Knicks · What would you rather battle hard and get 7-8 seed or lose as many games as we can (page 2)
gunsnewing wrote:We're coming for you Philly!!!!
Let's Go Philly Retard!
NardDogNation wrote:Splat wrote:Watson: 13-0 for Tanking Holmes! Gibber me sniggets, do you think everyone has voted already?Holmes: Highly improbable Watson. My powers of deduction indicate Nixluva has not voted yet.
Lol, you ass hat. Keep up the good work!
smackeddog wrote:Is this the first time we've all agreed on something this decade?
Probably in the entire existence of this board.
the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
We can do all that and win 30 games. Which top end free agents will that attract?
dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
What will attract a FA looking for more than a paycheck is a front office with a plan. A top 3 pick helps a lot more in that regard than the slim virtue of winning 35 games vs. 20 games. What helps is seeing guys emerge from our farm team that can really ball. If both ThaNasty and Sanchez bear fruit, that tells FA's we can pick em high and low in the draft and find key players off the radar.
Any player coming here would know its a rebuild regardless of resigning Melo, so they'd want to feel the past year made real strides in that direction by building a talent pipeline that will impact the roster soon. Saying we proved we could play the triangle is almost meaningless if most of the key players here today are out the door anyway.
Splat wrote:dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
What will attract a FA looking for more than a paycheck is a front office with a plan. A top 3 pick helps a lot more in that regard than the slim virtue of winning 35 games vs. 20 games. What helps is seeing guys emerge from our farm team that can really ball. If both ThaNasty and Sanchez bear fruit, that tells FA's we can pick em high and low in the draft and find key players off the radar.
Any player coming here would know its a rebuild regardless of resigning Melo, so they'd want to feel the past year made real strides in that direction by building a talent pipeline that will impact the roster soon. Saying we proved we could play the triangle is almost meaningless if most of the key players here today are out the door anyway.
okay i see your point. so it's a mistake to be playing stoudemire and the others when we could be giving wear and early.
dk7th wrote:Splat wrote:dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
What will attract a FA looking for more than a paycheck is a front office with a plan. A top 3 pick helps a lot more in that regard than the slim virtue of winning 35 games vs. 20 games. What helps is seeing guys emerge from our farm team that can really ball. If both ThaNasty and Sanchez bear fruit, that tells FA's we can pick em high and low in the draft and find key players off the radar.
Any player coming here would know its a rebuild regardless of resigning Melo, so they'd want to feel the past year made real strides in that direction by building a talent pipeline that will impact the roster soon. Saying we proved we could play the triangle is almost meaningless if most of the key players here today are out the door anyway.
okay i see your point. so it's a mistake to be playing stoudemire and the others when we could be giving wear and early.
unless we are trying to showcase him
dk7th wrote:Splat wrote:dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
What will attract a FA looking for more than a paycheck is a front office with a plan. A top 3 pick helps a lot more in that regard than the slim virtue of winning 35 games vs. 20 games. What helps is seeing guys emerge from our farm team that can really ball. If both ThaNasty and Sanchez bear fruit, that tells FA's we can pick em high and low in the draft and find key players off the radar.
Any player coming here would know its a rebuild regardless of resigning Melo, so they'd want to feel the past year made real strides in that direction by building a talent pipeline that will impact the roster soon. Saying we proved we could play the triangle is almost meaningless if most of the key players here today are out the door anyway.
okay i see your point. so it's a mistake to be playing stoudemire and the others when we could be giving wear and early.
Playing Stat and JR now is a pre-Dec. 15th factor. If they can be made more tradeable, that will soon be found out. After that, Stat becomes close to having no value to the club. JR can still be traded and removed for next year, so he may play until someone offers a deal.
Wear doesn't really detract from that much. Early is out.
Please Phil, consider this season as practice session for the triangle system and time for our promising youth to gain valuable playing time/experience. TANK HARD, get a high pick, and see what we can do in the off-season to net ourselves another high caliber player to form our own three headed monster. This is the year to do it!
