Knicks · Game Thread: Hornets vs Knicks 7:30 P.M. EST (page 23)
yellowboy90 wrote:I gotta say Larkin is continuing to earn his stripes.
79 more gms to go
VDesai wrote:What I don't like is the unit where we have 4 completely non-offensive players around Melo. Playing Prigioni, Acy, Dalembert, Shumpert at the same time is tough. 3 of those players just don't take shots and the other is as hot and cold as any player in the NBA. They are all great on D but it makes us very, very easy to guard and I don't think we can win that way.
What made us easy to guard was the poor execution. We needed to reset a few times but took bad shots instead. This is where having Jose would really make a difference.
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..More Larkin and Acy. Less Pablo. Play Wear some of Jason's minutes.
Fisher is doing thus far what I figured
I said some guys are gonna have to get DNPd
There aren't enough minutes to play everyoneWe got the win and for now probably all that matter to most
Although we'll see if guys can remain engagedWTF? Fish has been using his bench so far this year. It's been more of a deep rotation than a short one. This is what I said Fish might do since we have a lot of guys that are about the same level.
Yeah sure Nix
That's why one night you'll see Dalembert benched
THJR get ration minutes, Wear play heavy minutes
Then the next night THJR get rotation minutes
Dalembert playing starters minutes, Wear getting DNPd
Fish will probably repeat this until it stops working
nixluva wrote:VDesai wrote:What I don't like is the unit where we have 4 completely non-offensive players around Melo. Playing Prigioni, Acy, Dalembert, Shumpert at the same time is tough. 3 of those players just don't take shots and the other is as hot and cold as any player in the NBA. They are all great on D but it makes us very, very easy to guard and I don't think we can win that way.What made us easy to guard was the poor execution. We needed to reset a few times but took bad shots instead. This is where having Jose would really make a difference.
There's nothing to execute when 80% of your lineup can't hit shots. Makes you easy to guard and easy to double Melo. Thus we look sloppy. Its always better to have more than one offensive threat.
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
F500ONE wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I gotta say Larkin is continuing to earn his stripes.79 more gms to go
He might not be back but the approach he is taking seems great. Another player might have sulked(shump) but he realize that he is showcasing his talents every night. I think part of that is him growing up as a small guy on the court. Those lilliputians seem to always carry a chip.
yellowboy90 wrote:F500ONE wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I gotta say Larkin is continuing to earn his stripes.79 more gms to go
He might not be back but the approach he is taking seems great. Another player might have sulked(shump) but he realize that he is showcasing his talents every night. I think part of that is him growing up as a small guy on the court. Those lilliputians seem to always carry a chip.
Yeah Nate did for sure
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
I actually watched Melo miss those shots last year. No offense is gonna prevent contested shots. But the dude clearly has more energy to hit them while he takes them.
it must be a full moon out tonite...folks mad the team won? Seriously?
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
Some of those he forced because he didn't make the pass. I personally thought his rotations where good. They are not always going to be immediate but it doesn't take long for him to pick things up and go to another guy. He saw how Melo could not stay with Neal and he moved melo to the 4. That lead to a turnover and basket. He is also keeping guys fresh and working through players with foul trouble.
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..More Larkin and Acy. Less Pablo. Play Wear some of Jason's minutes.
Fisher is doing thus far what I figured
I said some guys are gonna have to get DNPd
There aren't enough minutes to play everyoneWe got the win and for now probably all that matter to most
Although we'll see if guys can remain engagedWTF? Fish has been using his bench so far this year. It's been more of a deep rotation than a short one. This is what I said Fish might do since we have a lot of guys that are about the same level.
Yeah sure Nix
That's why one night you'll see Dalembert benched
THJR get ration minutes, Wear play heavy minutesThen the next night THJR get rotation minutes
Dalembert playing starters minutes, Wear getting DNPdFish will probably repeat this until it stops working
I don't know WTF you're talking about. Fish has used a deep rotation every night so far. That is what I said he might do with this roster having so many guys of similar talent and no one besides Melo worthy of major minutes.
yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
Some of those he forced because he didn't make the pass. I personally thought his rotations where good. They are not always going to be immediate but it doesn't take long for him to pick things up and go to another guy. He saw how Melo could not stay with Neal and he moved melo to the 4. That lead to a turnover and basket. He is also keeping guys fresh and working through players with foul trouble.
Melo missed many open guys. He refuses to pass quickly out of the double team. That MUST change!
His shooting looks really good on his fresh legs. Now, make the passes and get to the next level of stardom. I don't want to hear that he needs to force those shots because he can't trust his teammates. TRUST YOUR DAMN TEAMMATES AND THEY WOULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE.
0 assists in the second half once again. He has guys open on those doubles all the time - get it to them.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
Some of those he forced because he didn't make the pass. I personally thought his rotations where good. They are not always going to be immediate but it doesn't take long for him to pick things up and go to another guy. He saw how Melo could not stay with Neal and he moved melo to the 4. That lead to a turnover and basket. He is also keeping guys fresh and working through players with foul trouble.
Melo missed many open guys. He refuses to pass quickly out of the double team. That MUST change!
His shooting looks really good on his fresh legs. Now, make the passes and get to the next level of stardom. I don't want to hear that he needs to force those shots because he can't trust his teammates. TRUST YOUR DAMN TEAMMATES AND THEY WOULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE.
0 assists in the second half once again. He has guys open on those doubles all the time - get it to them.
