Knicks · How much Kerr gets (page 2)

misterearl wrote:knickscity - church videos on company time?

What was Mark Jackson's relationship with his players again?

Did they win more basketball games every year of his tenure, or were they sliding backwards?

Church videos? is that the best you got?

Church videos? How silly is that?

Why was he fired after accomplishing all that? Doesn't getting canned immediately after so much success beg the question of exactly what his short comings were?

I am biased but Jackson is apparently fervently religious and yet still kept a mistress something certainly against gods word in any Christian denomination. No thanks to phoney hypocrite preacher types. Just those facts along disqualifies Jackson for me.

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:knickscity - church videos on company time?

What was Mark Jackson's relationship with his players again?

Did they win more basketball games every year of his tenure, or were they sliding backwards?

Church videos? is that the best you got?

Church videos? How silly is that?

Why was he fired after accomplishing all that? Doesn't getting canned immediately after so much success beg the question of exactly what his short comings were?

I am biased but Jackson is apparently fervently religious and yet still kept a mistress something certainly against gods word in any Christian denomination. No thanks to phoney hypocrite preacher types. Just those facts along disqualifies Jackson for me.

Not sure about all the stuff with Mark. He is one of my all time favorite Knicks and I really wanted him in ny as the coach when mike d was hired. One thing I did hear was tat Jax brought in an assistant that divided the coaching staff and has done that in the past on other staffs. I don't which assistant but the guy that told me about it has nba connections in the bay area. He also may have just read it somewhere.

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:H1AND1 - you never answered the question. Do you prefer a head coach with family ties to another city, or one who is based in New York year round?

Just curious

I could care less where the coach is from. He could be from Mars for all I care. Doesn't matter to me and since when is being from a certain city give you any leg up coaching?

H1AND1 - the question was not one of origin, it was one of residence. Please read carefully.

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:H1AND1 - you never answered the question. Do you prefer a head coach with family ties to another city, or one who is based in New York year round?

Just curious

I could care less where the coach is from. He could be from Mars for all I care. Doesn't matter to me and since when is being from a certain city give you any leg up coaching?

H1AND1 - the question was not one of origin, it was one of residence. Please read carefully.

Yes, sorry I wasn't clear. Still doesn't matter to me. My expectation is if someone accepts a job coaching an NBA team for big money and it happens to be somewhere different than where they currently reside they understand the ramifications of having to relocate or spend time away from home. This is pretty obvious stuff here. Are you implying it's normal for a coach to accept a position then regularly be absent because you want to chillax at home? That's kinda ridicukous and has nothing whatsoever to do with anything in my opinion.

Mark Jackson isn't from nor did he live in the Bay Area how on earth did he succeed so well there? Was that just a fluke then?

Also: Care to explain why you think Jackson was fired after so much success?

as i said earlier in this thread.. who cares what the coach gets? the money is coming straight out of dolans pockets and has no effect on ANYTHING to do with the team. if it takes a couple extra million for phil to get his guy, why would anyone really care how much kerr gets paid? it really doesn't matter at all...

It seems that when everything comes to Knicks, it becomes weird and money wise. Everything is wrong, if not perfect.

Jeff Van Gundy says it best.

Q. H1AND1: Care to explain why you think Jackson was fired after so much success?

A. You are fired (or hired) for one of two reasons..."winning or relationships."

Mark Jackson was fired for his relationships. The Kerr hire is about a relationship.

Winning is more important to The Answer Man.

What has Mark Jackson won? 0 rings

What has Steve Kerr won? 0 games.

misterearl wrote:What has Steve Kerr won? 0 games.

Earl, back when we hired D'antoni, did you want Jackson instead? Because his situation then is no different then Kerr's now.

Let's Go To The Videotape

TeamBall - I wanted Mark Jackson over Mike D'Antoni. Based on some reports, and their relationship in Indiana, I have a feeling Donnie Walsh was seriously considering Mark Jackson as well.

The difference is the sickening hype for, and fawning over, Kerr.

misterearl wrote:Let's Go To The Videotape

TeamBall - I wanted Mark Jackson over Mike D'Antoni. Based on some reports, and their relationship in Indiana, I have a feeling Donnie Walsh was seriously considering Mark Jackson as well.

The difference is the sickening hype for, and fawning over, Kerr.