Splat wrote:dk7th wrote:Splat wrote:dk7th wrote:why only these two choices?the knicks should play as hard as they can and see where it takes them, sticking with the triangle, because we want to look like an organization with a direction and not a desperate and ever-clueless franchise. win-loss records mean nothing if the team does not look like it is establishing an identity for the future. i said this season we had to look like an attractive destination-- how are ewe going to do that by tanking or wallowing in mediocrity while departing from the plan?
don't allow carmelo to play more than 32 minutes a game, and sit players who do not defend or comply with the triangle offense.
What will attract a FA looking for more than a paycheck is a front office with a plan. A top 3 pick helps a lot more in that regard than the slim virtue of winning 35 games vs. 20 games. What helps is seeing guys emerge from our farm team that can really ball. If both ThaNasty and Sanchez bear fruit, that tells FA's we can pick em high and low in the draft and find key players off the radar.
Any player coming here would know its a rebuild regardless of resigning Melo, so they'd want to feel the past year made real strides in that direction by building a talent pipeline that will impact the roster soon. Saying we proved we could play the triangle is almost meaningless if most of the key players here today are out the door anyway.
okay i see your point. so it's a mistake to be playing stoudemire and the others when we could be giving wear and early.
Playing Stat and JR now is a pre-Dec. 15th factor. If they can be made more tradeable, that will soon be found out. After that, Stat becomes close to having no value to the club. JR can still be traded and removed for next year, so he may play until someone offers a deal.
Wear doesn't really detract from that much. Early is out.
I hope we don't take on bad contracts when we trade these guys
gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick again
I would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
So you're saying Lottery pick and Melo
Equal no playoffs next year
So why did we give Melo the Melo Max?
Oh and don't look now but
Jabari Parker ask you how his tushy taste
VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
sidsanders wrote:knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
Haven't Derrick Rose and Paul George
Made the playoffs every yr they've been in the league?
1248 you might want to answer the door
Jabari's been ringing it
F500ONE wrote:sidsanders wrote:knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
Haven't Derrick Rose and Paul George
Made the playoffs every yr they've been in the league?
1248 you might want to answer the doorJabari's been ringing it
Dude are you sleeping under a rock or something,
How many high picks did the bulls have before landing rose, they had been trying to build through the draft for 10 straight yrs. what about eddy curry, tyson chandler, elton brand..are you kidding me, and remember, they couldn't get any FA to sign their despite their big market capabilities. Gasol is the biggest FA they have sign since Jordan left 17 yrs ago..
sidsanders wrote:knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
Exactly, why the hell do you invest in a player if you plan on tanking for lottery balls. That would make phils direction or plan about as dumb as Isiah and his stupid ass plan.
Don't start something and then scrap it, Like building a team to fit MDA's style and 3 months later, trade them all for a player who doesn't fit the system at all.
Phil already layed the ground work by signing melo for a hefty 5 yrs. The window is 2 yrs at best, you're not going to get your moneys worth in the last 2 to 3 yrs of his contract, just like AMARE.
knicks1248 wrote:F500ONE wrote:sidsanders wrote:knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
Haven't Derrick Rose and Paul George
Made the playoffs every yr they've been in the league?
1248 you might want to answer the doorJabari's been ringing it
Dude are you sleeping under a rock or something,
How many high picks did the bulls have before landing rose, they had been trying to build through the draft for 10 straight yrs. what about eddy curry, tyson chandler, elton brand..are you kidding me, and remember, they couldn't get any FA to sign their despite their big market capabilities. Gasol is the biggest FA they have sign since Jordan left 17 yrs ago..
