dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
Korver is more than a specialist though. DK if you haven't read the article id def recommend checking it out. It really is a great read. As are all of Lowes pieces for grantland.
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?
Great article!!
This guy shot 58% on threes that he was stationary (not moving at least 6 feet right before the shot). That beyond incredible.
And Lowry was at 53% which is crazy too.
And for the Melo haters / lovers:
“gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George."
dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
last year he shot 47% from the field and 47% from three.. absolutely efficient and incredible... I was front row at many hawks games this past year and I can tell you, not many work harder off the ball than he does.. he moves so quick without the ball and can stop after running full speed, catch, set and hit.. amazing..
mreinman wrote:Great article!!This guy shot 58% on threes that he was stationary (not moving at least 6 feet right before the shot). That beyond incredible.
And Lowry was at 53% which is crazy too.
And for the Melo haters / lovers:
“gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George."
I'm sorry all I notice is Durant and George.
I wonder where L.James and Harden rank.
mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?
i am not looking at eFG% in this example. what point are you trying to make here? and as we are looking at THIS chart i want to call your attention to the PPS column. how is your pattern recognition?
He mastered the Miller and Ray Allen footwork of sprinting around picks, catching the ball at full speed, planting his feet, and rising for jumpers.
This reminds me of Kiki Vandeweghe. I've never seen anyone better at moving without the ball (sometimes through picks) then catching and shooting than Kiki.
dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
At least system wise are 2 PG's should be good offensively. Cole Aldrich's advanced numbers are very strong
mreinman wrote:Great article!!This guy shot 58% on threes that he was stationary (not moving at least 6 feet right before the shot). That beyond incredible.
And Lowry was at 53% which is crazy too.
And for the Melo haters / lovers:
“gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George."
and to think we were able to steal him without even having to offer a 6th year!
Can we tie an 85lb rock to one of our guys?
Nalod wrote:Can we tie an 85lb rock to one of our guys?
for what, to shoot free throws?
dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:dk7th wrote:raven wrote:So much smart, science and dedication to make the game we love what it is today.http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
let me guess... it praises what a valuable advanced stat weapon he is because he shoots the three at such a high percentage, like above 44%?
No, this would be stating the obvious.
What I loved was the notion of gravity / distraction score. That really amazed me, and I'd dare to say this is the future of our sport.
And if we wanted to loop back to Melo, I would be curious to know how he fares. Although some of you know I'm not crazy about his game, the guy is double team magnet and I'm pretty sure his gravity score would be pretty high.
yes the players are bigger and the court is summarily smaller so stretching the floor is becoming a skill or a consequence of a skill which is a very high 3pt%. i think even 40% from 3 is not necessarily going to warrant close off-the-ball guarding and ball denial. but once you get up around 44% from 3 then you have a real problem on your hands.
RKPLAYER GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 Korver, ATL 71 12.0 2.6 6 185 392 .472 104 217 .479 1.40 .626
2 Prigioni, NY 66 3.8 1.0 2 65 140 .464 23 51 .451 1.32 .631
3 Miller, MEM 82 7.1 1.3 3 107 233 .459 106 210 .505 1.31 .602
4 Morrow NO 76 8.4 1.2 3 88 195 .451 150 325 .462 1.22 .542
5 Calderon DAL 81 11.4 2.4 5 191 425 .449 150 323 .464 1.24 .584
6 Farmar LAL 41 10.1 1.7 4 70 160 .438 81 204 .397 1.14 .511
7 Belinelli SA 80 11.4 1.6 4 126 293 .430 211 402 .525 1.31 .576
8 Afflalo 73 18.2 1.8 4 128 300 .427 336 711 .473 1.32 .522
9 Mills, SA 81 10.2 1.7 4 135 318 .425 174 348 .500 1.24 .565
10 Curry GS 78 24.0 3.3 8 261 615 .424 391 768 .509 1.35 .566
So 44% is the number?
that's what i am looking at when it comes to specialists, yes.
if they also have a good usg:ast ratio that is a big plus.
so a guy needs to have > 65% eFg to be a specialist? What are you basing your statement on?
i am not looking at eFG% in this example. what point are you trying to make here? and as we are looking at THIS chart i want to call your attention to the PPS column. how is your pattern recognition?
You understand how 3 point %'s tie to efg, correct? And you are "looking for" a 44% clip to be labeled a specialist, correct? See a pattern?
A big part of the article is about how Korver started out as a specialist but evolved and is a lot more than that. The point was made that it was very rare for players to continue to evolve 11 years into their career. My advice, read the article and watch the games.
CrushAlot wrote:A big part of the article is about how Korver started out as a specialist but evolved and is a lot more than that. The point was made that it was very rare for players to continue to evolve 11 years into their career. My advice, read the article and watch the games.
yeah - its funny how many comments are on here and some people still wont read the article . ver ver strange.
Kyle went on to light us up for 27
It's like we don't have scouts in this organization
Wonder if we zone in on him tonight
But to the extreme we desert everyone else
An offense unto himself alright
yellowboy90 wrote:mreinman wrote:Great article!!This guy shot 58% on threes that he was stationary (not moving at least 6 feet right before the shot). That beyond incredible.
And Lowry was at 53% which is crazy too.
And for the Melo haters / lovers:
“gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George."
I'm sorry all I notice is Durant and George. I wonder where L.James and Harden rank.
Yet another meaningless statistic is unveiled and exposed by the simple inclusion of a particularly evil DOUCHEBAG.
Gravity.
It probably has to do with how much more fat Melo actually is.
