Knicks · Would you want westbrook as your pg (page 3)

EnySpree wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:the spurs ball movement is like no other in the league, parker is just like billups was in detroit, knowing when to score when to pass, and since the ball moves quite well in San an, his assist are going to be relatively low since his pass leads to another pass for a wide open shot.

exactly-- walt frazier is my favorite point guard all time but his assists were never that high because he played on teams back in that era that prized teamwork predicated on passing and cutting. clearly the precursor to the spurs we see today.

tony parker's ballhandling is without equal today and that includes nash and chris paul. what is missed about parker is that in spite of relatively low assist numbers he is still a sublime orchestrator if for no other reason he is able to maintain his dribble like nash used to do.

Kyrie Irving is tops...

tony parker doesn't waste moves or hold the ball....that's the difference in winning and losing at the pg spot

That's not true there are times get frustrated with his dribble dribble dribble routine and either takes him out or brings someone(manu)in to orchestrate.

I think OKC almost had the spurs model roster wise but they chose not to pay luxury taxes. I think they need better coaching too and put in a system to help Westbrook and Durant.

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mreinman wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I like him- I hate the way people give Durant a pass and blame Westbrook every playoffs. Westbrook has had some monster games and hit some crazy clutch shots in these playoffs. Why don't you look at how the rest of the Thunder players are playing.

Westbrook has a school yard game....same with Durrant and reggie jackson. They need a structured system to elevate their game.

I would agree. Westbrook is a talented yet scattered player that plays with too much emotion and Durant really needs a post game so that he can get doubled more and get his teammates more open looks.

Are you saying that they need a real coach? Scottie Brooks coaching style is a work in progress. The team also had some bad luck this year with the Ibaka injury. What happened to Perry Jones's development. Adams is year or two away from being dependable and Jeremy Lamb has disappeared. Someone has to shoot on that team!

I don't know if its the coaches fault but why does Durant not post up Tony Allen who he has 6-8 inches on? And someone has to slow Westbrook down when he is not shooting well.

Bad luck with Ibaka but the coach needs some blame too. Not sure how much he actually deserves.

A lot of coaches have to keep their star players happy (their jobs depend on it) so they allow them to play their game to their strengths.

Pop, Riley and Phil, have won multiple rings with ball dominating super star players. But there philosophy is, my super stars will take the shot, but im going to run plays where all his teammates are involve and depending on the defense.

My point guard no matter how good he is, will be 3rd option at best unless he's scorching hot.

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

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And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

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And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

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I believe it was said he was getting on Durant about his defensive rotations. Also, watching the game it didn't look like much but maybe it got more heated on the sideline. Either way they both were shooting horribly but at least one was trying on D.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

Oh crap! Maybe Fisher can get him to fire them.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

I thought durant was with Jay Z and his rock nation agency, and KD is not that much different from melo

knicks1248 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

I thought durant was with Jay Z and his rock nation agency, and KD is not that much different from melo

You are kidding me right?
MVP of the season, multiple scoring titles, insane range/length/handle, and still YOUNG and not reached his prime while Melo is likely going down from here

LBJ and Durant are both on their own Islands and are legit SF/PF's with G abilities
While CA is best played at PF but is unable to even defend SF's effectively because of his lack of speed/quickness
IF anything CA is a tweener that is best played at PF at his age and Durant is basically a 7 footer with the with length/athleticism that is a nightmare to defend with 1 player that is a SF that can play much more positions

Not a knock at CA by any means but comparing KD to Carmelo at their point of careers, age, physical abilities, and accomplishments is NOT even comparable
CA is a high volume scorer, not an ELITE player that you can build around your franchise as the centered piece

That comment is basically saying Kmart and Carmelo are basically the same players

or

Jared Jeffries is basically STAT

One carried his team, even without Westbrook as a TOP TEAM in the Western Conference while CA carried us to the lottery, put CA with the injuries Durant had on that team and you would get much different results

If anything Scott Brooks is more comparable to Woodson in adjustments/lack of play calling with less favoritism of players and willing to let the younger talents develop

RonRon wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

I thought durant was with Jay Z and his rock nation agency, and KD is not that much different from melo

You are kidding me right?
MVP of the season, multiple scoring titles, insane range/length/handle, and still YOUNG and not reached his prime while Melo is likely going down from here

LBJ and Durant are both on their own Islands and are legit SF/PF's with G abilities
While CA is best played at PF but is unable to even defend SF's effectively because of his lack of speed/quickness
IF anything CA is a tweener that is best played at PF at his age and Durant is basically a 7 footer with the with length/athleticism that is a nightmare to defend with 1 player that is a SF that can play much more positions

Not a knock at CA by any means but comparing KD to Carmelo at their point of careers, age, physical abilities, and accomplishments is NOT even comparable
CA is a high volume scorer, not an ELITE player that you can build around your franchise as the centered piece

