Knicks · next year's free agents (page 2)

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:If the goal is to start the slowest team ever cool

Lmao!!! This is true. I don't really like anyone on the list truthfully. Knicks will be able to sign someone or possibly 2 if we scoop the cheaper ones. That's why i chose Milsap and Gasol. We'd definitely be the slowest team in the league lol

Gasol is slow; while Millsap is quick enough to cover 3's. I really like that frontcourt you came up with. Excellent passing and each person in the frontcourt has an inside-outside game. But I think its a long shot that we get Marc Gasol into a Knick uniform although I'd love it if we did. More likely than not, we'll have to settle for Greg Monroe as our 5, which I have mixed feelings on.

P.S., with key members of the Nuggets core struggling, I'd still look into parlaying a deal with them. I think the ex-Knicks they have (and Darrell Arthur) would fit the triangle like a glove. Unfortunately, those guys are not great rebounders, so there would be some cause for concern. I doubt they'd put us into contention but would certainly make be an improvement and would make things interesting.

I agree the Nuggets look like a team that desperately needs to flush out a bit. I personally do not think FA next year is that great--rather flush out and be realistic for 2016. I already made a post where Id be willing to take on Mcgee's contract for next year IF I get Greene and this years top 5 restricted #1. We need cheap assets that can be material gains to build a core foundation. If you take an honest look at our situation--we need two years at a minimum to revamp. That is UNLESS multiple teams want to give us longer contracts for our ending contracts--weve tried that before and failed--but it is an option.

I definitely think that McGee gets a bad rap, some deserved but most of it overstated. People tend to look at him and view him in terms of what he SHOULD be, instead of what he can do. I'm watching the Nuggets game as we speak and it's clear that he can have some value to an NBA franchise, if he's coming off the bench. Paying a backup $11 million/yr makes fans a bit weary but McGee wouldn't be attainable if he wasn't a bit overpaid. In any case, I'd take a waiver on the guy at the right price. I don't know if we could extract a pick from that Nuggets team but I suspect that they'd be willing to offer several core players if it allowed them to condense an extremely deep roster and to save some money in the process.

Mcgee could play himself back into good graces and he has played well so far. But getting beyond that and sticking with the KNicks--notice no one has answered this:

************************************The big problem with the Knicks next year

Were going to likely have to renounce almost every big but that leaves us with 40.5mm on the books not including our draft pick.

When we try to "sell" a free agent --this is the team you are selling

C- No one

PF--No one

F--Melo

G-J R Smith

PG Jose Calderon (35 years old)

back up C--no one
back up PF --Quincy Acy(if we opt in on him)
back up 2 G Tim Hardaway

bench player C Early

So essentially we will have a team that is one year older with many more vacancies zero front-line except perhaps Acy and what 18mm to spend? Oh yeah if Shumpert plays well this year--you can make that salary cap less because it might cost 5+mm to retain him.

I mean if you do take an honest look 4ward--we need a high value draft pick and we might play ourselves out of 1 to finish in the 8 seed and get blown out b y anyone in the top spot.

This dude has the physical tools but at this point one has to question his motivation. He is making major bank and will going forward but to really be in the next level takes a love for the game, for the work and serious motivation. Not saying he is "eddy", but one has to question his upside from here.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:If the goal is to start the slowest team ever cool

Lmao!!! This is true. I don't really like anyone on the list truthfully. Knicks will be able to sign someone or possibly 2 if we scoop the cheaper ones. That's why i chose Milsap and Gasol. We'd definitely be the slowest team in the league lol

Gasol is slow; while Millsap is quick enough to cover 3's. I really like that frontcourt you came up with. Excellent passing and each person in the frontcourt has an inside-outside game. But I think its a long shot that we get Marc Gasol into a Knick uniform although I'd love it if we did. More likely than not, we'll have to settle for Greg Monroe as our 5, which I have mixed feelings on.

P.S., with key members of the Nuggets core struggling, I'd still look into parlaying a deal with them. I think the ex-Knicks they have (and Darrell Arthur) would fit the triangle like a glove. Unfortunately, those guys are not great rebounders, so there would be some cause for concern. I doubt they'd put us into contention but would certainly make be an improvement and would make things interesting.