Finestrg wrote:I'll take the win but I'm not happy at all. They should be embarrassed...plus we got that fluke gift call that Alan Hahn just said didn't cost the hornets...huh? It cost them a critical possession!!
Papabear Says
Hey we got some earlier calls too. Thats the way the game goes. Just be happy we won.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
Some of those he forced because he didn't make the pass. I personally thought his rotations where good. They are not always going to be immediate but it doesn't take long for him to pick things up and go to another guy. He saw how Melo could not stay with Neal and he moved melo to the 4. That lead to a turnover and basket. He is also keeping guys fresh and working through players with foul trouble.
Melo missed many open guys. He refuses to pass quickly out of the double team. That MUST change!
His shooting looks really good on his fresh legs. Now, make the passes and get to the next level of stardom. I don't want to hear that he needs to force those shots because he can't trust his teammates. TRUST YOUR DAMN TEAMMATES AND THEY WOULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE.
0 assists in the second half once again. He has guys open on those doubles all the time - get it to them.
Papabear Says
Who would you rather have take shots besides Melo? You have a bunch of guys who can't shoot. how many layups did Shump miss? What about the rest of the team. If it was not for Melo we would have lost this game so please stop wishing that Melo pass the ball to a shooter who will only throw up a brick.
Papabear wrote:mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:Fisher has to have better balance in the lineup...2nd qt..Team playing well up 15 then wholesale subs..3rd qt 4 offensive players then 4th, only Melo as an option..What happened to Larkin, he was playing well..Prigs can't hold Walker..etc..Work in progress I guess..I'll take the win..To be honest he's doing just fine. The starters push the game, the bench try to hold serve, then the starters come back in and complete the task.
U want to site examples?Examples of what? Everything I said actually happened.
Ha..U didn't say anything..The bench extended the 15 point lead in the 2nd and was playing well..Larkin was having a great game, what happened to him?..4th down the stretch, Melo put up some tough shots because he was the only option..We needed another offensive option at that point..
The team needed defense at the end COMBINED with melo's scoring....thats exactly what they got. personally this wondering why this guy plays or not is irrelevant when they win. Fisher is clearly giving all these guys the burn needed to compete when called upon.No complaints from...they won, thats all that matters.
Melo putting up tough shots against double teams is what they got..We watched that all last year..
Some of those he forced because he didn't make the pass. I personally thought his rotations where good. They are not always going to be immediate but it doesn't take long for him to pick things up and go to another guy. He saw how Melo could not stay with Neal and he moved melo to the 4. That lead to a turnover and basket. He is also keeping guys fresh and working through players with foul trouble.
Melo missed many open guys. He refuses to pass quickly out of the double team. That MUST change!
His shooting looks really good on his fresh legs. Now, make the passes and get to the next level of stardom. I don't want to hear that he needs to force those shots because he can't trust his teammates. TRUST YOUR DAMN TEAMMATES AND THEY WOULD HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE.
0 assists in the second half once again. He has guys open on those doubles all the time - get it to them.
Papabear Says
Who would you rather have take shots besides Melo? You have a bunch of guys who can't shoot. how many layups did Shump miss? What about the rest of the team. If it was not for Melo we would have lost this game so please stop wishing that Melo pass the ball to a shooter who will only throw up a brick.
So if he gets a double team and he can passed to a wide open man, he should force the shot on 2 or 3 defenders? That's not team basketball. Hit your teammate and trust your teammate and they have more trust in themselves.
nixluva wrote:50% - 23 Assists!!! If the Knicks hit their FT's this is an easy win. We can't overanalyze this win. Just take it and back to work for the next game. It's already an improvement over previous years in terms of ball sharing. It's gonna take ever more time and for Jose to get healthy and then we should see a higher level of team ball.
That maybe true, but i would have like to see melo make make that extra pass, especially in the clutch.
He's has been passing a litte more (old habits don't break over night) and the rotation is a little deeper than I would like, but you can't argue with what seems to be working
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:50% - 23 Assists!!! If the Knicks hit their FT's this is an easy win. We can't overanalyze this win. Just take it and back to work for the next game. It's already an improvement over previous years in terms of ball sharing. It's gonna take ever more time and for Jose to get healthy and then we should see a higher level of team ball.That maybe true, but i would have like to see melo make make that extra pass, especially in the clutch.
He's has been passing a litte more (old habits don't break over night) and the rotation is a little deeper than I would like, but you can't argue with what seems to be working
Said this in the game thread. Melo does not usually initiate changes in style during a game, but he will play along if the rest of the team is executing and moving the ball.
He is what he is, so I'm not dogging him when I say he is not necessarily a leader, but a follower. He is very influenced by how his teammates play and that is what is going to make Melo change for the better.
When his teammates get sloppy, Melo often follows suit. When his teammates brick some shot, Melo often pounds the rock and shoots.
So I think it will be Fish successfully getting the team as a whole to play the game right that will pull Melo along with the tide. That's not to say Melo can't or won't spark rallies. Of course he can. He had a nice steal and a score late against Charlotte, but generally everybody was sloppy after early 2nd quarter with flashes of individual moments.
You do need to surround Melo with good players and good systemic play. I'm way past getting upset over his inability to elevate his teammates. That is not his game, so you have to elevate him. He's already an elite scorer, but the rest of his game requires consistent inspiration and reinforcement from the play of his teammates.