You could have said the same about Jackson then. Went straight from commentating to wanting to be a head coach without being an assistant first. At least D'antoni had success with the Suns.

But I don't see any "hype" for Kerr really. I think most people trust Phil. If Phil wants Kerr then people, myself included, trust it.

I haven't read this entire thread, but please can we hire this guy already and move on. It doesn't matter what coaching experience the coach has, as long as he has a high basketball IQ and a solid relationship with Phil.....Nobody else fits that requirement for Phil.....That's what it's all about, relationships....as somebody already stated. And that's true in any business capacity. With Phils coaching background, Kerr has all the holes filled up, as long as Phil is the Knicks GM. After he gets his feet wet with the Knicks, I can see him moving over to the bay area later in his career. But right now, this might be the safest place for Kerr to gain some coaching experience, while literally holding Phils hand.

Also, whats the point about talking money? It doesn't affect the cap. Why would Melo want to ask for more? Players fall under different financial rules, so if Melo wants a championship in NYC, he has to take a pay cut.....It's that simple! Phil will attract talent, as you can see already. So Melo is in a safe place if he stays. If he goes, it's like starting all over again. Miami is the only safe option for Melo.....Otherwise he will retire a knick. Phil and Kerr will create the best system around Melo. And I'm sure his best friend Kobe has already provided confirmation on Phils triangle success.

It really doesn't matter who the coach is as long as it's not a retread. Guys like Kerr and fisher work because they are familiar with Phil's system and basketball principles and can be molded like Riley did for Spoeltra early on

gunsnewing wrote:It really doesn't matter who the coach is as long as it's not a retread. Guys like Kerr and fisher work because they are familiar with Phil's system and basketball principles and can be molded like Riley did for Spoeltra early on

Earl,

Its obvious your a big MJax fan but sponership of Donnie was not as strong as Phil even though the circumstances are similar.

It might have even been as much that he is a charasmatic christian and that itself might have been seen as a negative. Charlie Ward's circle of prayer was ok but when his comments extended to his beliefs it was not always consistant with the image an entertaintment company wants to have. MJax might have been stepping over the line a bit internally and its obvious he has had some personel issues.

How does that translate to on the court performance? Not sure it really had a big impact, but the owner of the team thought (from waht I have read) that his passions might have been elsewhere at times and perhaps the team could have done better.

But, you can go to bat all day for MJax but Kerr is the guy Phil wants.

Retreads sometimes work good. Larry Brown has been retreaded and succeeded as did Rick Carlisle! Knicks want who they want.

Maybe earl you can go in to greater detail about why you have such distain for Kerr?

Retreads work when they are in sync with the front office. Phil & Mark have nothing in common.

Question Earl? Do you know Mark Jackson wants the Knicks job and is ok working under Phil? Simple question...

Nalod - the distain I have is for the ridiculous amount of fanfare for Kerr. Granted, the influence of Uncle Phil, and their relationship, and the power of the New York media machine - when was there EVER so much hype (and salary demand) over a first-time head coach?

The precedent is staggering.

In the immortal words of Dennis Green, "If you want to crown his ass, then crown him..." Home has not won over a single professional basketball player as an assistant or a head man, at any level. Not a high school, college or DLeague. Kerr needs to show me something other than some rings from the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls.

Pardon me if I am not jumping on his bandwagon before he rolls out he ball racks.

misterearl wrote:Nalod - the distain I have is for the ridiculous amount of fanfare for Kerr. Granted, the influence of Uncle Phil, and their relationship, and the power of the New York media machine - when was there EVER so much hype (and salary demand) over a first-time head coach?

The precedent is staggering.

In the immortal words of Dennis Green, "If you want to crown his ass, then crown him..." Home has not won over a single professional basketball player as an assistant or a head man, at any level. Not a high school, college or DLeague. Kerr needs to show me something other than some rings from the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls.

Pardon me if I am not jumping on his bandwagon before he rolls out he ball racks.

Maybe I'm missing something or haven't read all the numerous Kerr threads....But I haven't seen this enormous fan fare. Just old grumpy Knick fans hungry for positive NEWS that leads to a championship. I think the only people that are hyping up Kerr is the NY MEDIA....

