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Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
jrodmc wrote:51 wins, Toronto collapses, BKLN plays most of the season without Bropez (surprise!) and Deron. SofAtlantic is ours again. Melo hits 5.7 apg, and it's still not enough for the Sombers.Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
Good points, but I doubt that Phil makes a deal for Bargs unless it's a deal he can't refuse. Why take on salary when he's coming off the books? Maybe if it's a useful player who is also on an expiring. I think Phil really does hope to have Bargs play because he's one of the few players we have who is capable of reaching the kind of levels he has. Remember that Bargs had 4 straight seasons of 15.4, 17.2, 21.4 and 19.5 it's only the last 2 years that he performed below that, 12.7 and 13.3 last year. I think Phil believes he could get good production out of Bargs this year and that could raise his value a bit. It's worth a try.
nixluva wrote:jrodmc wrote:51 wins, Toronto collapses, BKLN plays most of the season without Bropez (surprise!) and Deron. SofAtlantic is ours again. Melo hits 5.7 apg, and it's still not enough for the Sombers.Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
Good points, but I doubt that Phil makes a deal for Bargs unless it's a deal he can't refuse. Why take on salary when he's coming off the books? Maybe if it's a useful player who is also on an expiring. I think Phil really does hope to have Bargs play because he's one of the few players we have who is capable of reaching the kind of levels he has. Remember that Bargs had 4 straight seasons of 15.4, 17.2, 21.4 and 19.5 it's only the last 2 years that he performed below that, 12.7 and 13.3 last year. I think Phil believes he could get good production out of Bargs this year and that could raise his value a bit. It's worth a try.
The problem with Bargs is that when you see the guy its sure looks like he has lost all passion for playing the game. Im sure Phil sees that using him for midrange shots, aka the only type of shot Bargs has ever shot with any consistency would be great the only problem is Bargs has always been a chucker who shoots way too many of the shots he's NOT good at hitting. Then you have the problem of his piss poor defense so in totality you have an inefficient chucker who has never in his career stuck to his bread and butter who on defense just gets owned repeatedly by opposing players and on top of it all plays with zero passion and drive for large swaths of time.
In other words, Bargs is a net negative and I dont think all the zen and mindfulness in the world is gonna ever make Bargs into a net positive contributer on this team. Call me a hater, call me a pessimist. Whatever. Bargs BLOWS, and the only way he'll ever help the Knicks is by being cut outright or sitting on the edge of the bench in a suit and tie.
Whenever I remember we actually gave up multiple picks for this guy I get hives. What a farging awful move. Surely right up there with the top follies of Layden and Isaiah.
jrodmc wrote:51 wins, Toronto collapses, BKLN plays most of the season without Bropez (surprise!) and Deron. SofAtlantic is ours again. Melo hits 5.7 apg, and it's still not enough for the Sombers.Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
So had Phil traded for Lowry
And managed to swing a deal for Amir and signed someone like Lou Williams
We would have collapsed or is having Melo end all be all to everything
Unless Raptors catch something worse than Ebola, they aren't collapsing
They are head and shoulders better than us
Whether you're unconscious or conscious
Our guards are already showing signs of collapsing
42-22>>>>>>16-7 when you consider the lab samples
We're gonna have to suck it up and deal with it
H1AND1 wrote:nixluva wrote:jrodmc wrote:51 wins, Toronto collapses, BKLN plays most of the season without Bropez (surprise!) and Deron. SofAtlantic is ours again. Melo hits 5.7 apg, and it's still not enough for the Sombers.Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
Good points, but I doubt that Phil makes a deal for Bargs unless it's a deal he can't refuse. Why take on salary when he's coming off the books? Maybe if it's a useful player who is also on an expiring. I think Phil really does hope to have Bargs play because he's one of the few players we have who is capable of reaching the kind of levels he has. Remember that Bargs had 4 straight seasons of 15.4, 17.2, 21.4 and 19.5 it's only the last 2 years that he performed below that, 12.7 and 13.3 last year. I think Phil believes he could get good production out of Bargs this year and that could raise his value a bit. It's worth a try.The problem with Bargs is that when you see the guy its sure looks like he has lost all passion for playing the game. Im sure Phil sees that using him for midrange shots, aka the only type of shot Bargs has ever shot with any consistency would be great the only problem is Bargs has always been a chucker who shoots way too many of the shots he's NOT good at hitting. Then you have the problem of his piss poor defense so in totality you have an inefficient chucker who has never in his career stuck to his bread and butter who on defense just gets owned repeatedly by opposing players and on top of it all plays with zero passion and drive for large swaths of time.
