Knicks · steve kerr wants 5 years $30 mil (page 6)
holfresh wrote:If I'm Melo, I want the max...Thankfully Phil seems to want him to atke a paycut which is the right move
sidsanders wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Nalod wrote:holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...
If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.
Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?
We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.
Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.
BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.
He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...
I'd bet his ownership stake with the Suns is more than what he's made as a player and he actually helped Sarver BUY the Suns, no different than the lifetime checks he likely gets from that "situation" with his dad's assassination overseas.Kerr aint struggling.
i bolded that part cuz im not sure folks know that or recall it about kerr. if they think the pressure of ny will get to him, i dont think it would. dude dealt with terrorism way before it really hit home in nyc. he was taunted by college kids about it as well.
that said, it doesnt mean he will do well or fail as a coach. nor does it mean he should get that much $. he seems to have gotten a lot of respect for his understanding of the game from other execs and fellow players. can that translate as a coach? i think thats why hes the flavor of the day.
Totally agree. And yeah, there was a purpose of why I posted that part...it's two fold. tells a little about him, but from a personal level his family is literally set for life.
knickscity wrote:sidsanders wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Nalod wrote:holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...
If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.
Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?
We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.
Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.
BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.
He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...
I'd bet his ownership stake with the Suns is more than what he's made as a player and he actually helped Sarver BUY the Suns, no different than the lifetime checks he likely gets from that "situation" with his dad's assassination overseas.Kerr aint struggling.
i bolded that part cuz im not sure folks know that or recall it about kerr. if they think the pressure of ny will get to him, i dont think it would. dude dealt with terrorism way before it really hit home in nyc. he was taunted by college kids about it as well.
that said, it doesnt mean he will do well or fail as a coach. nor does it mean he should get that much $. he seems to have gotten a lot of respect for his understanding of the game from other execs and fellow players. can that translate as a coach? i think thats why hes the flavor of the day.
Totally agree. And yeah, there was a purpose of why I posted that part...it's two fold. tells a little about him, but from a personal level his family is literally set for life.
Your and my set for life is totally different than basketball players set for life...
holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...
Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...
i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:sidsanders wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Nalod wrote:holfresh wrote:It's a money grab plain and simple...Kerr is living a modest life for a former NBA player with 5 rings...This is his shot to get paid and get paid big..This is more money than he has earned in his career as a player...He wants to go Hollywood...It's all good because I would do it too..Just don't tell me you are here to "change the culture" and "it's about winning" because you are doing what everyone else before you has done...Rape Dolan for as much as you can get...
If Melo walks, this is a 28 win team at best, triangle or no triangle...And if I'm Melo, I want as much as I can get too...Where do you come up with this? He has a big job being on the top NBA announce team and has 6 months off. How do you know his financial status and level of motivation? His kids are at the age he feels its ok to move on. Daughter plays volleyball at Cali and Son hoop at San Diego State. He is not a big contributor on the team and maybe he is moving further down the bench. We don't know much about his famlily life, or financial holdings to even begin to speculate and have a valid opinion.
Then to just say "get hoilberg" because he might be a little less money? Why? They both got good hair?
We only know Kerr has not coached for family reasons and now that he is considering it he has at least 3 teams interested in him. He could even have been considered for some others as well.
Given that, he can ask for big money. Lets see what he gets.
BTW, if it works, who cares what he gets paid. It has no bearing on salary cap or Melo at all.
He has earned 15 mil in his career as a player, which means if he is smart, he still has about 5 mil left after taxes, maybe..5 mil ain't what it used to be...U can't ball with that in today's world...
I'd bet his ownership stake with the Suns is more than what he's made as a player and he actually helped Sarver BUY the Suns, no different than the lifetime checks he likely gets from that "situation" with his dad's assassination overseas.Kerr aint struggling.
i bolded that part cuz im not sure folks know that or recall it about kerr. if they think the pressure of ny will get to him, i dont think it would. dude dealt with terrorism way before it really hit home in nyc. he was taunted by college kids about it as well.
that said, it doesnt mean he will do well or fail as a coach. nor does it mean he should get that much $. he seems to have gotten a lot of respect for his understanding of the game from other execs and fellow players. can that translate as a coach? i think thats why hes the flavor of the day.
Totally agree. And yeah, there was a purpose of why I posted that part...it's two fold. tells a little about him, but from a personal level his family is literally set for life.Your and my set for life is totally different than basketball players set for life...
No it really isnt.
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..
Very true, and if he doesn't Phil will trade him. I hope he does, means team starting over. Chandler will follow.
sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..
Melo cant get max from the Lakers.....sorry fail again.
holfresh wrote:sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
They already have sent a credible message...when melo called Lin's contract "ridiculous"...they didnt match.
if a player is worried about what the front office makes, his focus is in the wrong place.
But i get it, it's all about melo to you.
Until this organization establishes its credibility, the team will have to overpay for top flight talent. As also mentioned, this has no bearing on the cap whatsoever. You ant to counter offer, cool. If you want to make it rain for Steve Kerr -- fine -- because he's essentially going to carry out Phil's objectives. If Phil wasn't here I would feel completely different about the number.
martin wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..Very true, and if he doesn't Phil will trade him. I hope he does, means team starting over. Chandler will follow.
Phil is what 69 years old..He is looking to rebuild??...After the money grab, outside of Melo, who will he convince to take less to come here..
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
They already have sent a credible message...when melo called Lin's contract "ridiculous"...they didnt match.if a player is worried about what the front office makes, his focus is in the wrong place.
But i get it, it's all about melo to you.
The focus is alway money...Changing the culture means the focus is on winning...FO is coming up empty on that front..
martin wrote:Agreed.holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..Very true, and if he doesn't Phil will trade him. I hope he does, means team starting over. Chandler will follow.
holfresh wrote:sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?
anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.
holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..Very true, and if he doesn't Phil will trade him. I hope he does, means team starting over. Chandler will follow.
Phil is what 69 years old..He is looking to rebuild??...After the money grab, outside of Melo, who will he convince to take less to come here..
If the team is good, no convincing will be needed, players always migrate to good teams, and they take less if need be.
holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...Who determines "overpaid"...posters on a message board?
Your point doesnt make any sense and you know it.....players have to take less now because of the cba structure but mostly importantly the salary cap.
Your issue is you want management to operate under the same guidelines as frontline employees.
That doesnt happen not matter what the job is....the player agreed to that, they agreed to penalize their own teams with ridiculous luxury taxes for paying them.
Hell, they agreed to the salary cap.
Melo doesn't have to take less..Lakers will pay him what he wants tomorrow..Very true, and if he doesn't Phil will trade him. I hope he does, means team starting over. Chandler will follow.
Phil is what 69 years old..He is looking to rebuild??...After the money grab, outside of Melo, who will he convince to take less to come here..
Why are you bringing up Phil's age? Has nothing to do with anything. I don't know who Phil can convince but the precedent has already been set that it can - and with the best players in the league - and should be done if you want to win.
If Melo is traded Knicks will have plenty of space in 2015. You can look up the FGA list yourself, plenty to choose from.
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
They already have sent a credible message...when melo called Lin's contract "ridiculous"...they didnt match.if a player is worried about what the front office makes, his focus is in the wrong place.
But i get it, it's all about melo to you.
The focus is alway money...Changing the culture means the focus is on winning...FO is coming up empty on that front..
Hiring Phil is coming up short? Allowing him to hire what he needs is coming up short? didnt realize the season started and ended already.
sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:sidsanders wrote:holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.
i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.
Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...
so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?
anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.
Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...