Knicks · I don't think this is the season we need to push Melo (page 2)

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

yes, a thousand times yes!

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Bravo.

Needed that. It's been a while

gunsnewing wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Bravo.

Needed that. It's been a while

This time it was Phil he forced to give him everything he wanted right? Also Melo traded the picks, forced Lin away, made Felton eat the dougnuts, didnt inspire Tyson enough against Hibbert, stole Gallo's talent, runs CAA and will only play for a team who's owner loves the Eagles. Got it.

dk7th wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

yes, a thousand times yes!

Some owners lost too, because if they didn't

They wouldn't be putting it out there that another lockout looms

The owners are the ones who invoke options

To see the current deal through it's entirety or not

What rings true from what you said, those at the top of pay scale

Are learning the hard way that by taking their 25%, 30%, 35%

No one is joining them at the table to eat and NO

They won't accept the crumbs they drop from the table

In our case Phil had time on his hands to see

The changing climate of the league yet opted to shackle himself

To Carmelo's albatross and ridiculous contract

So I'm more angry at Phil than Carmelo, because Carmelo showed us

What he was all about when he forced his way here

Phil didn't have the juice to get Melo to buy in

So the "IN PHIL WE TRUST" bandwagon has taken a major hit of faith

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

newyorknewyork wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

newyorknewyork wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

Melo should have never traded a #1 for Bargs. Damn you fat melo, DAMN YOU!

And them dumb Melo doesn't even make the smart trade to get Lowry! Why? Because Lowry is too good for Melo and like with Lin, we know Melo is steadfast against having a PG on the team that gets more attention than him.

Damn you Melo!

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

Melo should have never traded a #1 for Bargs. Damn you fat melo, DAMN YOU!

And them dumb Melo doesn't even make the smart trade to get Lowry! Why? Because Lowry is too good for Melo and like with Lin, we know Melo is steadfast against having a PG on the team that gets more attention than him.

Damn you Melo!

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Bravo.

Needed that. It's been a while

you mean another year of Melo circle jerk? Thats what you needed? Good stuff.

This time it was Phil he forced to give him everything he wanted right? Also Melo traded the picks, forced Lin away, made Felton eat the dougnuts, didnt inspire Tyson enough against Hibbert, stole Gallo's talent, runs CAA and will only play for a team who's owner loves the Eagles. Got it.

Don't forget, Melo traveled back in time and messed with the Dolan family's jewels in order to provide MSG with the perfect imbecile owner who loves him. Melo destroyed Wilson and Moz from being anything but bit players in a deteriorating franchise, got Karl fired, insured Toronto would get Ujiri to abandon the Nuggets, and forced DLee to become an allstar in the Western conference.

Next up, Triple and his pom pom girls will explain to you (with massive +1's), the why's and how's behind the fact that the M in WMD actually stands for Melo.

Every move that we made around him was retarded.

newyorknewyork wrote:Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

That didn't happen because remember we were

IN WIN NOW MODE, you know BUILT TO BEAT THE HEAT

Might have been the more prudent thing to do

In hindsight although we would have needed a point guard badly

Which could of resulted in us giving Calderon a crazy deal like Dallas

And signing someone like Milsap or no one of significance

Leaving holes at the point guard and center positions

Now we could have piped dream thinking we had the assets to land Howard

Via trade or wait another yr thinking he'd come here via free agency

Either way you're talking about taking somewhat of a stepback

newyorknewyork wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

Hahaha this is so true. Unfortunately there will still be those out there who say this is all Melo's fault in one way or another, as well as letting Lin and Fields (2 young assets at the time) walk for nothing. Good management could have built a team around him the last couple of years without these mistakes. Could have added talent via free agency after letting Billups expire, Amare let go, Lin, Fields, Douglas traded for picks or other prospects if we knew we weren't going to keep them. But management was never on the same page with all of this, and was extremely shortsighted, similar to the view that Melo had anything to do with this. Imagine what this team would look like if each of those decisions were made properly?

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Thank God Knick fans have the Spurs to look up to. WTF would we do without Tim Duncan/Parker/Ginobli to talk about? Right, and if bullsh!t ran the league, the Heat would have won all 4 chips, instead of only 2, and it sure was nice of Dirk to take less money on his third or fourth contract.

I didn't lose the last labor war for NBA players. They did, and they lost badly.

Teams are essentially working against a "cap" based on the luxury tax and the repeater tax. While teams can, in theory, go into these areas, most teams will not, and the few that have seem to want to rectify that, and very soon.

