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He was a potential player in 2015 FA. Obviously we can expect more of this--this is why its important to draft well grow organically and use FA as a conduit and not necessarily banking the ship. 3 years 45mm

Jabari? Tony? Candace?

Nalod wrote:Jabari? Tony? Candace?

i was thinking the same thing. Peter?

tony.

you are going to see alot of this. love will re-sign in cleveland. rondo's the only wildcard. if he's dealt this year, he will re-up with that team.

aldridge + gasol will re-sign on their teams.

but anything can happen.

Rondo is like so "Un TriangleIsh"! I don't see him as a knick.

thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

Direction?
OK, never-mind.

fishmike wrote:thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

yeah it was the guard play alright. those three players meshed together beautifully, just like bird, mchale and parish. but yeah it was the guard play that was the problem. check

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

WTF Man? Do you really think Phil hasn't changed the teams direction significantly? The entire focus now is on a Team Oriented System with more balance. IT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON IN PRACTICE!!! He's only able to do so much right now and still he has the ability to make another deal before the season. What complaints can anyone really have about the moves Phil has made so far tho? Most have been solid and improved the team in terms of how he wants to play. He's got a TOUGH JOB.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

yeah it was the guard play alright. those three players meshed together beautifully, just like bird, mchale and parish. but yeah it was the guard play that was the problem. check

Don't be silly, the entire point is that the only way you can mesh Melo, STAT and Tyson would be with strong Guard play or a system like the Triangle that works without the need for a great traditional PG. If we had been running this system these last few years it might have made a huge difference. Now we have a chance to see if we can mesh all of our players the bigs and smalls rather than the way we've struggled with consistency over the years.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

WTF Man? Do you really think Phil hasn't changed the teams direction significantly? The entire focus now is on a Team Oriented System with more balance. IT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON IN PRACTICE!!! He's only able to do so much right now and still he has the ability to make another deal before the season. What complaints can anyone really have about the moves Phil has made so far tho? Most have been solid and improved the team in terms of how he wants to play. He's got a TOUGH JOB.

It is rare that I agree with you.
But I am more stoked on the team play than anything else. Really, this is what the game is about. I'm looking forward to this season.

We have to find more talent though, clearly.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

yeah it was the guard play alright. those three players meshed together beautifully, just like bird, mchale and parish. but yeah it was the guard play that was the problem. check

Didn't Phil miss the playoffs with Kobe?

Didn't Phil get bounced in the 1st round twice with Kobe?

Has any player outside of a Super All-Star ever reached peak level of play in the triangle system besides maybe Fisher.

Phil can only do so much, he will not perfect 10 his way here with every move he makes

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

yeah it was the guard play alright. those three players meshed together beautifully, just like bird, mchale and parish. but yeah it was the guard play that was the problem. check

Don't be silly, the entire point is that the only way you can mesh Melo, STAT and Tyson would be with strong Guard play or a system like the Triangle that works without the need for a great traditional PG. If we had been running this system these last few years it might have made a huge difference. Now we have a chance to see if we can mesh all of our players the bigs and smalls rather than the way we've struggled with consistency over the years.

i think you're as wrong as can be on this point. they seem as mismatched as any 3 players could possibly be. alas we will never know whether those three would have meshed-- phil traded chandler and one has to wonder how involved stoudemire will be in this version of the knicks.

we had a very good point guard named jeremy lin here but it seems that melo didn't want to play with him, and woodson was disturbingly lukewarm on lin once d'antoni decided he had had enough of melo's shenanigans.

After

Lebron
Kevin Love/ Unlikely if Cleveland trades for him along with LaMarcus ALdridge resigning to a 5year max deal to stay in Portland

I think Bledsoe is the best player to target at a near max deal, a player I feel would be better than Marc Gasol/Rhondo at a max deal, because Bledsoe's MAX is lower and he is a LOCKDOWN DEFENDER that could potentially play/defend 2 spots in PG/SG, which would fit in with Calderon and any of our SG's

Again, he possesses the youth/potential and the rare combination of

Athleticism/speed/quickness/ability to penetrate and finish with contact with his strength
Under the mentorship of the best PG in the league for a couple of years under CP3 certainly helps his ability to LEADER and facilitate

