mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Knixkik wrote:Gotta love how quickly things change. One minute Hibbert is the run-a-way DPOY and a guy that every championship team needs and Indiana is the model franchise. Next minute no one wants Hibbert and Indiana is a joke.
WHEN did the pacers become a joke?
I guess the same time the knicks became the model of how to build a franchise?
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
In the long run the indy pair because George could possibly go to another level offensively if he tightens up his game. I would worry about his defense if Hibbert is gone though.
The worse outcome would be Lowry and george together although Lowry can be a fickle guy and chemisry is already an issue in Indy.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
In the long run the indy pair because George could possibly go to another level offensively if he tightens up his game. I would worry about his defense if Hibbert is gone though.
The worse outcome would be Lowry and george together although Lowry can be a fickle guy and chemisry is already an issue in Indy.
well ... I might agree with you just because I really don't like Derozen's game. He is JR Smith that gets to the line (which makes his overall efficiency much less bad). 45% from 2 and 30% from 3 is BAD.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:KNICKSdom wrote:Did the Pacers become the #1 seed without Hibbert? Hibbert is an efficient and effective down low center. Rare, they don't grow on trees. I think pacers signing Bynum was toxic to Hibbert in practices. Just saying.
Hibbert is neither efficient nor effective. People get pissy over Melo's play, despite his career TS% and eFG% being 54.7% and 48.3% respectively. Mind you, Melo is a perimeter player and of average NBA height. Meanwhile Hibbert's career TS% and eFG% are 51.3% and 46.8% as the tallest player in the NBA. And as far as his effectiveness goes, the guy averages just 11.6ppg and 7.2rpg, albeit as a good defender (under certain conditions). The dude has always been grossly overrated and is a prime candidate of a player that gets hyped because he is on a winning team.
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Swishfm3 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:NardDogNation wrote:KNICKSdom wrote:Did the Pacers become the #1 seed without Hibbert? Hibbert is an efficient and effective down low center. Rare, they don't grow on trees. I think pacers signing Bynum was toxic to Hibbert in practices. Just saying.
Hibbert is neither efficient nor effective. People get pissy over Melo's play, despite his career TS% and eFG% being 54.7% and 48.3% respectively. Mind you, Melo is a perimeter player and of average NBA height. Meanwhile Hibbert's career TS% and eFG% are 51.3% and 46.8% as the tallest player in the NBA. And as far as his effectiveness goes, the guy averages just 11.6ppg and 7.2rpg, albeit as a good defender (under certain conditions). The dude has always been grossly overrated and is a prime candidate of a player that gets hyped because he is on a winning team.
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mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
Lowry wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year. I don't see much a difference between Derozan or Lance in terms of their level. Stephenson could be better. There's not a huge margin between the two. They're only a year apart in age.
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
KNICKSdom wrote:Did the Pacers become the #1 seed without Hibbert? Hibbert is an efficient and effective down low center. Rare, they don't grow on trees. I think pacers signing Bynum was toxic to Hibbert in practices. Just saying.
Hibbert is anything but efficient.
mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
Yeah, but not top 10 good. I'll use Ty Lawson as an example as PG who usually in or around the top 10. This is the first season that Lowry has played better than Lawson, for whatever reason. This is the only season where I can look at Lowry and say should've been an All Star. Will he keep that up next year? I don't know. But if I had to guess, I'd say no.
BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
Yeah, but not top 10 good. I'll use Ty Lawson as an example as PG who usually in or around the top 10. This is the first season that Lowry has played better than Lawson, for whatever reason. This is the only season where I can look at Lowry and say should've been an All Star. Will he keep that up next year? I don't know. But if I had to guess, I'd say no.
Lawson is good too. Not as good defensively.
A lot has to do with playing time. As I have said, Lowry has always put up good numbers. His efficiency is very slightly up this year.
mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
Yeah, but not top 10 good. I'll use Ty Lawson as an example as PG who usually in or around the top 10. This is the first season that Lowry has played better than Lawson, for whatever reason. This is the only season where I can look at Lowry and say should've been an All Star. Will he keep that up next year? I don't know. But if I had to guess, I'd say no.
Lawson is good too. Not as good defensively.
A lot has to do with playing time. As I have said, Lowry has always put up good numbers. His efficiency is very slightly up this year.
See that's what you are adding(defense) with Lowry that makes his avg TS% okay to bank on. Lowry plays D and rebounds well for his position plus he is an adequate passer. I don't think Lowry is a 10M player but he is worth 7-8M a year.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
In the long run the indy pair because George could possibly go to another level offensively if he tightens up his game. I would worry about his defense if Hibbert is gone though.
