It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?
Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?
At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.
You really have no clue about basketball. You have no clue whats going on behind the scenes. So much more to say but really just a waste, like talking to a wall. Need patience and see the vision. Rather believe in Phil than some idiot on the internet that 2nd guesses every move.
NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?
At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.
kerr didn't want to coach carmelo anthony.
kerr wanted to be near his family.
hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.
NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?
At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.
I SAID This from the start.. phil is a GREAT coach, but we know nothing about him as a GM... I said this!!
one thing is true, he came into a messy situation here and even the best GM would have a tough time getting this ship on a solid course again.... If phil was not brought here to rebuild then It's back to business as usual at MSG and that is not good at all...
PJ acquired Calderon as a step up from felton and dump of Chandler contract. His relationship with Gasol was added inducement. So far PJ has made all the right moves just hope that if Melo resigns that there is opt out for him in years 1 and/or 2 so that a complementary player can be brought in next year or the year after.
I feel GREAT about Phil and his decision making. He can't guarantee anything except that he'll make good choices. he can't control what FA's do and he can't make us have cap space when previous GM's made horrible moves that locked up our cap. So far he's made good moves. Nothing that will hurt us long term. He's added assets and gotten rid of players we really didn't have longterm interest in. He tried to trade STAT but he wasn't willing to give up assets that have value to the franchise.
There's still so much time left for him to make further moves and until Melo makes his decision there's not much Phil can do. We'll be able to move on soon enough as Melo will have to announce soon.
BigRedDog wrote:You really have no clue about basketball. You have no clue whats going on behind the scenes. So much more to say but really just a waste, like talking to a wall. Need patience and see the vision. Rather believe in Phil than some idiot on the internet that 2nd guesses every move.
You were not going to waste your time responding to me...by responding to me? You're a sharp one aren't you.
NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?
At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.
Strong candidate for worst thread of the year. Keep up the good work
StarksEwing1 wrote:hate to be mean but this must be one of the dumbest thread topics i have seen.
I suppose if you're sipping the Kool Aid, then it would be. But explain to me how you can maintain such high confidence in a man who can't convince people he's won titles with to join him. How is he going to get the Kevin Durant's of the world to want to come here, who were barely alive during his coaching haydey and who have no rapport with him?
Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space.
Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!
NardDogNation wrote:BigRedDog wrote:You really have no clue about basketball. You have no clue whats going on behind the scenes. So much more to say but really just a waste, like talking to a wall. Need patience and see the vision. Rather believe in Phil than some idiot on the internet that 2nd guesses every move.
You were not going to waste your time responding to me...by responding to me? You're a sharp one aren't you.
Genius, read what I said. I never said I wasnt going to respond but just SO MUCH MORE to say but on a basketball IQ u are a 1.
Oh never mind, like I said talking to a wall
tkf wrote:NardDogNation wrote:It seems that everyone is all gravy and sunshine about the guy but the unfolding of events this offseason have been alarming to me. We've all talked about the lure of playing for Phil Jackson, myself included, but the hype has yet to intersect reality. How well did it work out in our pursuit of Steve Kerr?Now, I'm starting to hear confirmations that Pau Gasol, an offseason target of ours, is taking a MLE offer from a Bulls team that can't offer him much more than we can. To add insult to injury, they'll still have Taj Gibson and are adding Nikola Mirotic, which leaves very little playing time for a player of his caliber.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a big reason for acquiring Jose Calderon, was to serve as a lure for Pau Gasol because they were besties? So what happened to that plan exactly? Now with Pau Gasol in Chicago, who is going to lure Marc Gasol to New York in this ill-conceived, basketball rendition of Ocean's Eleven?
At this point, I'm not very impressed with the dude. If he can't get his own people that he's had years of rapport with, how the hell is he going go attract the Kevin Durant's, Anthony Davis' and the ever shrinking pool of superstars/inevitable superstars to New York? If you want to know why Carmelo hasn't re-signed yet, it probably would have something to do with that and the fact that a Jose Calderon is cause for celebration for this franchise.
I SAID This from the start.. phil is a GREAT coach, but we know nothing about him as a GM... I said this!!
one thing is true, he came into a messy situation here and even the best GM would have a tough time getting this ship on a solid course again.... If phil was not brought here to rebuild then It's back to business as usual at MSG and that is not good at all...
Sweet baby Jesus, we are agreeing with each other, lol. Never thought I'd see the day. But yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
No doubt, Phil Jackson walked into a tough gig but it feels like he's made or is willing to make the same fatal errors that have done us in, in the past. You know I'm as big of a Melo fan as they come BUT the dude is 30 and giving him to max feels a lot like the Allan Houston situation before he blew out his knees. With the amount of stress Melo puts on his body, I don't expect him to remain healthy for much longer. The dude is already starting to breakdown having had shoulder issue and surgery on both knees and an elbow or wrist. As for the Dallas trade, it felt like a lot of nice little things that don't ever materialize into anything substantive, long-term (see the David Lee trade and the dudes doing backflips for Anthony Randolph). I know dudes are desperate for hope but it's difficult for me to ignore the history and the very apparent parallel's that are arising with our present.
You 2 need to get a room.
I'm with you! Its like, how hard can it be to get the coach you wanted from the start and the big man that you set yourself to get by adding a Spanish point guard! I just acquired Pau Gasol and even LeBron in my NBA 2K14 game and it was so easy!!! Come on, Phil!!
Why having the Zen Master if he can't impose his will over real people with families like Kerr? Why can't he get players like Gasol when another team only has more money and a better team to offer? He is supposed to mind-control them! Wasn't that why we brought him in the first place? He showed his talent mind-controlling Dolan, according to reports. And that in itself is a feat, given Dolan's little resources in that regard.
Fire this Phil guy already!
azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space. Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!
Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.
Harddognatin post, harddognation subsequent posts
NardDogNation wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space. Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!
Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.
Bet you couldn't find a rationale explanation either until you saw immediate progress with the chandler felton trade away. so you can go on your own cute little rants/threads about how you have your doubts about phil jackson. the fact is that the man was smart enough to motivate some of the biggest egos in basketball. i am pretty sure he's much smarter than you and your doubts when it comes to being an NBA GM.
NardDogNation wrote:azamatbagatov wrote:Same thing that Riley was in 2010.....without the huge amounts of cap space. Oh noes!!!! Phil didn't fix one of the worst situations in the league in 4 1/2 months. I have my doubts!!
Reading comprehension is fundamental. I never suggested that Phil should've fixed this mess in 4.5 months. What I explicitly stated is that I'm concerned with his abilities and types of moves he has made thus far. You can go on your cute little rants to fit in with the "cool" kids but answer me this: if Phil can't get people he's had rapport with while offering them a deal no better or worse than competitors, what makes you think he'll be able to convince an all-star or superstar to come here who he has no rapport with and who will have a better offer from the hometeam? Bet you can't find a rationale explanation.
Dude, you do know that the Bulls have more cap space than we do to sign Gasol and that the actual rumor is about him being signed-and-traded for Boozer, which would be way, way more than the MLE. Wherever you got the idea he was signing with Chicago for the MLE, isn't really what the main media is reporting.
And your other argument about Kerr, its funny how you use him but don't mention how it was reported a difficult decision for Kerr and that his family triumphed Phil. Want to argue family vs. a past co-worker? Really? And what about Fisher? Forgot him already?