If I'm sleeping under a rock then
You're sleeping at Earth's core
The Bulls made the playoffs a couple seasons prior to drafting Rose
They made the playoffs in 2004-2005, 2005-2006, 2006-2007
Missed 2007-2008 drafted Rose 2008-2009 and made the playoffs
You clearly asked what team has drafted a Lottery talent and made the playoffs that year
I proved it with 2 players of more recent drafts mind you
Sorry that I broke your spirit with facts
knicks1248 wrote:sidsanders wrote:knicks1248 wrote:VCoug wrote:knicks1248 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:We better be good next year since we don't have our pick againI would like you to give me ONE TEAM (since Labrons draft) in the NBA that had a high draft pick and made it to the playoffs the very next season, or even the season after that.
Losing is a culture, a Mind set thats extremely hard to break without a leader. Losing becomes to acceptable when it's consistently done. Bringing in a high draft pick into a losing culture, breeds losing players with talent.
What phil needs to do is establish a winning culture NOW, bringing in top picks like, wiggens, parker, cousins, kyrie,ect, doesn't change the fortunes or the culture, you still end up losing.
we already have a star player on this team, so I think of the draft as selecting the right player for this team, not the most talented. I want to bring this kid into a culture that successful, positive energy, and winning mentality.
Phil needs to get on the phone, and make a trade and find someone with a more leadership mind set. You can bring talent in all day, but when you put them around low IQ players and no leader, you get 30 win seasons yr aftr yr.
You won't get a single marquee FA to sign in 2015 or 2016 and unless you over pay them like we did AMARE. Who's coming into a losing culture, with a 31 yr old star thats 2 yrs away from declining, and bunch of young players thats 3 to 5 yrs away from understanding how to win.
I would never root for my team to lose, never ever, ever....Die hard PACKERS, YANKEES, KNICKS for life.
Your first premise, that a high draft pick needs to immediately make the playoffs within the 1st two seasons, is ridiculous and one of the reasons we've been terrible for 15 years. Your second premise, that losing breeds losing, is demonstratively false. In Durant's first two seasons the team won 20 and 23 games yet they're somehow perennial title contenders. In Stephen Curry's first three seasons the team won 26, 36, and 23 games but are now a very good maybe great team. Those are just two examples but there are countless others.
What's so ridiculous, is that you just answer your own question by pointing that curry and KD did not take their team to the playoffs the first 2 season they were in the league. Whats also ridiculous is that you called out 2 players in the last 10 drafts.
I think you guys are so hung up drafting a high pick instead of the right pick, and right fit. I'll say this, it's been very few high picks that have change the direction of the franchise in a short time.
You have solid young assets right now to make a solid trade to get a better players. Your not going to keep them anyway, so why not get something for them. You can make a trade like toronto did with lowery.
They started last season in tank mode now look at them, they had derozen, we have melo.
YOU CAN NOT PUT YOUNG PLAYERS around melo or you're throwing away a $125 million and good talent. This guy is not leader, doesn't make anyone better, and is smack dead in his prime.
The idea of rebuilding through a draft with your best player in his prime, seems backwards, and destine to be another management fck up joining a long list of fck ups..
By the time EWING (99 roster) got the right squad around him, he broke down, and thats exactly what will happen with melo if you don't make moves now
if you believe the bold part, why even bother to build around him. they should have traded him or let him walk if the bold is correct.
Exactly, why the hell do you invest in a player if you plan on tanking for lottery balls. That would make phils direction or plan about as dumb as Isiah and his stupid ass plan.
Don't start something and then scrap it, Like building a team to fit MDA's style and 3 months later, trade them all for a player who doesn't fit the system at all.
Phil already layed the ground work by signing melo for a hefty 5 yrs. The window is 2 yrs at best, you're not going to get your moneys worth in the last 2 to 3 yrs of his contract, just like AMARE.
all the more reason why the knicks can ill afford to tank-- they must strive to look like they are an attractive destination-- but i think things will come into focus after the deadline. there HAVE TO be deals to be made to ship stoudemire and smith out of new york and get players in return who have high potential to be developed AND who can make up for melo's deeply flawed game.