I agree the Nuggets look like a team that desperately needs to flush out a bit. I personally do not think FA next year is that great--rather flush out and be realistic for 2016. I already made a post where Id be willing to take on Mcgee's contract for next year IF I get Greene and this years top 5 restricted #1. We need cheap assets that can be material gains to build a core foundation. If you take an honest look at our situation--we need two years at a minimum to revamp. That is UNLESS multiple teams want to give us longer contracts for our ending contracts--weve tried that before and failed--but it is an option.

I definitely think that McGee gets a bad rap, some deserved but most of it overstated. People tend to look at him and view him in terms of what he SHOULD be, instead of what he can do. I'm watching the Nuggets game as we speak and it's clear that he can have some value to an NBA franchise, if he's coming off the bench. Paying a backup $11 million/yr makes fans a bit weary but McGee wouldn't be attainable if he wasn't a bit overpaid. In any case, I'd take a waiver on the guy at the right price. I don't know if we could extract a pick from that Nuggets team but I suspect that they'd be willing to offer several core players if it allowed them to condense an extremely deep roster and to save some money in the process.

Mcgee could play himself back into good graces and he has played well so far. But getting beyond that and sticking with the KNicks--notice no one has answered this:

************************************The big problem with the Knicks next year

Were going to likely have to renounce almost every big but that leaves us with 40.5mm on the books not including our draft pick.

When we try to "sell" a free agent --this is the team you are selling

C- No one

PF--No one

F--Melo

G-J R Smith

PG Jose Calderon (35 years old)

back up C--no one
back up PF --Quincy Acy(if we opt in on him)
back up 2 G Tim Hardaway

bench player C Early

So essentially we will have a team that is one year older with many more vacancies zero front-line except perhaps Acy and what 18mm to spend? Oh yeah if Shumpert plays well this year--you can make that salary cap less because it might cost 5+mm to retain him.

I mean if you do take an honest look 4ward--we need a high value draft pick and we might play ourselves out of 1 to finish in the 8 seed and get blown out b y anyone in the top spot.

I get what you are saying but if the Knicks are going target several good pieces instead of one big name player as Phil has alluded is the plan this isn't a big deal. And in any case is our current squad with a bunch of overpaid stiffs like Bargnani any more palatable? Our situation next season is what it is. FA's will have to be on board with being part of a team that is building.

1- Fit in Triangle
2- Fit with CA
3- PRICE (with limited asset's and little ability to improve after next summer, can we convince players to take less in hopes of a future deal for more money after 2017 predicted lockout/new bargainning contract)

with the SF/PF, basically has to have the ability to rebound/ quickness/speed/mbility/athleticism to defend shoots, while being to contribute in versatile and many ways like Odom/Pau Gasol was
Possible fits

UFA
Thad Young
Millsap
Rudy Gay despite what all may think about him, his athletcism, size, strength, allows him to play both OFF and DEF at SF/PF (with G skills)

on a lower level, Tony Wroten who I have hoped to trade for who is carrying this weak Philly team by himself, especially if we trade AB/STAT to Philly and use assets to do so in order to go under the tax this season to reset and save 60m due to being repeat tax offenders in tax/salaries
KJ McDaniels will also develop to be a very good G/F with Tenacious together on DEF

I have made it known early in the summer that I like both Wroten and Darko Milicic, I think UK posters now can see why I liked Wroten now, his size/strength/athleticism/speed/quickness/ability to facilitate/steals and being stuck to a rookie contract while still will be getting better, leaving salary to improve in other areas

IF Philly see's MKW as their future PG with their Noel/Embid as their PF/C, they will need SHOOTERS to spread the floor, and Tim Hardaway JR is great at that, while leaving room/time to develop/sign other talents with cap space to assemble their roster
So I would be willing to offer a 2020 1st round draft pick or 2022, Tim Hardaway JR

Trade, without assets but offer only shorter contracts or maybe even Calderon and add ins, (with the contracts of STAT/AB and fill ins)

Josh Smith
David Lee
Hibbert/David West/Copeland

Wilson Chandler (Denver's team has a lot of B tier players)

Kobe

For Center, Phil Jackson wanted Pau Gasol for a reason, his all round game, ability to post up and facilitate/defend/and familirity with the Triangle despite his age concerns

Marc Gasol - I do not think he is max player but someone will overpay for his services, now if we can convince 3 players to take less with player options after the 2017 season to compensate salaries, coming at a risk for Marc's age

Al Jefferson

Lopez
Asik

PG and SG candidates (higher salaries)

