I for one am very disappointed at not getting Steve Kerr because I think it sends a number of disturbing signals. A few things that immediately jump out to me:
1.) It seems as though James Dolan might not have given Phil his free reign over the team after all. We lost out to the Warriors, in part, due to the fact that we refused to give Kerr a guaranteed 4th year, let alone 5th year that the Warriors gave him. That wreaks of Dolan mettling in the negotiation process because why would Phil give a shit about how much of Dolan's money he'd spend? And if Dolan interfered with this deal, whose to stop him from doing so in other deals?
2.) Steve Kerr was a bosom buddy of Phil's. If Phil couldn't get a good friend to join this freak show, what luck is he going to have getting a star to come to NY in 2015 who he has no rapport with?
3.) On that same note, what sway is he going to have in convincing Melo to stay, if it is assumed that bulletpoints one and two are true?
4.) The beauty about our pursuit of Steve Kerr wasn't just about him being a bright basketball mind. The allure associated with his hiring, involved the fact that Steve had some decent experience in running team operations as well, which would've also made him the heir apparent to succeed Phil when he retired from basketball operations. Now, we're left with a guy who has no front office experience, no heir apparent and no other known confidantes to help him with day-to-day decisions.
5.) Steve Kerr had no coaching experience and yet he was the best of the bunch as far as the "triangle" crew goes in the league. With him out of the picture, are there even any other qualified candidates left to do the job?
None of this stuff is very settling and has me a bit worried about what comes next. Phil's tenure here might be just another bad chapter in the tragedy known as the Knicks. The only thing that might make this worthwhile is if Phil goes back to the bench to coach. That'll give us a shot in the arm but long-term, I don't see it being a solution.
Kerr has teenage kids why relocate the family now?
It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.
Right. I wanted Kerr but only if he was a 100% committed. He clearly wasn't so I'm glad he chose GS
gunsnewing wrote:Kerr has teenage kids why relocate the family now?
Because they are teenagers and it's time to take the tit out of their mouths. When I was their age teen, I was boning my girlfriend on the regular and worked after school. They can handle their Dad being gone a few weeks out of the year. Besides, aren't most of his kids in college/going to college?
Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.
Other candidates like who? Phil's circle is very limited. That's what makes this news so bothersome to me.
Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.
poor form LOL. way to twist it.
he turned the knicks down because he wants to work in california with younger and better talent... the end.
NardDogNation wrote:Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.
Other candidates like who? Phil's circle is very limited. That's what makes this news so bothersome to me.
Well firstly, Fisher can do exactly what Kerr would have done and has better connections to pretty much every player through his work with NBAPA. The other candidates such as JVG, Karl, Hollins, or even Rivers if he leaves the Clippers are not in Phil's circle, but that does not mean they are not options. Phil could also pull a college coach that he likes, the opportunity to work under arguably the most successful coach of all time, most young ambitious NCAA coaches would have to be nuts to turn that down.
dk7th wrote:Dagger wrote:It's just Steve Kerr, pull yourself together, the only thing that this guy had going for him is that Phil wanted him. Giving a first time head coach 30 million is poor form, I don't care who's money it is. This isn't like missing out on a big free agent signing, there are plenty of other candidates available.
poor form LOL. way to twist it.
he turned the knicks down because he wants to work in california with younger and better talent... the end.
Or he couldn't handle the pressure of NYC, or he only wanted the money.
from alan hahn:
The key quote in rookie coach Steve Kerr's explanation of why he didn't take the Knicks job: "I think they're going to turn it around, but going to be a big undertaking and it's going to take time. The idea of doing that 3,000 miles from home, it just didn't feel right."
doesn't seem like it has to do with anything other than kerr wanting to be on the west coast.
on one hand, its just steve kerr (an unproven coach with no track record except for as a GM)
on the other hand, he was recruited by phil (his old coach and friend) to run the knicks with lots of $$$ and even HE SAID NO
lets look at potential reasons why
- superstar might leave
- old and overpaid stars
- baby sitting JR
- the pressure of NYC
- DOLAN!!