TeamBall wrote:

misterearl wrote:Let's Go To The Videotape

TeamBall - I wanted Mark Jackson over Mike D'Antoni. Based on some reports, and their relationship in Indiana, I have a feeling Donnie Walsh was seriously considering Mark Jackson as well.

The difference is the sickening hype for, and fawning over, Kerr.

You could have said the same about Jackson then. Went straight from commentating to wanting to be a head coach without being an assistant first. At least D'antoni had success with the Suns.

But I don't see any "hype" for Kerr really. I think most people trust Phil. If Phil wants Kerr then people, myself included, trust it.

It was different...I too wanted Jackson..Jackson would have been tow years away from a 26 year old LeBron James, should he picked NY..Melo is 30..Melo and his team is in a win now mode ...Jackson would have two years plus a younger player..If Jackson stunk he could have been replaced two years later before signing Bron..If Kerr stinks with Melo, it's over...

misterearl wrote:Nalod - the distain I have is for the ridiculous amount of fanfare for Kerr. Granted, the influence of Uncle Phil, and their relationship, and the power of the New York media machine - when was there EVER so much hype (and salary demand) over a first-time head coach?

The precedent is staggering.

In the immortal words of Dennis Green, "If you want to crown his ass, then crown him..." Home has not won over a single professional basketball player as an assistant or a head man, at any level. Not a high school, college or DLeague. Kerr needs to show me something other than some rings from the Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls.

Pardon me if I am not jumping on his bandwagon before he rolls out he ball racks.

Pardon granted!!!! Thanks for the response. I can see your point. BTW, has anyone ever paid a GM 12mil before? Epic freaking starphuch the PhilJax to NY thing was! Its NY media and the knicks!

My take is Phil had great on court productive relatoinships with Krause and Kupchek. As PHils bling grew in Chicago it stands to reason in his 9 years there his juice card got filled and had more say in roster contruction. In Lakerland, it also is logical he had it negotiated in as well!

Who phil wants to be his on floor general is very important. Pay a man 12 mil a year and give him the tools to succeed. If paying above market rate is what it takes, I suppose its just the cost of doing business. Freaking Nets are on the hook for 6million to Lawrence Frank to be Kidds head assistant! Put that on Kidds salary package and it adds up.

ONe has little to do with the other but its a billion dollar corp. and you want to attract talent in what has been a historically dysfuncitonal organization and a blood thirsty media complex I'd say if you want a guy that has a market (in demand) I think a premium is logical. Thats my justification and the ease by which to spend ohters money on the internet!

Sometimes you pay up for the right circumstances. Knicks piss money on far worse things than paying up for a quality person to be its rookie head coach. Think of the failed moves to clear cap space for Lebron, and in his place we burned it on Amare? Look how we over paid for Amare? 20-40million is my guess! Not to count the cost of Larry Hughes, Mcgrady, or who ever!

We over paid for Melo, but there are many who feel it was justified and a minority who things it was silly.

I suppose You now have your "Thing" going forward if Kerr and the knicks don't succeed! The rest of us have to defend him and preach "patience"!!!!

misterearl wrote:Jeff Van Gundy says it best.

Q. H1AND1: Care to explain why you think Jackson was fired after so much success?

A. You are fired (or hired) for one of two reasons..."winning or relationships."

Mark Jackson was fired for his relationships. The Kerr hire is about a relationship.

Winning is more important to The Answer Man.

Winning, yes. Of course. Wouldn't that be nice?

By the way, I am in no way "fawning" over Kerr and I really don't get the impression people here are fawning over Kerr. This is really simple for me: The Knicks brought in Phil Jackson to mold the organization and the team as he see fit. If Kerr is his guy, then Kerr is his guy. I am not going to second guess Phil until some time passes and we have evidence with which to judge PJax's tenure. For now, if he wants Kerr then I want Kerr, experience be damned. Obviously Phil has a plan here whether it works or not is what we will see play out over the next couple of years.

Answer Man: It's just very, very clear that Mark Jackson is _NOT_ on the short list for the Knicks coaching vacancy. He is receiving absolutely no consideration according to the scuttlebutt. It just ain't going to happen. PJax has his mind set on Kerr for whatever reason. I just find it kind've perplexing that you continue to champion Mark Jackson when it's not even a remote possibility. Why not just trust in Phil for the time being and second guess later? Do you not trust Phil Freakin' Jackson's judgement that Kerr would be a good coach?