Dragic
Jeff Green

ROLE PLAYERS, lower salaries, from 2.5-5m

Lin
Randy Foye (team option) Lou Williams
Gereld Green/Danny Green/Wesley Johnson

Wesley Mathews (cost probably 6m-8m)
Wilson Chandler (team option, cost efficient, that they should pick up and likely would if they can trade Gallo for an expiring)
KJ McDaniels

Jeff Adrien/Dantie Cunningham

Matt Barnes *aging but familiar with triangle and PJ* probably good risk/reward for vet min only
Ed Davis

Bynum (who knows what he is worth at this point but if we can get him for cheap, Phil Jackson will give him a chance)

DeMarre Caroll
Hickson/Speights (team options)

Copeland

With Knick's not picking up Larkin's contract at his price, it is apparent Phil Jackson has plans to assemble a roster and needs all the cap space he needs to do so
It is unlikely we keep Iman for the same reason unless he resigns for less than the qualifying offer on a short term deal like 2 year 3-3.5m
Phil Jackson sold CA on the plan to get better and resign with us, with his track record, we assembles TIER 1 players together

Too many vet min possiblities just list a few

KG - lets put the Cheerios behind us, leadership and toughness is something he provides
Reggie Evans if Acy leaves
Kapono

Lavoy Allen/Edoh
Donald Sloan
Jeffrey Taylor

Summer League and D League roster

H1AND1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:If the goal is to start the slowest team ever cool

Lmao!!! This is true. I don't really like anyone on the list truthfully. Knicks will be able to sign someone or possibly 2 if we scoop the cheaper ones. That's why i chose Milsap and Gasol. We'd definitely be the slowest team in the league lol

Gasol is slow; while Millsap is quick enough to cover 3's. I really like that frontcourt you came up with. Excellent passing and each person in the frontcourt has an inside-outside game. But I think its a long shot that we get Marc Gasol into a Knick uniform although I'd love it if we did. More likely than not, we'll have to settle for Greg Monroe as our 5, which I have mixed feelings on.

P.S., with key members of the Nuggets core struggling, I'd still look into parlaying a deal with them. I think the ex-Knicks they have (and Darrell Arthur) would fit the triangle like a glove. Unfortunately, those guys are not great rebounders, so there would be some cause for concern. I doubt they'd put us into contention but would certainly make be an improvement and would make things interesting.

I agree the Nuggets look like a team that desperately needs to flush out a bit. I personally do not think FA next year is that great--rather flush out and be realistic for 2016. I already made a post where Id be willing to take on Mcgee's contract for next year IF I get Greene and this years top 5 restricted #1. We need cheap assets that can be material gains to build a core foundation. If you take an honest look at our situation--we need two years at a minimum to revamp. That is UNLESS multiple teams want to give us longer contracts for our ending contracts--weve tried that before and failed--but it is an option.

I definitely think that McGee gets a bad rap, some deserved but most of it overstated. People tend to look at him and view him in terms of what he SHOULD be, instead of what he can do. I'm watching the Nuggets game as we speak and it's clear that he can have some value to an NBA franchise, if he's coming off the bench. Paying a backup $11 million/yr makes fans a bit weary but McGee wouldn't be attainable if he wasn't a bit overpaid. In any case, I'd take a waiver on the guy at the right price. I don't know if we could extract a pick from that Nuggets team but I suspect that they'd be willing to offer several core players if it allowed them to condense an extremely deep roster and to save some money in the process.

Mcgee could play himself back into good graces and he has played well so far. But getting beyond that and sticking with the KNicks--notice no one has answered this:

************************************The big problem with the Knicks next year

Were going to likely have to renounce almost every big but that leaves us with 40.5mm on the books not including our draft pick.

When we try to "sell" a free agent --this is the team you are selling

C- No one

PF--No one

F--Melo

G-J R Smith

PG Jose Calderon (35 years old)

back up C--no one
back up PF --Quincy Acy(if we opt in on him)
back up 2 G Tim Hardaway

bench player C Early

So essentially we will have a team that is one year older with many more vacancies zero front-line except perhaps Acy and what 18mm to spend? Oh yeah if Shumpert plays well this year--you can make that salary cap less because it might cost 5+mm to retain him.

I mean if you do take an honest look 4ward--we need a high value draft pick and we might play ourselves out of 1 to finish in the 8 seed and get blown out b y anyone in the top spot.