With the cap likely rising in 2015, if he signs a one year deal and becomes a UFA with The Sun's this off season, I think he would fit in with our team, especially with Calderon/Melo
Most importantly, it leaves us some more wiggle room to improve, depending on what happens with JR Smith/Iman Shumpert/Pablo, in addition to the couple million left in cap space and the LLE which is right under 3m

Assets
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We also can trade our draft rights to our 2015th 1st round pick and our 2018 1st round pick, along with 2018+ 2nd rounders

If needed in addition to the trade exemption gained from the Tyson Chandler deal within one year *which could potentially put us over the cap, so we would have the full 4 year 5MLE, which would be closer to 6M BY NEXT SUMMER, to offer a FA, In addition to the couple million left over from offering a contract to Bledsoe

also with our SG position with JR Smith/ Iman Shumpert/ Tim Hardaway JR who could all raise their value's if they play well in a SYSTEM basketball
We also have the draft rights to Thanissis, Cleanthony Early, Early Bird rights to both Jeremy Tyler/Cole Aldrich, and we even have the early bird rights to Kmart RIGHT NOW to offer him a contract that could be a 2-3 year deal, with the 2nd/3rd year's being NON GUARANTEED as trade bait to add up for salaries

I think we should look to get a versatile SF/PF to compliment Anthony like a Jeff Green and Thad Young *both have player options* Wilson Chandler *team option*, though I would prefer Battum for his ability to spread the floor and be a lockdown defender that is a also a great help defender

I believe Monta Ellis has a player option as well and Rudy Gay can also be a UFA, 2 players that I would like if at the right price
Though ELlis is getting a bit older, I would much prefer Bledsoe over him, I think Rudy Gay could play SG/SF/PF and could be a very versatile talented player and could be a very good defender if he was mentored and gave the effort to play
Ellis signed a deal in the range of 7-8m, and I would like Gay at a price from 5-8m *which we could have left if we got rid of some of our 2015 contracts listed above*

Bledsoe/Calderon/Larkin, potentially with another PG/SG like Darrius Morris/Tourre Murry

While Dragic could also be a good player to sign, he doesn't have the defensive impact that Bledsoe would have
However, it is possible we can sign either Patrick Beverly/Norris Cole who also have lock down potential and would have RFA with Reggie Jackson *who isn't a lockdown defender but could be a very good staring PG*

Utilizing the rest of our cap space on
With a SF/PF like

Jeff Green/Thad Young/ Wilson Chandler

with role players like

Gereld Green/Draymond Green

we would have the early bird rights to

Jeremy Tyler/Cole Alrich to if they show they can develop to starting or serviceable rational players at PF/C in addition to possibly Jason Smith who I think we can resign
Also if AB/STAT show that can be utilized in the Triangle and could be signed at a reasonable contract, around 2-3m

Right now, I would like to trade/sign with Bucks for

Sessions *under rated, penetrating PG that could hit wide open 3pters* With Bayless/Augistin and a few others setting his market value at about 3m per year on a 2 year deal with team option on 3rd year
Edoh *who I see is a player similar to Hickson, if at the right price*
Ilyasova who I feel could start or come of the bench at SF/PF that would fit in with The Triangle and CA wit his versatility/ability to spread the floor/hit the wide open 3pter

While trading JR Smith, Pablo, Ellington, a few throw ins, in addition to our trade exemption gained from the Dallas trade for Sessions*
If we made such a trade, I believe we would be a potential top 6 team in the East for this coming season

Would have loved Jeff Adrian but he signed a vet min with Houston and also Ed Davis who signed a vet min for the Lakers

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

LOL

If the Knicks have 20 mil in cap space in the offseason, they should look to spend only about 12-14mil on a long term contract. Use the remaining 6-8mil on 1yr deals to keep that flexibility. Then in 2016 Smith & Pablo come off the books freeing up an additional 8mil to go along with the 6-8mil saved. We could then target another free agent at 12mil and save the remaining cap space(say 4mil) or offer another 1yr deal. 2017 There will be a new collective bargaining agreement and the salary cap will probably jump substantially. Calderon will be coming off the books at this time (7.7mil) to go along with the 4mil available and the increased salary cap.