In the modern NBA, if you want more help on your roster, and you are a player who can command max level money, then you either have to go to a team loaded with young players on rookie deals ( what LBJ did by going back to the Cavs) or you have to leave money on the table. That's it. Direct your anger at me all you want, doesn't change how the modern NBA and building a roster works. Doesn't change it one damn bit.

This issue is true for any NBA roster. If Durant and Westbrook want to complain about not having Harden on the roster, sorry guys, should have left some money back on the table. While OKC could have used the amnesty on Perkins, leaving money on the table would still have been a huge factor. If Chris Paul wants to complain about the Clippers not having more help on the wings, well he took a max deal, sorry dude, you wanted more help, you should have left more money. If he wants to complain about not having a better backup at PG to help him, sorry dude, you took max money, had to save cash somewhere to pay Blake and such, so you are going to have to eat it.

You take max money, you have to take the tradeoffs that come with it. If it's true for every other max level NBA star, it's true for Melo.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. He wanted to lock in his money before a new labor deal changed things, so he "forced" ( his words ) his way to NY, gutting them of assets, getting his max deal, but ensuring that , with STATs huge deal, that the Knicks would have little cap room and almost no assets anywhere else on the roster to build around them. He wanted to get drunk and show up at Chris Paul's wedding and make a toast about making a new "Big Three", triggering the entire Paul saga ( and as if what the Knicks had left, headlined by Landry Fields, would be enough to get Paul, esp with no room to pay him more money) He wanted Pringles gone (god forbid any coach or system that tries to take what the defense gives you),so he got the boot. He wanted no more Lin ( god forbid a young player gets MVP chants for leading the team to wins), so Lin's gone. Can't get along with Chandler. Tyson is gone. Wanted the rest of his CAA cronies here? Got that covered. Wanted max money to stay in NY, got that.

Melo has no one to blame but himself. The Knicks front office has no one to blame but themselves for giving Melo close to everything he wanted, at the cost of the team and it's future.

He could have waited Denver out, signed for less money to NY, without having the Knicks to gut their roster, and give Donnie Walsh a chance to build around him with real assets in play. He could have learned to get a long with coaches and players who have shown that can help the Knicks win. He could have realized in his 2nd Knicks contract that every dollar he takes is a dollar the Knicks can't spend on building a roster around him.

Ever see one of those women on Maury Povich who have four kids from four deadbeat dads, has bad credit, bad teeth, no job, no education, waddling onto the stage pregnant and still can't figure out why life has kept taking a dump on her face?

Sometimes some folks refuse to accept that in their own demise, they are the common denominator.

Since Melo has become a Knick, this team and roster have gotten progressively worse, not better. It's future is more bleak, not brighter.

If Melo has to burn heavy minutes. Tough luck dude. That's the reality of EVERY NBA STAR MAKING MAX MONEY. However there are some players who will give up some money for a better roster, and not having to grind so many minutes and not having to uproot their families searching for every last dime they can get. They get the "math" involved. Clearly Melo doesn't and clearly some of you don't.

Or Melo could have let Billups expire, and amnestied Amare giving Melo huge amount of cap space to build a contending team that we would have in place right now. That jerk.

Hahaha this is so true. Unfortunately there will still be those out there who say this is all Melo's fault in one way or another, as well as letting Lin and Fields (2 young assets at the time) walk for nothing. Good management could have built a team around him the last couple of years without these mistakes. Could have added talent via free agency after letting Billups expire, Amare let go, Lin, Fields, Douglas traded for picks or other prospects if we knew we weren't going to keep them. But management was never on the same page with all of this, and was extremely shortsighted, similar to the view that Melo had anything to do with this. Imagine what this team would look like if each of those decisions were made properly?

It wouldn't matter. Melo would force them to trade all the good decisions for the rights to Chris Smith. CAA, you know.

mreinman wrote:The notion that Melo completely depleted us and inhibited us from putting forth a competitive team is complete BS!

Every move that we made around him was retarded.

Even if you don't agree with every point Triple made, to not even be capable of seeing that Melo's self-centeredness is evident in his career moves goes beyond blind loyalty. It is the epitome of emotionally-driven logicians screaming back "Emotionally-driven logic". You guys are the bitter ones who can't see what a sad state this franchise is in and why we got the star we deserve.

Sure, the organization made dumb moves, but the core of everything it has done the past five years revolves around one player. If you think that player's personal motivations and ethics has nothing to do with the gutless teams we keep producing, then keep dreaming that Melo has no impact on this roster's attitude and production.

