Knicks · I Really Hope That We Lose To The Sixers (page 2)
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/11/the...
Complete Laughing Stock, they don't even have to win.
And you want the knicks to lose at home to this team, some of you need your heads examine
dk7th wrote:this is coming from someone who believes Danillo Gallinari is a better player for the money.knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I want a top pick. This year is the year to do it because this summer we will have cap space and next year i expect this team To be a playoff teamso long as carmelo anthony is a knick it's best to not squander draft picks if it means having to fit them around his ridiculous contract and tin-plated game. my list of players to bring on board in the next 3 seasons until melo has completely broken down:
marvin williams
oj mayo
alonzo gee
drew gooden
carlos boozer
tyreke evans
jamal crawford
rudy gay
shabazz napier
brandon jennings
josh smith
alan andersonwhy do you want your favorite teams best player to break down, why would you sign anyone of those players for more than a Buck, Explain to me why do you want your favorite team to be bad, to be horrible,. Why wouldn't you want one of your favorite teams to do well, to succeed, to finally get on track.
why do you want your favorite team to suffer because they sign a player you don't like, why not just stop being a fan of the team and save yourself the hardache.
why why why why why
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zzzzzzzzz....
knicks1248 wrote:THIS WILL BE A ALL TIME LOW if we lose to this gameI have mixed feelings. I dont believe losing helps, but I do believe drafting higher than lower DOES help. If we could get a high pick and draft one of these bigs who are very high quality it could really be a game changer. We arent winning crap this year... I think when you look at this roster its obvious. Could we grind out enough wins for the 8th seed? I think we could but I also think thats not the plan either. If it was they would be playing Amare 30 minutes and riding guys like Prigs more. Instead they are just fine with letting guys like Wear and Larkins take their lumps.http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/11/the...
Complete Laughing Stock, they don't even have to win.
And you want the knicks to lose at home to this team, some of you need your heads examine
dk7th wrote:knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I want a top pick. This year is the year to do it because this summer we will have cap space and next year i expect this team To be a playoff teamso long as carmelo anthony is a knick it's best to not squander draft picks if it means having to fit them around his ridiculous contract and tin-plated game. my list of players to bring on board in the next 3 seasons until melo has completely broken down:
marvin williams
oj mayo
alonzo gee
drew gooden
carlos boozer
tyreke evans
jamal crawford
rudy gay
shabazz napier
brandon jennings
josh smith
alan andersonwhy do you want your favorite teams best player to break down, why would you sign anyone of those players for more than a Buck, Explain to me why do you want your favorite team to be bad, to be horrible,. Why wouldn't you want one of your favorite teams to do well, to succeed, to finally get on track.
why do you want your favorite team to suffer because they sign a player you don't like, why not just stop being a fan of the team and save yourself the hardache.
why why why why why
zee zee zee zee zee zee
zzzzzzzzz....
wow. He's even using F500NE formatting...
I almost miss tkf. Almost.
Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
mreinman wrote:Anyone with me on this?TANK AGAINST THE TANKERS!
Lets see who can Out Tank the other!
Go Knicks!
we will have the same problems against them like we did against minny. they're both young teams... they'll steal the ball multiple times in passing lanes thanks to our overrated guards. they'll run our older players out the building. fisher will end up playing 11-12 players in the game.
it's the same story in the knicks losses... drive and kick the ball out to a wide open 3 pointer by the opponents. i wouldn't be surprised if we are the team that has given up more 3's than anyone in the nba. coming to the offense, we couldn't beat a team that has given 130+ points in the last 2 games before they played us..... what does that tell you... we are horrible on offense as well. that may improve with calderon on saturday, but statistically we should be even worse on defense.
franco12 wrote:I used to take some solace in losses like this as it was what I felt, a bottoming out that could wake Dolan up.same... the worse the embarrassment the better it was to see Dolan's nose rubbed in poop, but I 100% agree with you. I like Phil and especially like Fisher and dont want to see them take lumps but this really only has to be a one-year tank (sorry, "adjustment").Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
Looking at this draft I really want one of these centers. Obviously OK4 is a gem and could be another Duncan type player but man o man could we really use a nice young piece from this draft. If we are picking 10-12 is most likely Gallo/Chandler caliber, but if we pick in the top 5-6 we could come away with a legit corner stone type to bring along with the guys they throw money at.
Time will tell... in the meantime at least we have Melo to blame for everyone.
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:I used to take some solace in losses like this as it was what I felt, a bottoming out that could wake Dolan up.same... the worse the embarrassment the better it was to see Dolan's nose rubbed in poop, but I 100% agree with you. I like Phil and especially like Fisher and dont want to see them take lumps but this really only has to be a one-year tank (sorry, "adjustment").Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
Looking at this draft I really want one of these centers. Obviously OK4 is a gem and could be another Duncan type player but man o man could we really use a nice young piece from this draft. If we are picking 10-12 is most likely Gallo/Chandler caliber, but if we pick in the top 5-6 we could come away with a legit corner stone type to bring along with the guys they throw money at.