The worse outcome would be Lowry and george together although Lowry can be a fickle guy and chemisry is already an issue in Indy.
well ... I might agree with you just because I really don't like Derozen's game. He is JR Smith that gets to the line (which makes his overall efficiency much less bad). 45% from 2 and 30% from 3 is BAD.
JR is the better shooter and has actually had efficient seasons. I think Jr needs to be a starter between two high usg players to keep the ball out of his hands.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
In the long run the indy pair because George could possibly go to another level offensively if he tightens up his game. I would worry about his defense if Hibbert is gone though.
The worse outcome would be Lowry and george together although Lowry can be a fickle guy and chemisry is already an issue in Indy.
well ... I might agree with you just because I really don't like Derozen's game. He is JR Smith that gets to the line (which makes his overall efficiency much less bad). 45% from 2 and 30% from 3 is BAD.
JR is the better shooter and has actually had efficient seasons. I think Jr needs to be a starter between two high usg players to keep the ball out of his hands.
JR is supremely talented in every part of the game, he is just an idiot who takes idiotic shots. My comparison was because Demar takes many of these same dumb "nick young" type of shots.
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
Yeah, but not top 10 good. I'll use Ty Lawson as an example as PG who usually in or around the top 10. This is the first season that Lowry has played better than Lawson, for whatever reason. This is the only season where I can look at Lowry and say should've been an All Star. Will he keep that up next year? I don't know. But if I had to guess, I'd say no.
Lawson is good too. Not as good defensively.
A lot has to do with playing time. As I have said, Lowry has always put up good numbers. His efficiency is very slightly up this year.
See that's what you are adding(defense) with Lowry that makes his avg TS% okay to bank on. Lowry plays D and rebounds well for his position plus he is an adequate passer. I don't think Lowry is a 10M player but he is worth 7-8M a year.
I think that Lowry may be worth 10m.
Also, his TS is not avg, it well above average for a point guard.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
In the long run the indy pair because George could possibly go to another level offensively if he tightens up his game. I would worry about his defense if Hibbert is gone though.
The worse outcome would be Lowry and george together although Lowry can be a fickle guy and chemisry is already an issue in Indy.
well ... I might agree with you just because I really don't like Derozen's game. He is JR Smith that gets to the line (which makes his overall efficiency much less bad). 45% from 2 and 30% from 3 is BAD.
JR is the better shooter and has actually had efficient seasons. I think Jr needs to be a starter between two high usg players to keep the ball out of his hands.
JR is supremely talented in every part of the game, he is just an idiot who takes idiotic shots. My comparison was because Demar takes many of these same dumb "nick young" type of shots.
True. I think Woody hurt him and his trip in China where he did anything that he wanted.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:One thing that does scare me about Indy is that they could be in play for Lowry. If Toronto traded Lowry I am not sure they would take back Hill though. I think George Hill would make a great triangle pg.
Toronto is keeping Lowry. How would they justify trading him now? The city is going nuts over him and the raptors.
If they lose the rest of their games and I think Ujiri wants to bottom out. Just a feeling. He will try to fleece someone into taking Derozen too.
Derozen and Lowry for PaullyG and Hibbert
who wins?
Toronto. It's debatable whether Derozan is better than Stephenson and it's unknown if Lowry is going to play at this level next year or revert to form. .
Return to form? "form" was good before this year.
Stephenson is a head case and is also still young but if he continues to play like he did this year then he is the better player.
He wasn't a top 10, possible top 5 PG last year. He wasn't even a starter by the end of last year.
those are coaches decisions (and they are often dumb ones). His numbers were always good.
Yeah, but not top 10 good. I'll use Ty Lawson as an example as PG who usually in or around the top 10. This is the first season that Lowry has played better than Lawson, for whatever reason. This is the only season where I can look at Lowry and say should've been an All Star. Will he keep that up next year? I don't know. But if I had to guess, I'd say no.
Lawson is good too. Not as good defensively.
A lot has to do with playing time. As I have said, Lowry has always put up good numbers. His efficiency is very slightly up this year.
See that's what you are adding(defense) with Lowry that makes his avg TS% okay to bank on. Lowry plays D and rebounds well for his position plus he is an adequate passer. I don't think Lowry is a 10M player but he is worth 7-8M a year.
I think that Lowry may be worth 10m.
Also, his TS is not avg, it well above average for a point guard.
I was referring to league avg so that's good to know. What is the avg TS for Pgs over the past few years? DO you know?
