reason) I'm finding it easier to find the 2012-13 than 2013-14 ones in Google searching. I'll look more later but none of them were off by as much as the fans here were for this year.
Win shares had 43 wins - off by 6 isn't that bad, and Schoene had 37 (although it has a mixed reputation).
WS:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1i8...I'm still trying to find the table I posted a while ago since it had all the major metrics
VCoug wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
I like how your "three straight years in the playoffs" conveniently ignores the first two years we barely made it in as an 8 and 7 seed with records barely over .500
Yeah, and he also conveniently ignored the "team" we fielded that first year. I mean, who couldn't do better than .600 with the likes of Fishlips!
Yeah, and he also conveniently ignored the third year we barely won in the first round by 4 straight and we got swept in 6 games in the second round!
VCoug wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:So we have a team that was expected to and then actually played at a .450 level. And the fans want like 90% of the players back?!
I put keep him for 3 of the 15.
expected by who? That was a 54 win team. The expectation was they would be in the playoffs again and win the Atlantic. Three straight years in the playoffs and you (and others) act like this is a perrenial lottery team and people shouldnt be suprised. Melo's first losing season in a decade in the NBA and first time he's missed the playoffs. For you stat heads thats called a "one off"
I like how your "three straight years in the playoffs" conveniently ignores the first two years we barely made it in as an 8 and 7 seed with records barely over .500
Im glad you like it. Here's more for you to like:
4 years prior to Melo trade: 29 wins
4 years since Melo trade: 45 wins
Is 45 wins good? Exciting? The goal? All Ive ever hoped for? No... despite TFK telling you thats how folks who dont hate Melo feel its not the case. Knicks have gotten better since adding a star player. They have a lot MORE ground to cover. Thats why Phil is here... erase the one-off disaster this year was an take Knicks to the next level. That would be competing with the top seeds and winning the division again.
Not hard to see. Unless your blinded by hate for a certain player, then all you will see is hate. If you dont hate and have been watching you will have noticed one player has been very productive over those last 4 years and one player only. We need to get better, much better and there is a lot of dead weight on this roster. There is talent to work with though.
