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Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

This is a different game for Melo than we're used to no matter what the dumb ass media keeps saying when they watch the games. Melo is being used in a different way than previous years. The final results are all that matters now and not so much pure numbers. WINS is how Melo should be measured now. We already see that how Fish is using him has allowed him to be MUCH more effective in the 4th qtr again. That's a HUGE issue. Last year Melo couldn't help us to close out games which was a MAJOR BLUNDER by Woody.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

A 3 shouldn't rebound like a PG though. He's not always 30 feet from the basket.
You know it's OK to actually express a criticism of Melo? It's not outrageous to say 2 rebounds a game is bad for a forward.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

not if you're drunk.

As the great and wise Russell Westbrook once said. "Y'all @#$%&s trippin"

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

A 3 shouldn't rebound like a PG though. He's not always 30 feet from the basket.
You know it's OK to actually express a criticism of Melo? It's not outrageous to say 2 rebounds a game is bad for a forward.

Melo lovers are pretty good adjusting on the fly

There's always been talk of moving the goal post with them

The problem is they try and move the goal posts inside the 20's

With an auto crank on cross bar and posts to adjust for any given situation

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

A 3 shouldn't rebound like a PG though. He's not always 30 feet from the basket.
You know it's OK to actually express a criticism of Melo? It's not outrageous to say 2 rebounds a game is bad for a forward.

Melo lovers are pretty good adjusting on the fly

There's always been talk of moving the goal post with them

The problem is they try and move on the goal inside the 20's

With an auto crank on cross bar and posts to adjust for any given situation

He lost weight to be quicker and play the 3. Last year he played the 4 and averaged 8 boards a game. When he signed his new deal at least one poster kept bringing up Melo's 'troublesome shoulders'. Are we looking for a fresh Melo at the end of games that moves the ball more and is more efficient in his shot selection or do we want a ball dominant guy that plays in the post and is worn down at the end of games? Not sure if anyone noticed but Fisher likes a traditional line up as opposed to small ball.

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

A 3 shouldn't rebound like a PG though. He's not always 30 feet from the basket.
You know it's OK to actually express a criticism of Melo? It's not outrageous to say 2 rebounds a game is bad for a forward.

Melo lovers are pretty good adjusting on the fly

There's always been talk of moving the goal post with them

The problem is they try and move on the goal inside the 20's

With an auto crank on cross bar and posts to adjust for any given situation

He lost weight to be quicker and play the 3. Last year he played the 4 and averaged 8 boards a game. When he signed his new deal at least one poster kept bringing up Melo's 'troublesome shoulders'. Are we looking for a fresh Melo at the end of games that moves the ball more and is more efficient in his shot selection or do we want a ball dominant guy that plays in the post and is worn down at the end of games? Not sure if anyone noticed but Fisher likes a traditional line up as opposed to small ball.

Crush you're being logical and making sense. That's just not going to be acceptable to some around here. these very same people figured we'd be 0-3 right now and looking like a group of bums on the way to giving up on the Triangle. So why should we expect reason regarding Melo? Forget that Melo has been there strong at the end of the last 2 wins, which this team desperately needs. This is a LOOOOOOONG season and we need Melo to be healthy and strong at the end of the year.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Right now, his scoring and passing are very good. From an advanced stats perspective, the defensive ratings and rebounding are a problem though. Your starting PF can't take 3 games to get 8 rebounds.

Good thing he is not the starting PF. His rebounding has been unusually poor though.

Fair enough. Acy is listed as an SF on sites but is the PF. Melo is rebounding like a PG right now though. It's too soon make much out of any of these numbers anyway

He is not missing enough shots for him to get his own rebounds.

LOL! Seriously though he averaged 6.2 defensive rpg last year and but has taken 3 games to get 6 defensive rebounds this year. I did mention last year I was skeptical about the rebounding improvement because it was a contract year.

The knicks seem to be doing well with defensive (team) rebounding. So times the rebounds just go to the alpha male / teammate.

If his man is getting offensive rebounds because he is not boxing out, I would be more alarmed.

Lets see how this plays out.

He will also have fewer rebounds do to fewer mp's.

He's playing 3 this year. He's not under the basket. You know sometimes its OK to use your eyes. Like when driving cars or watching sports.

A 3 shouldn't rebound like a PG though. He's not always 30 feet from the basket.
You know it's OK to actually express a criticism of Melo? It's not outrageous to say 2 rebounds a game is bad for a forward.

Melo lovers are pretty good adjusting on the fly

There's always been talk of moving the goal post with them

The problem is they try and move on the goal inside the 20's

With an auto crank on cross bar and posts to adjust for any given situation

He lost weight to be quicker and play the 3. Last year he played the 4 and averaged 8 boards a game. When he signed his new deal at least one poster kept bringing up Melo's 'troublesome shoulders'. Are we looking for a fresh Melo at the end of games that moves the ball more and is more efficient in his shot selection or do we want a ball dominant guy that plays in the post and is worn down at the end of games? Not sure if anyone noticed but Fisher likes a traditional line up as opposed to small ball.

Crush you're being logical and making sense. That's just not going to be acceptable to some around here. these very same people figured we'd be 0-3 right now and looking like a group of bums on the way to giving up on the Triangle. So why should we expect reason regarding Melo? Forget that Melo has been there strong at the end of the last 2 wins, which this team desperately needs. This is a LOOOOOOONG season and we need Melo to be healthy and strong at the end of the year.

I don't disagree with anything Crush said and have no problem crediting Melo for shooting and passing pretty well. I think everyone in this thread already did. It has nothing to do with rebounding like a PG though.

We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

+1

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

We have 108 rebounds and our opponents have 118.

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

We have 108 rebounds and our opponents have 118.

108 is a very auspicious number with great cosmological powers. I'll take it.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

+1

Second the +1.

It's amazing how hate will spend time contradicting itself. When Melo's averaging near 8 rpg, we get the fact that the majority of them are on his own missed chuck shots. Now that he's making more shots, we get "he's rebounding like a PG." Next up, why Melo's steals per game being down is a detriment to mankind's ability to enjoy the purity of the game.

2-1. Very painful numbers for some, obviously. If this winning continues, things are going to get ugly as the reasons to hate start to dry up.
Oh well, at least Melo isn't making anyone any better...is he?

Nalod, cue that Homergasm pic from the 54 win seaason...

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

We have 108 rebounds and our opponents have 118.

I'd have to look but that is probably factoring in the Bulls game where we got manhandled. I'm referring to the last 2games where they figured things out

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not being outrebounded this year. If Melo is not getting them its because someone else is.

That's what happens when you add guys like Acy, Dalembert, jason & Cole to the team. They rebound. Shump is also very good at grabbing rebounds.

Now play Melo and amare up from at PF/C like last year and they will average More rebounds but we will be outrebounded every night. Which was the case last year

I like what I've seen from Melo so far. He is still forcing and missing open cutters at times. I'm confident fisher will fix him. He called a quick timeout after Melo forced and missed the wide open cutter. I'm pretty sure that's what the timeout was about

Enjoy

We have 108 rebounds and our opponents have 118.

I'd have to look but that is probably factoring in the Bulls game where we got manhandled. I'm referring to the last 2games where they figured things out

We got outrebounded in 1 of the 2 wins also but both were close. We didn't excel in rebounding in any of the games.