That comment is basically saying Kmart and Carmelo are basically the same players

or

Jared Jeffries is basically STAT

One carried his team, even without Westbrook as a TOP TEAM in the Western Conference while CA carried us to the lottery, put CA with the injuries Durant had on that team and you would get much different results

If anything Scott Brooks is more comparable to Woodson in adjustments/lack of play calling with less favoritism of players and willing to let the younger talents develop

these dudes were 1 and 2 top scorers in the league 2 yrs running, their both Iso players, west brook got hurt in the playoffs, and okc was toast litle after..google any top player in the league on guarding melo or durant, all of whom said melo is a nightmare..be serious..besides i didn't say they were exactly alike.

also this it's about melo, it's about scoring PG's

RonRon wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

I thought durant was with Jay Z and his rock nation agency, and KD is not that much different from melo

You are kidding me right?
MVP of the season, multiple scoring titles, insane range/length/handle, and still YOUNG and not reached his prime while Melo is likely going down from here

LBJ and Durant are both on their own Islands and are legit SF/PF's with G abilities
While CA is best played at PF but is unable to even defend SF's effectively because of his lack of speed/quickness
IF anything CA is a tweener that is best played at PF at his age and Durant is basically a 7 footer with the with length/athleticism that is a nightmare to defend with 1 player that is a SF that can play much more positions

Not a knock at CA by any means but comparing KD to Carmelo at their point of careers, age, physical abilities, and accomplishments is NOT even comparable
CA is a high volume scorer, not an ELITE player that you can build around your franchise as the centered piece

That comment is basically saying Kmart and Carmelo are basically the same players

or

Jared Jeffries is basically STAT

One carried his team, even without Westbrook as a TOP TEAM in the Western Conference while CA carried us to the lottery, put CA with the injuries Durant had on that team and you would get much different results

If anything Scott Brooks is more comparable to Woodson in adjustments/lack of play calling with less favoritism of players and willing to let the younger talents develop

excellent insights!

knicks1248 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:Westbrook screaming at Durant yesterday. Things are going to get ugly. Guy is 7-24 and he is yelling at Durant.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/as-thunder-...

And knick fans think his crying means he's a lock to stay in okc.....lmao. I play with Westbrook type guards all the time. They don't change until they get injured. Come on home KD...to a real system and a market that will elevate his status even more. When bron is old and slow....KD will be king of NY.

You know what? Maybe Fisher would be a big draw for him. I don't care that much for Fisher and don't think KD will leave OKC but maybe we would then have a small shot.

Durant is a CAA guy I thought Knicks fans hated those guys.

I thought durant was with Jay Z and his rock nation agency, and KD is not that much different from melo

You are kidding me right?
MVP of the season, multiple scoring titles, insane range/length/handle, and still YOUNG and not reached his prime while Melo is likely going down from here

LBJ and Durant are both on their own Islands and are legit SF/PF's with G abilities
While CA is best played at PF but is unable to even defend SF's effectively because of his lack of speed/quickness
IF anything CA is a tweener that is best played at PF at his age and Durant is basically a 7 footer with the with length/athleticism that is a nightmare to defend with 1 player that is a SF that can play much more positions

Not a knock at CA by any means but comparing KD to Carmelo at their point of careers, age, physical abilities, and accomplishments is NOT even comparable
CA is a high volume scorer, not an ELITE player that you can build around your franchise as the centered piece

That comment is basically saying Kmart and Carmelo are basically the same players

or

Jared Jeffries is basically STAT

One carried his team, even without Westbrook as a TOP TEAM in the Western Conference while CA carried us to the lottery, put CA with the injuries Durant had on that team and you would get much different results

If anything Scott Brooks is more comparable to Woodson in adjustments/lack of play calling with less favoritism of players and willing to let the younger talents develop

these dudes were 1 and 2 top scorers in the league 2 yrs running, their both Iso players, west brook got hurt in the playoffs, and okc was toast litle after..google any top player in the league on guarding melo or durant, all of whom said melo is a nightmare..be serious..besides i didn't say they were exactly alike.

also this it's about melo, it's about scoring PG's

knicks1248 wrote:If west brook can play like he did last night, San an has no shot

he gets paid to play at this level no question.

WP76 wrote:Say what you will about Durant and Westbrook but they're better than anyone on NY's current roster.

WP76 wrote:Say what you will about Durant and Westbrook but they're better than anyone on NY's current roster.

I doubt that, when JR (he's not a pg so i wouldn't expect him to facilitate) is playing at a high level he's just as good as westbrook, and melo can score with anybody on the planet, and i'll take tyson over perkins and adams any day of the wk.

The difference is ibaka, make no mistake about, on both ends