Let's flip it and think about how Kerr screwed up:
1) NY is potentially one year away from a clean slate. Maybe even a team with a discounted Melo and the cap space and flexibility to get him a partner and some significant other tools to be a contender. A team built in Phil's image and that Kerr could have developed. GS has it's team in place and expectations, which leads to...
2) GS just fired the coach that has given them the most success they've had in decades. It's not like they lost to a bad team, the Clippers faltered a bit and then were empowered by Sterling's stupidity and prejudice. They are an elite team and I'm not sure the Warriors are just yet. This is not an organization that has done well by its coaches.
3) As such Kerr isn't likely to get any leeway and has actually more pressure than he would in NY to maintain a high success level in what is historically the better conference. Anything less than a second round berth would be a failure.
4) No mentorship from Phil. That alone would theoretically be worth its experience weight in gold.
I don't know that his rejecting NY will have any effect on the Knicks. But I we'll certainly see how things play out for him in GS. That said, unlike Marc Jackson I have no interest in Kerr or the Warriors (though I'd like to see Lee succeed), so I won't be keeping any sort of track.
if family was a motivator I highly respect Kerr for staying closer to home. You dont get their teen years or any years back. Yes there is money, but family is more important. Its not even close. Good for Kerr is thats the case, it certainly makes sense.
NardDogNation wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Kerr has teenage kids why relocate the family now?
Because they are teenagers and it's time to take the tit out of their mouths. When I was their age teen, I was boning my girlfriend on the regular and worked after school. They can handle their Dad being gone a few weeks out of the year. Besides, aren't most of his kids in college/going to college?
Your future kids salute you and your arrested adolescent approach to 21st century parenting.
Exactly Fish could be why he never got into coaching until now at 48. Too much of a daily grind if you want to be there for most of your kids lives. You don't get those years back
nyk4ever wrote:from alan hahn:The key quote in rookie coach Steve Kerr's explanation of why he didn't take the Knicks job: "I think they're going to turn it around, but going to be a big undertaking and it's going to take time. The idea of doing that 3,000 miles from home, it just didn't feel right."
doesn't seem like it has to do with anything other than kerr wanting to be on the west coast.
Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings....nothing more than feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings....
And why take the chance of failing at something difficult and much more pressure packed far from home when you could do it in your own backyard?
Steph Curry, Andrew "Bropez" Bogut, Iggy and DLee are the only folks locked up through 2015/16.
Best Wishes.
I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.
I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.
I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)
Markji wrote:I don't think family is the "main" reason Kerr took GS offer. San Francisco is 500 miles from San Diego. Yes they are in the same time zone, which makes it easier but to put this in perspective 500 miles south from Manhattan brings you to Raleigh - Durham North Carolina. Not isn't being close to one's family.I think the real reasons have already been stated:
1. The money
2. GS has a solid team while the Knicks don't. And no cap space and no draft picks
3. Dolan's reputation.
I think Kerr considered the Knicks because of Phil Jackson. But the GS offer was too much to pass up (due to pts 1 and 2)
3,000 miles and 500 miles. Math isn't really your thing, is it?
fishmike wrote:if family was a motivator I highly respect Kerr for staying closer to home. You dont get their teen years or any years back. Yes there is money, but family is more important. Its not even close. Good for Kerr is thats the case, it certainly makes sense.
If you not willing to leave the WC than why even entertain offer from the Knicks. Oh yeah create competition to get more money. I'm actually glad he turned the Knicks down he will be a middle of the pack coach.
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:if family was a motivator I highly respect Kerr for staying closer to home. You dont get their teen years or any years back. Yes there is money, but family is more important. Its not even close. Good for Kerr is thats the case, it certainly makes sense.
If you not willing to leave the WC than why even entertain offer from the Knicks. Oh yeah create competition to get more money. I'm actually glad he turned the Knicks down he will be a middle of the pack coach.
Maybe he was coming thinking it was his only option at the time. Then GS fired Mark was fired and GS expressed interest
Mountains out of mole hills.
Kerr took the job he preferred. No sense reading into it anything more. Sure , the Knicks have Dolan to lament about. But if you think PJ is now abandoning all hope because his plan A didn't play out, you're a goofball.
It's on to plan B. Sheesh.
