Knicks · Id like to keep Bargnani and Amare for this season (page 1)

I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Why? Give me something to read you lazy bum

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Why? Give me something to read you lazy bum

They're both bad defensively and you can't rely on either of them health wise.

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

I think Melo really wants Pau. If the Knicks could get Pau I think Marc comes next year.

yellowboy90 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Why? Give me something to read you lazy bum

They're both bad defensively and you can't rely on either of them health wise.

Granted on both points. (And Stat's contract isn't insured.)

So if you know those two points, why would anyone else take either one, and give us anything in return?

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Yeah, the number show Bargs is actually a net negative in win shares. So he actually reduces our chance to win. I get mad just looking at his dumb face. Id rather we simply cut him if he cant be dumped on some poor team.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

I think Melo really wants Pau. If the Knicks could get Pau I think Marc comes next year.

Phil wants Pau i mean he is the GM lol. However im not sure Pau wuld accept the mid level

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

I think Melo really wants Pau. If the Knicks could get Pau I think Marc comes next year.

Phil wants Pau i mean he is the GM lol. However im not sure Pau wuld accept the mid level

There has been a buzz about Melo wanting Pau for awhile.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bask...

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

I think Melo really wants Pau. If the Knicks could get Pau I think Marc comes next year.

Phil wants Pau i mean he is the GM lol. However im not sure Pau wuld accept the mid level

There has been a buzz about Melo wanting Pau for awhile.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bask...

Thats fine. My point was that they arent gonna just get somebody because Melo wants them. Its Phil's show

Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done

yellowboy90 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Until we have better replacements, there is no reason to exile them which usually has a cost. Bargnani I have HOPE that he is healthy and the triangle revives his career and after 4 years of Amare I'd like to see him succeed and help the knicks!

More hope than logic, but this is the fan in me.

That's a very good point. I think Phil would have made a deal at any cost if he had an agreement in principle with a player he felt was worth the effort. However, you do not do a deal like Clevland just did with Jack on blind faith. There is just not any valuable FAs in this class to do that for.

If the Knicks had space I would have love for them to go after stephenson but I would be concerned about him being back in NY. I would probably only do a 2 yr/$15M deal.

better replacements? How about picking up someone from the NBDL?
If we're going to be trading them rather than just clearing cap space, we have to play them to inflate their #s though. They might both get injured in the first week of the season knowing them. If we're not going to just let them expire, we should trade them this off-season before their next injuries.

Rookie wrote:Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done

One guy makes 1.5 mil the other 1.6. I think the Knicks could do get them for guys without guaranteed money (i.e. Odom) or possibly the trade exception. I wonder if Morey includes them in a Lin deal. Both are good prospects.

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Lets see how they fit the triangle first, the problem with Amare and Bargs is both are low IQ players. I wouldnt mind STAT back but no way am I giving him the MLE type deal and he probably gets that

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to give players away just to get rid of them--Lebron was one thing but that is not happening. Well have a better chance to win with those guys and we need the size. Let them just come off the cap next year and play their way into contracts themselves.

Completely disagree!

Yeah, the number show Bargs is actually a net negative in win shares. So he actually reduces our chance to win. I get mad just looking at his dumb face. Id rather we simply cut him if he cant be dumped on some poor team.

But we wont get to see anymore of this

CrushAlot wrote:

Rookie wrote:Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done

One guy makes 1.5 mil the other 1.6. I think the Knicks could do get them for guys without guaranteed money (i.e. Odom) or possibly the trade exception. I wonder if Morey includes them in a Lin deal. Both are good prospects.

Good catch, didn't think of that

CrushAlot wrote:

Rookie wrote:Houston might have to dump Jones & Motlejunas w/o taking salary back. To bad we have Bargs & Stat taking up cap space. Wonder if our trade exception and cash/or a future pick could get it done

One guy makes 1.5 mil the other 1.6. I think the Knicks could do get them for guys without guaranteed money (i.e. Odom) or possibly the trade exception. I wonder if Morey includes them in a Lin deal. Both are good prospects.

I read Philadelphia is getting Motlejunas "I would of asked for him 2" , with Lin and a first round pick. I would love to get Motlejunas but the ROckets would ask the Knicks for 4 first round picks for him

Bargiani had some really good games with calderon when they played together, and I think both Larkin, and Calderon are very good PnR players. With that being said, I think the both of them are prime to have very respectable seasons, but Theres a strong chance,(IMO) atleast one will get traded before the deadline.

knicks1248 wrote:Bargiani had some really good games with calderon when they played together, and I think both Larkin, and Calderon are very good PnR players. With that being said, I think the both of them are prime to have very respectable seasons, but Theres a strong chance,(IMO) atleast one will get traded before the deadline.

I think so as well, I think the Amare contract is almost untradeable just because of the sheer size, Bargs on the other hand maybe moveable