Knicks · Hail Stat! Leadership At Last (page 2)

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I'm personally sick of crap like this from SHAT. He is the worst. This is fake leadership. You lead by example. He has been in the league for a long time and still relies on his athletic abitily to overcome his lack of understanding of the game. Guy is a horrific defender and makes comments like that. That's talking, not leading.

Ah same stuff that was posted about Zach Randolph. Scks at D cant do this cant d that. Ends up we made a terrible trade removing him for essentially nothing. Any player with talent put in the right setting should do well. Amare is not a 40 minute player--hes a reserve and its impossible to throw bottles at Amare. His first year here he looked like a similar prime version of Patrick Ewing. He got hurt---hes played very well for what he is--a guy who has been devastated by injury and limited to 24 minutes.

Our backcourt is putrid we have no real C we have so many gaps that its impossible to blame one guy and certainly Amare is not reason 1 why we sck.

I disagree with the comparison. Zack's game evolved a lot, while STATs regressed. ZACK learned to share the ball, and defend his position. He was always a double double machine. Same can't be said for STAT

Zach is a good player. Its an absurd comparison. Zach can actually play within an offense or ISO, whatever is called for. He can pass the ball. He's a quality rebounder. He plays winning ball. He's consistent as hell.

I think ZACH is best suited for system ball

Consistently getting numbers on his terms probably wasn't the best route to go

Too many wasted possessions here and as the video

Showed above he did this against the defensive stalwart in Bargnani of all players

In regards to Amar'e when he said this

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

CLOSED CASKET on what kind of idiot we picked up

OMG that video is depressing!

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I'm personally sick of crap like this from SHAT. He is the worst. This is fake leadership. You lead by example. He has been in the league for a long time and still relies on his athletic abitily to overcome his lack of understanding of the game. Guy is a horrific defender and makes comments like that. That's talking, not leading.

Ah same stuff that was posted about Zach Randolph. Scks at D cant do this cant d that. Ends up we made a terrible trade removing him for essentially nothing. Any player with talent put in the right setting should do well. Amare is not a 40 minute player--hes a reserve and its impossible to throw bottles at Amare. His first year here he looked like a similar prime version of Patrick Ewing. He got hurt---hes played very well for what he is--a guy who has been devastated by injury and limited to 24 minutes.

Our backcourt is putrid we have no real C we have so many gaps that its impossible to blame one guy and certainly Amare is not reason 1 why we sck.

I disagree with the comparison. Zack's game evolved a lot, while STATs regressed. ZACK learned to share the ball, and defend his position. He was always a double double machine. Same can't be said for STAT

Zach is a good player. Its an absurd comparison. Zach can actually play within an offense or ISO, whatever is called for. He can pass the ball. He's a quality rebounder. He plays winning ball. He's consistent as hell.

Not true--lets be real.

Amare at one point was a top 5-10 NBA player on a great Phoenix team. Unstoppable. His first year with the Knicks he avg 25 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks. The contract was stupid because the md's told him what was going to happen. Since that time weve had a different Amare--still consistent but you look at his contract and then say well he scks on D hes stupid etc... hes limited in time and body. Would you be unhappy if he was giving us 25-9-3-2 right now? No because wed be 14-4 not 4-14. We took a 100mm $ risk with Amare--so stupid contract YES.

Not true? You respond to my comments that Zach is a good player and you don't even talk about Zach. Amare is an idiot basketball player. And, yes, it was a stupid contract.

Those are my two key points, stupid player and stupid contract, yet you dance around the topic like a Mexican jumping bean. Would you focus please?

Amare was a great player on a great team. Amare at his best was a better player than Zach Randolph. Hey we traded Zach to get Amare! Amare was jipped by injury. When healthy even if Amare couldnt tie his shoes--he was a top 5 NBA talent who was a shaq from the PF position.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I'm personally sick of crap like this from SHAT. He is the worst. This is fake leadership. You lead by example. He has been in the league for a long time and still relies on his athletic abitily to overcome his lack of understanding of the game. Guy is a horrific defender and makes comments like that. That's talking, not leading.