In other words, Bargs is a net negative and I dont think all the zen and mindfulness in the world is gonna ever make Bargs into a net positive contributer on this team. Call me a hater, call me a pessimist. Whatever. Bargs BLOWS, and the only way he'll ever help the Knicks is by being cut outright or sitting on the edge of the bench in a suit and tie.
Whenever I remember we actually gave up multiple picks for this guy I get hives. What a farging awful move. Surely right up there with the top follies of Layden and Isaiah.
To be honest this is the usual line about Bargs which is why I keep defending him. You're actually wrong about Bargs and I'll prove it. My contention last year was that he needed to be used properly but wasn't. Bargnani's career 2pt% is 47%. Last year he shot 48.7% for the Knicks from 2 point range. Bargs shot 394 2pt'ers and 108 3pt shots last year. His overall FG% was 44.2% so what brought it down was his 3pt% of 27.8%. In this system Bargs will be looking to take even more 2pt shots verses 3's. It's a good move given his ability to shoot from 2pt range. Last year he shot only 2.6 3pt'ers per game. He only needs more 2pt shots and that would solve most of his issues.
As for his defense, Bargs is one of the better man defenders. He's not getting beat by his own man. It's that he has poor help defensive awareness. I think that can be fixed and I think this scheme is a better fit for Bargs than that switching defense.
Synergy Sports ranked Bargnani in the 88th percentile in post defense on a per-possession basis, and the 56th percentile in isolation defense last season (with a gaudy 95th percentile overall). It wasn’t all Dwane Casey’s wizardry last season (though his work with Bargnani’s defense should not be ignored, but we’ll get there. In 2011, he was 47th percentile in post and 83rd percentile in isolation. 2010? 72nd percentile in the post, 28th in isolation. Bear in mind these numbers are regardless of the number of possessions, so someone that defended in the post once successfully logs in at the top of the chart. So basically, he’s even better than these numbers indicate, relative to his position.
IMO a better scheme that won't expose Bargs to his weakness on help defense should alleviate a lot of the problem. IMO Bargs real issue is staying healthy. Not so much in the same way as STAT who has needed surgery, but just those kinds of injuries that slow a player down and force him to shut it down. If he can get healthy and stay on the court the rest of the year he can be productive used the way Phil and Fish intend.
Those computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.5Those computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
Vegas over/under is NOT a prediction. It's the number Vegas comes up with that they thing they can get an even 50/50 split on the betting.
VCoug wrote:fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.5Those computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
Vegas over/under is NOT a prediction. It's the number Vegas comes up with that they thing they can get an even 50/50 split on the betting.
I always thought they were predictions too until I started my betting adventure
fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.5Those computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
Parity is making it harder. NFL is brutal.
fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.540-45 is probably a fair assessment. Im actually very optimistic for the next few years. Im excited for this year because i want to see some young guys develop and i want to see the new system get settled inThose computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
StarksEwing1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.540-45 is probably a fair assessment. Im actually very optimistic for the next few years. Im excited for this year because i want to see some young guys develop and i want to see the new system get settled inThose computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
I'm even more excited about the over/under on the number of times we have to discuss Dolan on this board for the next 5 years.
fishmike wrote:Vegas over under win total for Knicks is 40.5Those computer projections are crap. They got the Knicks right last year, but based on the total whiffing on other teams there is nothing impressive about those models.
With that being said if Vegas has us at 40 wins, which is a losing season btw
I'm guess you're putting 25 Stacks on the over
nixluva wrote:H1AND1 wrote:nixluva wrote:jrodmc wrote:51 wins, Toronto collapses, BKLN plays most of the season without Bropez (surprise!) and Deron. SofAtlantic is ours again. Melo hits 5.7 apg, and it's still not enough for the Sombers.Everyone else stays healthy (even Stat), nobody's overworked, and Phil works some sort of early magic deal that makes Bargs disappear in exchange for something(s) cheaper younger, and more durably workmanlike.
