Knicks · Source: Chicago Is Most Likely Option for Melo (page 2)

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Melo really is the one calling the shots because there is no sign and trade without his approval. If he doesn't agree, it won't matter what the Bulls want.

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

If the Bulls were the only player then yes.. but they arent. If the Bulls are going to offer a dogpile deal then you get nice and cozy with Houston and see what they have... or another team. Lucky for the Knicks Melo has a couple good suitors whom hopefully drive up the price.

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

There is still the money issue. You would think that Melo wants to get his money and he can this via Sign and Trade.

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Their owner has been notoriously cheap, which makes it unlikely that he'll eat Boozer's contract. Even if they did, they'd only have $17 million in cap space to work with (cap holds factored in) and Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Tony Snell, Jimmy Butler, Mike Dunleavy, Greg Smith, their two first round picks and Taj Gibson under contract.

Let's pretend for a second that Melo would be willing to sign with them for $17 million/yr, they would still have to flesh out the rest of their team with only a $3 million exception to work with. Not only is it improbable but it hardly makes them a contender, at a time when Melo wants to win now. So unless they trade Taj Gibson, which is counterproductive, I don't see how they'd be able to afford Melo and build their team. Trading for Melo is not a luxury for them, it is a must.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

If the Bulls were the only player then yes.. but they arent. If the Bulls are going to offer a dogpile deal then you get nice and cozy with Houston and see what they have... or another team. Lucky for the Knicks Melo has a couple good suitors whom hopefully drive up the price.

They can get Cozy but what if Melo says no then what?

NYKBocker wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

There is still the money issue. You would think that Melo wants to get his money and he can this via Sign and Trade.

You are right about this. A S&T helps Melo and Chicago fill out the rest of their roster but it is not a necessity. With a S&T the Bulls would get to keep their exceptions and give Melo $6M more.

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Exactly. People want us to get Chicago's prospects and picks and to get rid of JR and Felton?!

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

If the Bulls were the only player then yes.. but they arent. If the Bulls are going to offer a dogpile deal then you get nice and cozy with Houston and see what they have... or another team. Lucky for the Knicks Melo has a couple good suitors whom hopefully drive up the price.

Yep- also as NardDogNation said, their owner is tight and we'd be saving them $17mil by taking on Boozers contract. Furthermore, if they wanted to sign Melo outright, they'd have to trade away Taj Gibson anyways- so they can either give him to us (or Mirotic) and save the Boozer money, or they can eat Boozers contract and trade away Taj anyways.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

If the Bulls were the only player then yes.. but they arent. If the Bulls are going to offer a dogpile deal then you get nice and cozy with Houston and see what they have... or another team. Lucky for the Knicks Melo has a couple good suitors whom hopefully drive up the price.

They can get Cozy but what if Melo says no then what?

If Melo says no to what? I mean there is always risk he says Bulls or nothing, at which point you make it as tough on Chi as possible. Let the rest of the league fleece them while they essentially pay Melo $35mm next year. Chi ownership isnt like Dolan

BRIGGS wrote:If we do get the two picks if Nurkic falls and we cna get Nurkic and one of either Hairston or Warren--we'd do well. I think Nurkic is going to be very good--he's very very skilled albeit 19 with a nasty streak and 280 pounds with agility. If we are going to do a semi rebuild getting a 280 pd skill C and a wing with 20+ pt capabilities would be fantastic

If we get those picks, then we need to expand our sights beyond PJ Hairston. Anyone from Kyle Anderson and Elfrid Payton could drop to us. We can't be caught off guard. I like what I've seen from Nurkic's YouTube clips, but he's no rim protector. You'd probably need to pair him up with shot blocking 4.

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Exactly. Boozer, both picks, Butler and Mirotic is a pipe dreams. The best case scenario is another team emerges but even then once Melo decided hell only sign in X city our leverage goes out the window.and yes I understand dealing with us is the best option for the Bulls. But at the end of the day once Melo picks Chicago can simply give us a lesser deal than what he'd fetch on the open trade market.

It's unfortunate but true: The Bulls being able to sign Melo outright is a huge weapon in these negotiations and while it's not preferable for either team and at the end of the day a deal will likely be reached but we have to temper our expectations. This isn't a player forcing a trade while still under contract.

H1AND1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Exactly. Boozer, both picks, Butler and Mirotic is a pipe dreams. The best case scenario is another team emerges but even then once Melo decided hell only sign in X city our leverage goes out the window.and yes I understand dealing with us is the best option for the Bulls. But at the end of the day once Melo picks Chicago can simply give us a lesser deal than what he'd fetch on the open trade market.

It's unfortunate but true: The Bulls being able to sign Melo outright is a huge weapon in these negotiations and while it's not preferable for either team and at the end of the day a deal will likely be reached but we have to temper our expectations. This isn't a player forcing a trade while still under contract.