Ah same stuff that was posted about Zach Randolph. Scks at D cant do this cant d that. Ends up we made a terrible trade removing him for essentially nothing. Any player with talent put in the right setting should do well. Amare is not a 40 minute player--hes a reserve and its impossible to throw bottles at Amare. His first year here he looked like a similar prime version of Patrick Ewing. He got hurt---hes played very well for what he is--a guy who has been devastated by injury and limited to 24 minutes.

Our backcourt is putrid we have no real C we have so many gaps that its impossible to blame one guy and certainly Amare is not reason 1 why we sck.

I disagree with the comparison. Zack's game evolved a lot, while STATs regressed. ZACK learned to share the ball, and defend his position. He was always a double double machine. Same can't be said for STAT

Zach is a good player. Its an absurd comparison. Zach can actually play within an offense or ISO, whatever is called for. He can pass the ball. He's a quality rebounder. He plays winning ball. He's consistent as hell.

Not true--lets be real.

Amare at one point was a top 5-10 NBA player on a great Phoenix team. Unstoppable. His first year with the Knicks he avg 25 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks. The contract was stupid because the md's told him what was going to happen. Since that time weve had a different Amare--still consistent but you look at his contract and then say well he scks on D hes stupid etc... hes limited in time and body. Would you be unhappy if he was giving us 25-9-3-2 right now? No because wed be 14-4 not 4-14. We took a 100mm $ risk with Amare--so stupid contract YES.

Not true? You respond to my comments that Zach is a good player and you don't even talk about Zach. Amare is an idiot basketball player. And, yes, it was a stupid contract.

Those are my two key points, stupid player and stupid contract, yet you dance around the topic like a Mexican jumping bean. Would you focus please?

Amare was a great player on a great team. Amare at his best was a better player than Zach Randolph. Hey we traded Zach to get Amare! Amare was jipped by injury. When healthy even if Amare couldnt tie his shoes--he was a top 5 NBA talent who was a shaq from the PF position.

Dude, who cares? This is the Stat is stupid thread. Besides, whatever points you think you're making are citing all kinds of back-dated expired information. Nobody cares about Phoenix-era Stat. Knicks-era Stat bites the big one. Besides, Zach doesn't play like a total moron. Stat does. That's the point. Plus he talks crap. He's an idiot who'd rather talk about all the things he himself doesn't do. His teammates must think he's a buffoon. Nobody in their right mind would take what this guy says seriously. They must go "uh huh" to his face all the time and he is too dense to realize they think his version of leadership is a total joke. Amare is a joke.

This fraud has got some balls coming out with stuff about effort and attitude given his own pathetic contribution. It's a pity he doesn't put half the effort in a Knicks shirt as he does to his social life and media profile. He is a putrid basketball player and hopefully is in his final weeks as a New York Knick. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Amare, nobody (well maybe Briggs) will remember you.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I'm personally sick of crap like this from SHAT. He is the worst. This is fake leadership. You lead by example. He has been in the league for a long time and still relies on his athletic abitily to overcome his lack of understanding of the game. Guy is a horrific defender and makes comments like that. That's talking, not leading.

Ah same stuff that was posted about Zach Randolph. Scks at D cant do this cant d that. Ends up we made a terrible trade removing him for essentially nothing. Any player with talent put in the right setting should do well. Amare is not a 40 minute player--hes a reserve and its impossible to throw bottles at Amare. His first year here he looked like a similar prime version of Patrick Ewing. He got hurt---hes played very well for what he is--a guy who has been devastated by injury and limited to 24 minutes.

Our backcourt is putrid we have no real C we have so many gaps that its impossible to blame one guy and certainly Amare is not reason 1 why we sck.

I disagree with the comparison. Zack's game evolved a lot, while STATs regressed. ZACK learned to share the ball, and defend his position. He was always a double double machine. Same can't be said for STAT

Zach is a good player. Its an absurd comparison. Zach can actually play within an offense or ISO, whatever is called for. He can pass the ball. He's a quality rebounder. He plays winning ball. He's consistent as hell.

Not true--lets be real.

Amare at one point was a top 5-10 NBA player on a great Phoenix team. Unstoppable. His first year with the Knicks he avg 25 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks. The contract was stupid because the md's told him what was going to happen. Since that time weve had a different Amare--still consistent but you look at his contract and then say well he scks on D hes stupid etc... hes limited in time and body. Would you be unhappy if he was giving us 25-9-3-2 right now? No because wed be 14-4 not 4-14. We took a 100mm $ risk with Amare--so stupid contract YES.