Good points, but I doubt that Phil makes a deal for Bargs unless it's a deal he can't refuse. Why take on salary when he's coming off the books? Maybe if it's a useful player who is also on an expiring. I think Phil really does hope to have Bargs play because he's one of the few players we have who is capable of reaching the kind of levels he has. Remember that Bargs had 4 straight seasons of 15.4, 17.2, 21.4 and 19.5 it's only the last 2 years that he performed below that, 12.7 and 13.3 last year. I think Phil believes he could get good production out of Bargs this year and that could raise his value a bit. It's worth a try.The problem with Bargs is that when you see the guy its sure looks like he has lost all passion for playing the game. Im sure Phil sees that using him for midrange shots, aka the only type of shot Bargs has ever shot with any consistency would be great the only problem is Bargs has always been a chucker who shoots way too many of the shots he's NOT good at hitting. Then you have the problem of his piss poor defense so in totality you have an inefficient chucker who has never in his career stuck to his bread and butter who on defense just gets owned repeatedly by opposing players and on top of it all plays with zero passion and drive for large swaths of time.
In other words, Bargs is a net negative and I dont think all the zen and mindfulness in the world is gonna ever make Bargs into a net positive contributer on this team. Call me a hater, call me a pessimist. Whatever. Bargs BLOWS, and the only way he'll ever help the Knicks is by being cut outright or sitting on the edge of the bench in a suit and tie.
Whenever I remember we actually gave up multiple picks for this guy I get hives. What a farging awful move. Surely right up there with the top follies of Layden and Isaiah.
To be honest this is the usual line about Bargs which is why I keep defending him. You're actually wrong about Bargs and I'll prove it. My contention last year was that he needed to be used properly but wasn't. Bargnani's career 2pt% is 47%. Last year he shot 48.7% for the Knicks from 2 point range. Bargs shot 394 2pt'ers and 108 3pt shots last year. His overall FG% was 44.2% so what brought it down was his 3pt% of 27.8%. In this system Bargs will be looking to take even more 2pt shots verses 3's. It's a good move given his ability to shoot from 2pt range. Last year he shot only 2.6 3pt'ers per game. He only needs more 2pt shots and that would solve most of his issues.As for his defense, Bargs is one of the better man defenders. He's not getting beat by his own man. It's that he has poor help defensive awareness. I think that can be fixed and I think this scheme is a better fit for Bargs than that switching defense.
Synergy Sports ranked Bargnani in the 88th percentile in post defense on a per-possession basis, and the 56th percentile in isolation defense last season (with a gaudy 95th percentile overall). It wasn’t all Dwane Casey’s wizardry last season (though his work with Bargnani’s defense should not be ignored, but we’ll get there. In 2011, he was 47th percentile in post and 83rd percentile in isolation. 2010? 72nd percentile in the post, 28th in isolation. Bear in mind these numbers are regardless of the number of possessions, so someone that defended in the post once successfully logs in at the top of the chart. So basically, he’s even better than these numbers indicate, relative to his position.IMO a better scheme that won't expose Bargs to his weakness on help defense should alleviate a lot of the problem. IMO Bargs real issue is staying healthy. Not so much in the same way as STAT who has needed surgery, but just those kinds of injuries that slow a player down and force him to shut it down. If he can get healthy and stay on the court the rest of the year he can be productive used the way Phil and Fish intend.
Im sorry but Ill never be convinced because Bargs has never once proven to be a useful player since he's been on the Knicks. His couple of decent SCORING seasons are long gone (and even during those seasons advanced stats have him as a net negative/zero sum player who is a chucker on offense-getting his points on way too many shots). And there's a reason that what i said is "the usual line" about Bargs and that's cause it's true: The guy is a net negative. You can keep saying he is a great two point shooter but that means little when in every other facet of the game he is below average. And Im not sure one stat about him defending man to man erases all the deficiencies the guy has shown on defense. Why is it that he has _always_ been tagged as an awful defender if he is magically some beast man to man in the post? How has every coach missed this and unleashed Bargs on his opponents? Im sorry but Ive watched the guy bumble through too many awful defensive lapses to ever want to see him play in a Knicks uniform again.
And we havent even talked about his putrid rebounding. When your 7 foot PF/Center can't rebound a lick its a huge problem and tells you everything you need to know about the guy. You keep having to defend him because its clear to 99% of the population that Bargs is atrocious. One of the worst moves the Knicks ever made.
We'd win less than 30gms
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