Dude, Melo isn't signing with the Bulls for $17 million per because that is all they'd have to offer him after amnestying Boozer. They need to trade with us to get him at the salary he wants or face gutting their team, which would nullify the point in him going. We don't have great leverage but we certainly have good enough leverage to get multiple assets back from the Bulls.

H1AND1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People expecting a great haul do not understand that Chicago has all the leverage if Melo wants to leave. They do not have to get rid of Gibson. They do not have to even trade Boozer. All they have to say is take Boozer, Dunleavy, and a pick or two. You either take what we want or we amnesty Boozer and work around you.

Exactly. Boozer, both picks, Butler and Mirotic is a pipe dreams. The best case scenario is another team emerges but even then once Melo decided hell only sign in X city our leverage goes out the window.and yes I understand dealing with us is the best option for the Bulls. But at the end of the day once Melo picks Chicago can simply give us a lesser deal than what he'd fetch on the open trade market.

It's unfortunate but true: The Bulls being able to sign Melo outright is a huge weapon in these negotiations and while it's not preferable for either team and at the end of the day a deal will likely be reached but we have to temper our expectations. This isn't a player forcing a trade while still under contract.

But to sign him outright they have to trade away Taj Gibson, Amnesty Boozer and trade away either the picks or some of their younger players, just to get the cap space. May as well just deal with us and save $17mil

Unless the Bulls have already cleared the space, they have no leverage over the Knicks, as they can't sign him outright. So, stop using that as an excuse on why the Bulls have us by the nuts.

ONLY, if they clear the space over the weekend or Melo demands a trade to Chi-town, will they have some leverage. Leverage didn't do the Knicks much good when he demanded to come here.

S&T him to the Bulls, Boozer, Butler or Gibson, Dunleavy or Fredette, rights to Mirotic, one or both picks, send whoever needs to go with Melo to make the numbers work. Do not send SHUMP. The last thing we need is for the Bulls D to tougher, maybe JR if they'll take him. Cole/Tyler can go if needed. NO THJR, period. Melo is coming off the best 2 years of his career at his current age, so yes we can ask for a lot and expect to get a lot.

Felton needs to be moved with Tyson, doubt the Bulls will take on that mess. Despite being cap relief, I still don't see dumping Amare, even if he plays like an allstar in Melo's departure.

I prefer trading with GS, don't have to deal with Melo, and I like the talent they offered for Love. Or a 3 team deal with NYK and either Chi, Minn, or GS. I do like how it is sounding like Melo won't leave us high and dry, same pattern as when he left Denver.

If he leaves us hanging, talk about one of the most if not the most hated people in NY sports history. He demanded to come here and strip our team of depth/young talent. Leaving us with nothing during his departure would be a slap in the face and criminal.

P.S. Melo wants to get paid. The Knicks will not be tanking under Phil & company. He is just one year from team financial freedom and like Riley will retool/reshape the roster to compete, then win a ring.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Boozer and a mid round picks is better than nothing although we still should have taken care if this at teh deadline. Im glad Phil is trying to get a few picks

I would insist they add either Mirotic or Taj Gibson too

You can insist but they don't have too. If they really want to play hard ball they can instead offer Tony Snell instead of the picks. You say no they walk away with Melo anyway by amnestying boozer and trading Dunleavy for nothing.

If the Bulls were the only player then yes.. but they arent. If the Bulls are going to offer a dogpile deal then you get nice and cozy with Houston and see what they have... or another team. Lucky for the Knicks Melo has a couple good suitors whom hopefully drive up the price.

They can get Cozy but what if Melo says no then what?

If Melo says no to what? I mean there is always risk he says Bulls or nothing, at which point you make it as tough on Chi as possible. Let the rest of the league fleece them while they essentially pay Melo $35mm next year. Chi ownership isnt like Dolan

I am not sure but I think Melo wants to go to Chicago. He could say no to a sign and trade to Houston if he didn't want to go there. Also, Houston doesn't have as much to offer. Morey may have overplayed his hand not making a qualifying offer to Parsons. Not being able to include him in a deal takes him off the table but makes the package of Lin/Asik and the 30 mil they are owed a liability for a team to take on as opposed to at least acquiring an asset like Parsons.

On a side note, does anyone know if a team can offer Parsons a poison pill type of deal now that he is going to be a restricted free agent?

CrushAlot wrote:On a side note, does anyone know if a team can offer Parsons a poison pill type of deal now that he is going to be a restricted free agent?

they probably can but I doubt teams will do that now. Also, Parsons has to sign any offer sheet. In theory Morey, can talk to the agent and tell him not to sign anything because we will match it.

CrushAlot wrote:On a side note, does anyone know if a team can offer Parsons a poison pill type of deal now that he is going to be a restricted free agent?

No. Parsons has been with Houston for the past three seasons so they have his full Bird rights and there's no poison pill if a team has full Bird rights on a player.

I'd trade Melo for a Party Size bag of M&M's