If you think the core player's temperament and attitude doesn't define a team and filter in the consciousness, demeanor and play of every teammate, then keep praying at your Melo altar.

Nah, Melo's not greedy. Nah, it has nothing to do with anything. Nah, saying he'd cooperate and then leaving only 4% of max on the table as a leftover for management to hunt for talent with is not greedy, its soooo generous!!! That's $5M from 5 years worth, not $5M per year to work with. Yeah, he so cares about building a team.

Yeah, Melo cares about winning. Keep stroking your god boys.

gunsnewing wrote:It's ok calderon is on his way back. The track to 54 wins is restored

True. The main difference between this season and that season is they started hot, sucked azz for a whole half season in the middle, then got hot at the end of the regular season.

This season will replicate that W-L record through inversion of that pattern whereby we suck at the beginning, get hot in the middle and suck at the end.

Who cares as long as we're in the playoffs again? That is the only thing that really counts.

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It's ok calderon is on his way back. The track to 54 wins is restored

True. The main difference between this season and that season is they started hot, sucked azz for a whole half season in the middle, then got hot at the end of the regular season.

This season will replicate that W-L record through inversion of that pattern whereby we suck at the beginning, get hot in the middle and suck at the end.

Who cares as long as we're in the playoffs again? That is the only thing that really counts.

Not only was 48-50 win projection wild talk to start the season

But going back to last yrs team citing the hot end streak

We still failed to make the playoffs and failed miserably

Because let's consider how bad Atlanta was down the stretch

They lost like 24-32gms something to this effect

They literally demonstrated instructional video performance

Of how to Micheal Jackson Motown Moonwalk your way into the playoffs

We couldn't catch them and dropped games to them and to

The likes of what we played yesterday, whatever the record was 16-7 down

The home stretch go take a look at those 7 losses

That in of itself told everyone all they needed to know about this team

Even in our glorious finish we were still horriful

mreinman wrote:The notion that Melo completely depleted us and inhibited us from putting forth a competitive team is complete BS!

Every move that we made around him was retarded.

+1

Splat wrote:This is hilarious. Melo worshippers evacuate their bowels over a literate itemization of the bed Melo made for himself.

Even if you don't agree with every point Triple made, to not even be capable of seeing that Melo's self-centeredness is evident in his career moves goes beyond blind loyalty. It is the epitome of emotionally-driven logicians screaming back "Emotionally-driven logic". You guys are the bitter ones who can't see what a sad state this franchise is in and why we got the star we deserve.

Sure, the organization made dumb moves, but the core of everything it has done the past five years revolves around one player. If you think that player's personal motivations and ethics has nothing to do with the gutless teams we keep producing, then keep dreaming that Melo has no impact on this roster's attitude and production.

If you think the core player's temperament and attitude doesn't define a team and filter in the consciousness, demeanor and play of every teammate, then keep praying at your Melo altar.

Nah, Melo's not greedy. Nah, it has nothing to do with anything. Nah, saying he'd cooperate and then leaving only 4% of max on the table as a leftover for management to hunt for talent with is not greedy, its soooo generous!!! That's $5M from 5 years worth, not $5M per year to work with. Yeah, he so cares about building a team.

Yeah, Melo cares about winning. Keep stroking your god boys.

Always a villian that we need to scapegoat and blame for all our problems. We have gone thru the same problems for yrs before Melo ever became a Knick.

Melo has every right to look out for his best interest. Its up to management to evaluate if what's in Melo's best interest is in line with Knicks best interest. If they aren't then u don't make the deal. Greg Manroe and Gasol may want a max contract this off season. If we give it to them are u gonna blame Monroe and Gasol or are u gonna blame Jackson if it don't work out?

Do u blame Amare for not taking less when we had major cap space to help build a winner? Was it a wise decision to sign him to that contract? Is it up to Melo to save us from our mistakes? How about the 2 lottery picks we traded to dump Jeffries so we could sign Amere and Felton. Is Melo to blMelo for that as well. Or trading Randolph and Crawford for nothing to get the cap space for Lebron. Only to overpay for Amare. Which we would all rather have Ranpolh at the moment.

There is a lot more evidence of this org making poor decisions with or without Melo then there is of Melo forcing them to make stupid decisions. And even if it was try about Melo. The fact that we would be weak enough to allow that type of person to run rampart in the org says more about the org then Melo.