Knicks · Like to see if we could get Nate Wolters for a couple of 2's (page 1)

BRIGGS wrote:and move Prigs to someone else. Bucks have 4 PG's--I like the potential of Wolters at 6-5 from that position

I think it's more likely that they move Mayo before they move any of their other lead guards.

NumberTwoPencil wrote:Deal. However, with Calderon coming back . . . I doubt it will happen.

I would be looking at him as our number 2 PG who can play with Jose if needed but also learn from him. He put up good enough numbers and his play was too good to sit on a bench. At 6-5 with his style of play and already proven game--there is 0 downside.

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

He played well against the Knicks last year. I think he was their starter for awhile because of injuries last year. He held his own.

The way to help build our team is to identify guys who are not being used by their teams--but should be. Right now Im sure Nate's agent and Nate are not happy that he went from nearly making the all rookie team playing very well in the SL to bench warmer. This helps facilitate trades. Not every deal needs to be a 9 player deal or go for broke. Piece meal trades--heck offer them a 2 plus 1 mm in cash. We need to see if we can pull a couple of these types of trades off. If they blow up--no biggie--if you hit you just bought very low--so youre a big winner. I dont really care about Melo--he'll be ok. But our PG position needs rebuilding.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

If you have not seen Nate Wolters play--then why even bother responding on this thread?

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

If you have not seen Nate Wolters play--then why even bother responding on this thread?

Don't get defensive. I stated clearly that I have not seen him play.

You have ... though his stats are awful. Is he just mr. intangible?

I am asking why his stats are so awful. The eye test does not completely trump stats.

Ever think that maybe this is why he has not earned PT?

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

The minutes dont matter though, you're posting stats when he has limited attempts to base them on.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

Nice analogy.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

The minutes dont matter though, you're posting stats when he has limited attempts to base them on.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

Nice analogy.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

The minutes dont matter though, you're posting stats when he has limited attempts to base them on.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

Nice analogy.

yet your beating down a rookie?

I did not beat down a rookie.

I want to know what is seen that is so impressive (eye test) to overcome bad stats.

Is his defense great? Is he a great passer? Glue guy?

Do you feel empowered when you reply to post like an azzhole?

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

The minutes dont matter though, you're posting stats when he has limited attempts to base them on.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

Nice analogy.

yet your beating down a rookie?

I did not beat down a rookie.

I want to know what is seen that is so impressive (eye test) to overcome bad stats.

Is his defense great? Is he a great passer? Glue guy?

Do you feel empowered when you reply to post like an azzhole?

It was based to help you understand such things, but it really doesnt matter, this is the second time of recent note you're using stats and havent watched the subject your bashing.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:haven't seen him play but the advanced stats on him are really ugly.

They guy had a 3.2-1 TO ratio last year--his first year and shot 44% as a 6-5 PG with really good skills. You need to be able to see the talent and it's pretty easy with him. Phil likes big smart PG's and he would immediately be a guy who could help us and at the same time be a piece for the long term future.

5 assist per 36 minutes is not too good.

48.6 TS is terrible and even worse than Felton.

He is a bad FT shooter and a terrible 3 point shooter.

Again, I have not seen him, all I have is his stats to go on.

How is his defense?

He did well in college, in all the areas you're referring to...so the talent is certainly there. As an NBA rookie he didnt shoot nearly enough to gauge statistically. Imo i see a Tony Wroten situation developing with him and would love to acquire him for a 2nd rounder.

He played 1300 minutes last year. That is significant minutes for a rookie.

The minutes dont matter though, you're posting stats when he has limited attempts to base them on.

By your logic Steve Nash should have quit the NBA after his third year since .471TS% just aint gonna cut it.

Nice analogy.

yet your beating down a rookie?

I did not beat down a rookie.

I want to know what is seen that is so impressive (eye test) to overcome bad stats.

Is his defense great? Is he a great passer? Glue guy?

Do you feel empowered when you reply to post like an azzhole?

Not really, but do you feel empowered to use stats while admitting you aint seen him at all? Did you at least watch the kid in college...he was very good there, everyone dont translate to the NBA immediately, thats why I used the Nash example.

It was based to help you understand such things, but it really doesnt matter, this is the second time of recent note you're using stats and havent watched the subject your bashing.

looked at his college stats and he was pretty efficient.

This one is on me. Should have looked at his college numbers before commenting on his 1300 minutes as a rookie.