Time will tell... in the meantime at least we have Melo to blame for everyone.
I'm never going to trust a draft pick as a safe bet, it's been the biggest let down yr after yr after yr. We haven't drafted a keeper since EWING 30+ yrs ago..
2 out of 30 teams have been successful building through the draft in the last 20 yrs, and while OK4 seems like nice player, he's more likely to end up on consistent lottery team, then one trying to contend.
But your right about fish, he's just show casing guys, the 15 man rotation is a clear sign of tank mode.
knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:I used to take some solace in losses like this as it was what I felt, a bottoming out that could wake Dolan up.same... the worse the embarrassment the better it was to see Dolan's nose rubbed in poop, but I 100% agree with you. I like Phil and especially like Fisher and dont want to see them take lumps but this really only has to be a one-year tank (sorry, "adjustment").Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
Looking at this draft I really want one of these centers. Obviously OK4 is a gem and could be another Duncan type player but man o man could we really use a nice young piece from this draft. If we are picking 10-12 is most likely Gallo/Chandler caliber, but if we pick in the top 5-6 we could come away with a legit corner stone type to bring along with the guys they throw money at.
Time will tell... in the meantime at least we have Melo to blame for everyone.
I'm never going to trust a draft pick as a safe bet, it's been the biggest let down yr after yr after yr. We haven't drafted a keeper since EWING 30+ yrs ago..
2 out of 30 teams have been successful building through the draft in the last 20 yrs, and while OK4 seems like nice player, he's more likely to end up on consistent lottery team, then one trying to contend.
But your right about fish, he's just show casing guys, the 15 man rotation is a clear sign of tank mode.
We are a consistent lottery team--weve been in the lottery 12 out of 15 years!
BRIGGS wrote:Wroten hits his 9th three and the Sixers lead the Knicks 114-97 with two minutes left!
hate to say it, but thats sounds about right
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:I used to take some solace in losses like this as it was what I felt, a bottoming out that could wake Dolan up.same... the worse the embarrassment the better it was to see Dolan's nose rubbed in poop, but I 100% agree with you. I like Phil and especially like Fisher and dont want to see them take lumps but this really only has to be a one-year tank (sorry, "adjustment").Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
Looking at this draft I really want one of these centers. Obviously OK4 is a gem and could be another Duncan type player but man o man could we really use a nice young piece from this draft. If we are picking 10-12 is most likely Gallo/Chandler caliber, but if we pick in the top 5-6 we could come away with a legit corner stone type to bring along with the guys they throw money at.
Time will tell... in the meantime at least we have Melo to blame for everyone.
Now we're talking. Every champion has one cornerstone they drafted. Agree with both of you
gunsnewing wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:I used to take some solace in losses like this as it was what I felt, a bottoming out that could wake Dolan up.same... the worse the embarrassment the better it was to see Dolan's nose rubbed in poop, but I 100% agree with you. I like Phil and especially like Fisher and dont want to see them take lumps but this really only has to be a one-year tank (sorry, "adjustment").Now with Phil here, I'm not exactly in that same place. I like Phil and I like Derek.
But the best way for this franchise's fortunes to get turned around is by adding talent, there there is no FA talent that is franchise changing talent.
The only way to add that is through the draft - and there is no guarantee that with top picks in the next five years we would find it, but the %'s are definitely there.
Looking at this draft I really want one of these centers. Obviously OK4 is a gem and could be another Duncan type player but man o man could we really use a nice young piece from this draft. If we are picking 10-12 is most likely Gallo/Chandler caliber, but if we pick in the top 5-6 we could come away with a legit corner stone type to bring along with the guys they throw money at.
Time will tell... in the meantime at least we have Melo to blame for everyone.
Now we're talking. Every champion has one cornerstone they drafted. Agree with both of you
Ubuntu!
Or you mad out 30+ Marc Gasol.
Oh wait we don't have our 2016 pick Toronto does wow
fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:this is coming from someone who believes Danillo Gallinari is a better player for the money.knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I want a top pick. This year is the year to do it because this summer we will have cap space and next year i expect this team To be a playoff teamso long as carmelo anthony is a knick it's best to not squander draft picks if it means having to fit them around his ridiculous contract and tin-plated game. my list of players to bring on board in the next 3 seasons until melo has completely broken down:
marvin williams
oj mayo
alonzo gee
drew gooden
carlos boozer
tyreke evans
jamal crawford
rudy gay
shabazz napier
brandon jennings
josh smith
alan andersonwhy do you want your favorite teams best player to break down, why would you sign anyone of those players for more than a Buck, Explain to me why do you want your favorite team to be bad, to be horrible,. Why wouldn't you want one of your favorite teams to do well, to succeed, to finally get on track.
why do you want your favorite team to suffer because they sign a player you don't like, why not just stop being a fan of the team and save yourself the hardache.
why why why why why
zee zee zee zee zee zee
zzzzzzzzz....
why even go there? he's been out of the game for 19 months. how about derrick rose?
dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:dk7th wrote:this is coming from someone who believes Danillo Gallinari is a better player for the money.knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I want a top pick. This year is the year to do it because this summer we will have cap space and next year i expect this team To be a playoff teamso long as carmelo anthony is a knick it's best to not squander draft picks if it means having to fit them around his ridiculous contract and tin-plated game. my list of players to bring on board in the next 3 seasons until melo has completely broken down:
marvin williams
oj mayo
alonzo gee
drew gooden
carlos boozer
tyreke evans
jamal crawford
rudy gay
shabazz napier
brandon jennings
josh smith
alan andersonwhy do you want your favorite teams best player to break down, why would you sign anyone of those players for more than a Buck, Explain to me why do you want your favorite team to be bad, to be horrible,. Why wouldn't you want one of your favorite teams to do well, to succeed, to finally get on track.
why do you want your favorite team to suffer because they sign a player you don't like, why not just stop being a fan of the team and save yourself the hardache.
why why why why why
zee zee zee zee zee zee
zzzzzzzzz....
why even go there? he's been out of the game for 19 months. how about derrick rose?
Tired of talking up PG on one leg or Moz? Lin? Kevin Love?
Players I'd rather have then Melo:
Vin Baker
Herb Williams
Patrick Beverly
Hasheem Thabeet
David Lee
Kwame Brown
Greg Oden
Chris Bosh
Nerlens Noel
Steve Novak
Landry Fields
Toney Douglas
Andrew Toney
And Melo will be gone.
TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:The odds of drafting a really good player who will have an immediate impact, and won't break down as soon as someone breath's on them, is enormous, you can't deny this,and if you do, then your living in denial.
I don't think I've ever read anyone on here that has said the NBA draft is a stone cold lock. I think it's pretty clear it's a giant crapshoot.That being said, even with draft misses, what choice do team have?
Missing on picks is part of the process. That being said, all the strong teams in the NBA were built through the draft or through the moving of draft assets that were developed. ( That's a different story than just trading picks raw)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/draft.html
The Warriors could have cashed it in and just started selling picks after a four year stretch of Joe Smith, Todd Fuller, Cliff Rozier and Adonal Foyle. However, sometimes you are going to miss and miss ugly, but it's still a better odds move than hoping you can beg the once in a every decade true impact free agent to come to your city.
The Warriors got Draymond Green with the 35th overall pick in 2012.
Klay Thompson was the 11th pick in his draft. Stephen Curry was the 7th pick in his draft. The Warriors converted former 2nd rounder ( 40th overall) Monta Ellis into their current defensive pivot in Bogut. Even without a top three pick, not having one in the last decade, the Warriors held the course and rebuilt.
Every contender shows the same story. Strong mining in the 2nd round. Good value grabs in the late first. Good trades using players developed and moved in a "sell high" fashion for other valuable assets.
As for this "cap space" issue, there is no guarantee that these teams will get that giant cap space infusion all at once. Multiple sources and even the players union head is talking about a "smoothing" option, which would raise the cap incrementally over a period of years, so a one time shot in the arm doesn't disbalance the league too much at once.
The NBA Draft is a crapshoot, however it is a better odds path than just about every other scenario to rebuilding a team.
You can't however have the draft possibly help you if you keep jettisoning your picks and never put your hat in that ring in the first place.
The Detroit Lions under Matt Millen drafted three WRs in a row in the first round, each turning into a bust. When he got canned, the new regime faced the reality that the best player likely to be available to them was also a WR. The "easy" thing to do would be trade the pick, or pick a different player, so as not to continue a bad legacy. Except, at some point, you can't win unless you roll the dice.
The player they selected, despite knowing the backlash that might come, was Calvin Johnson, who is a very likely to be a future HOF wide receiver.
If the Knicks blow their 2015 pick and grab the wrong player who can't help them, then so what. It will suck. But at least they tried to build their team the right way and tried to start somewhere. Did you know that 90 percent of morbidly obese people, if they are one of the few that manage to get down to a healthy weight will likely regain all of that weight back? That's a statistical reality. However, would you rather they kept trying and hit the treadmill or just say "Fuck it", and shovel ice cream in their face until they dropped dead? Just because the odds are low doesn't mean the process is altogether worthless.
Have you seen the movie, Say Anything?
"No one thinks we are going to make it, do they?" - Diane Court
"You've just described every great success story." - Lloyd Dobbler
Bammm! Nice post.
The 2015 NBA draft is on June 25th and the Free Agency date is July 1st.
Should we land a top 3 pick we have a very very good chance of becoming A LOT more attractive to a Marquee player.
Wost case is that it is an INCREDIBLY valuable pick and though I want to keep it, it could also be something to nab a star (who might walk from their team in F.A. at the end of the year.) Sort of like how Love got to Cleveland.
I would sit with any of the top ranked centers though, looks like Franchise talentthere. Judging by our past ineptitude with trading picks, I think there is pressure on the front office not to move this pick (not that they care.)