What I am trying to say is rather then blow our load in the 2015 free agency using all our cap space on long term contracts. We should stay near or slightly under the cap each year allowing the expiring contracts to give us cap space and flexibility each year for the next 3 seasons.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

WTF Man? Do you really think Phil hasn't changed the teams direction significantly? The entire focus now is on a Team Oriented System with more balance. IT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON IN PRACTICE!!! He's only able to do so much right now and still he has the ability to make another deal before the season. What complaints can anyone really have about the moves Phil has made so far tho? Most have been solid and improved the team in terms of how he wants to play. He's got a TOUGH JOB.

I think that he could have done anything and you'd be talking about how great it was. I know we're still outbidding everyone else by miles and even throwing in no-trade clauses just for the heck of it. And I think all the rankings that have us in the bottom half of the league are still accurate. A new system with the same level roster is like getting new seats on the Titanic.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

WTF Man? Do you really think Phil hasn't changed the teams direction significantly? The entire focus now is on a Team Oriented System with more balance. IT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON IN PRACTICE!!! He's only able to do so much right now and still he has the ability to make another deal before the season. What complaints can anyone really have about the moves Phil has made so far tho? Most have been solid and improved the team in terms of how he wants to play. He's got a TOUGH JOB.

I think that he could have done anything and you'd be talking about how great it was. I know we're still outbidding everyone else by miles and even throwing in no-trade clauses just for the heck of it. And I think all the rankings that have us in the bottom half of the league are still accurate. A new system with the same level roster is like getting new seats on the Titanic.

We get. Appreciate the 40x posts a day about how the team stinks with zero insight interest color or anything besides another row wasted in the UK database. Always great to read riveting musings. I know every fan here pines to read young comments daily

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god Phil is here. Finally I have an ounce of confidence. I mean even with Walsh here it was a gut and spend all the way. Knicks were just looking for a reboot, grab a star or two and be the Knicks of the 90s again. Melo/Chandler/Amare isnt that bad, but as we saw it was never able to take off because the guard play was so bad with nothing left to really improve.

Phil is looking to cover it all, trade for prospects, draft prospects, manage the cap to attract a max level FA and parts... mostly it will come down to his ability to capitolize on opportunity, but so far so good direction-wise

yeah it was the guard play alright. those three players meshed together beautifully, just like bird, mchale and parish. but yeah it was the guard play that was the problem. check

Don't be silly, the entire point is that the only way you can mesh Melo, STAT and Tyson would be with strong Guard play or a system like the Triangle that works without the need for a great traditional PG. If we had been running this system these last few years it might have made a huge difference. Now we have a chance to see if we can mesh all of our players the bigs and smalls rather than the way we've struggled with consistency over the years.

i think you're as wrong as can be on this point. they seem as mismatched as any 3 players could possibly be. alas we will never know whether those three would have meshed-- phil traded chandler and one has to wonder how involved stoudemire will be in this version of the knicks.

we had a very good point guard named jeremy lin here but it seems that melo didn't want to play with him, and woodson was disturbingly lukewarm on lin once d'antoni decided he had had enough of melo's shenanigans.

More fabricated lying revisionist history. Tkf wants you to bring his Saturday cup of coffee before you go mentally owning people on the message boards again.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Direction?
OK, never-mind.

WTF Man? Do you really think Phil hasn't changed the teams direction significantly? The entire focus now is on a Team Oriented System with more balance. IT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON IN PRACTICE!!! He's only able to do so much right now and still he has the ability to make another deal before the season. What complaints can anyone really have about the moves Phil has made so far tho? Most have been solid and improved the team in terms of how he wants to play. He's got a TOUGH JOB.

I think that he could have done anything and you'd be talking about how great it was. I know we're still outbidding everyone else by miles and even throwing in no-trade clauses just for the heck of it. And I think all the rankings that have us in the bottom half of the league are still accurate. A new system with the same level roster is like getting new seats on the Titanic.

We get. Appreciate the 40x posts a day about how the team stinks with zero insight interest color or anything besides another row wasted in the UK database. Always great to read riveting musings. I know every fan here pines to read young comments daily

You're the self-appointed Evaluator of Poster Effectiveness? Why do you think people care how much you believe they contribute?