I get what you are saying but if the Knicks are going target several good pieces instead of one big name player as Phil has alluded is the plan this isn't a big deal. And in any case is our current squad with a bunch of overpaid stiffs like Bargnani any more palatable? Our situation next season is what it is. FA's will have to be on board with being part of a team that is building.

Several good pieces in the NBA cost a LOT of money--way more than what we have. We have somewhere around 20mm to spend IF we dont keep Shumpert but thats just another position to fill. And we would also have to account for cap-holds a draft pick Hardaway JR etc...

I compare him to a Greg Monroe/Mahimi as ceiling/low...
He is a player I think would be very good given 1-2 years of development and continue to get stronger
I see him going anywhere from mid round drafts to the early 2nd round

He is one of the key pieces I think we could use for our future
Terry Rozier, PG/SG *Bledsoe lite comparisions* is another I like but question would he fit in with the Triangle

but

if they both drop to early 2nd rounds, I certaintly would look to buy another back or/and trade down to acquire both players

RonRon wrote:Briggs wanted to know your thoughts on Dakari Johnson

I compare him to a Greg Monroe/Mahimi as ceiling/low...
He is a player I think would be very good given 1-2 years of development and continue to get stronger
I see him going anywhere from mid round drafts to the early 2nd round

He is one of the key pieces I think we could use for our future
Terry Rozier, PG/SG *Bledsoe lite comparisions* is another I like but question would he fit in with the Triangle

but

if they both drop to early 2nd rounds, I certaintly would look to buy another back or/and trade down to acquire both players

There's no way we're getting all those guys with that amount

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:Briggs wanted to know your thoughts on Dakari Johnson

I compare him to a Greg Monroe/Mahimi as ceiling/low...
He is a player I think would be very good given 1-2 years of development and continue to get stronger
I see him going anywhere from mid round drafts to the early 2nd round

He is one of the key pieces I think we could use for our future
Terry Rozier, PG/SG *Bledsoe lite comparisions* is another I like but question would he fit in with the Triangle

but

if they both drop to early 2nd rounds, I certaintly would look to buy another back or/and trade down to acquire both players

Johnson has an nBA body and great mentality--hes not going to go round 2.

I agree but he is a realistic player to draft given our possible selection and need
In terms of ability to still develop and contribute, IMO, we should be scouting Kentucky's BIG's
He is in a sense overshadowed by a lot of their talent and his ceiling is very high considering his mock position

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:Briggs wanted to know your thoughts on Dakari Johnson

I compare him to a Greg Monroe/Mahimi as ceiling/low...
He is a player I think would be very good given 1-2 years of development and continue to get stronger
I see him going anywhere from mid round drafts to the early 2nd round

He is one of the key pieces I think we could use for our future
Terry Rozier, PG/SG *Bledsoe lite comparisions* is another I like but question would he fit in with the Triangle

but

if they both drop to early 2nd rounds, I certaintly would look to buy another back or/and trade down to acquire both players

Johnson has an nBA body and great mentality--hes not going to go round 2.

I agree but he is a realistic player to draft given our possible selection and need
In terms of ability to still develop and contribute, IMO, we should be scouting Kentucky's BIG's
He is in a sense overshadowed by a lot of their talent and his ceiling is very high considering his mock position

I do not think the Knicks are a good team. They will falter--maybe hard and it will be in the team's best long term interests. The odds of getting pick 1 are so remote that I cant speculate on it other than to say Id pick Okafor. That being said--my personal plan would be to get one or both of Harrell or Kaminsky.

smackeddog wrote:I'd say the failure to pick up Larkins option indicates we'll be targeting a PG- only way that move makes sense (no point in paying Calderon AND Larkin, if you're wanting to snag another pg)

With our lack of post up options and our unwillingness to extend 1.7m to Larkin who is currently our STARTING PG and probably still our BEST DEFENDER at the PG position
Phil Jackon's Plans

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D
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I think PJ already has a couple of backup or/and upgrades in his mind already for next years PG's
possibily even previously undrafted *ie, Langston Galloway, who IMO played well in the system on both ends as a backup*/upcoming draft *Delon Wright*

or/and

looking to upgrade our PG and moving Calderon to a smaller role, like say Dragic or Lin and a backup in Andre Miller (has the ability to post up to initiate our OFFENSE)
Maybe even DEFENSIVE BIG guards for the cheap with skill sets similar to Tourre Murry/Darrius Morris