Not true? You respond to my comments that Zach is a good player and you don't even talk about Zach. Amare is an idiot basketball player. And, yes, it was a stupid contract.

Those are my two key points, stupid player and stupid contract, yet you dance around the topic like a Mexican jumping bean. Would you focus please?

Amare was a great player on a great team. Amare at his best was a better player than Zach Randolph. Hey we traded Zach to get Amare! Amare was jipped by injury. When healthy even if Amare couldnt tie his shoes--he was a top 5 NBA talent who was a shaq from the PF position.

Dude, who cares? This is the Stat is stupid thread. Besides, whatever points you think you're making are citing all kinds of back-dated expired information. Nobody cares about Phoenix-era Stat. Knicks-era Stat bites the big one. Besides, Zach doesn't play like a total moron. Stat does. That's the point. Plus he talks crap. He's an idiot who'd rather talk about all the things he himself doesn't do. His teammates must think he's a buffoon. Nobody in their right mind would take what this guy says seriously. They must go "uh huh" to his face all the time and he is too dense to realize they think his version of leadership is a total joke. Amare is a joke.

Yeah, I don't really see the relevance of the Phoenix play either.

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k mart-37
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d will-29
Gordon hayward-33

Stats Defense has been the absolute least of our issues... Shumpert, THJ, and JR have been the worse defenders in the league and inconsistent and erratic on the offensive end. They get lit up on nightly basis, they never get to the FT line, and they have the lowest IQ i have every seen from a SG.

In fact the only big to have a decent game against us, was GREG MONROE (23 points), so please explain to me how stats defense is even a quarter of the reason we are 4-12

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I'm personally sick of crap like this from SHAT. He is the worst. This is fake leadership. You lead by example. He has been in the league for a long time and still relies on his athletic abitily to overcome his lack of understanding of the game. Guy is a horrific defender and makes comments like that. That's talking, not leading.

Ah same stuff that was posted about Zach Randolph. Scks at D cant do this cant d that. Ends up we made a terrible trade removing him for essentially nothing. Any player with talent put in the right setting should do well. Amare is not a 40 minute player--hes a reserve and its impossible to throw bottles at Amare. His first year here he looked like a similar prime version of Patrick Ewing. He got hurt---hes played very well for what he is--a guy who has been devastated by injury and limited to 24 minutes.

Our backcourt is putrid we have no real C we have so many gaps that its impossible to blame one guy and certainly Amare is not reason 1 why we sck.

I disagree with the comparison. Zack's game evolved a lot, while STATs regressed. ZACK learned to share the ball, and defend his position. He was always a double double machine. Same can't be said for STAT

Zach is a good player. Its an absurd comparison. Zach can actually play within an offense or ISO, whatever is called for. He can pass the ball. He's a quality rebounder. He plays winning ball. He's consistent as hell.

Not true--lets be real.

Amare at one point was a top 5-10 NBA player on a great Phoenix team. Unstoppable. His first year with the Knicks he avg 25 points 9 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks. The contract was stupid because the md's told him what was going to happen. Since that time weve had a different Amare--still consistent but you look at his contract and then say well he scks on D hes stupid etc... hes limited in time and body. Would you be unhappy if he was giving us 25-9-3-2 right now? No because wed be 14-4 not 4-14. We took a 100mm $ risk with Amare--so stupid contract YES.

Not true? You respond to my comments that Zach is a good player and you don't even talk about Zach. Amare is an idiot basketball player. And, yes, it was a stupid contract.

Those are my two key points, stupid player and stupid contract, yet you dance around the topic like a Mexican jumping bean. Would you focus please?

Amare was a great player on a great team. Amare at his best was a better player than Zach Randolph. Hey we traded Zach to get Amare! Amare was jipped by injury. When healthy even if Amare couldnt tie his shoes--he was a top 5 NBA talent who was a shaq from the PF position.

Dude, who cares? This is the Stat is stupid thread. Besides, whatever points you think you're making are citing all kinds of back-dated expired information. Nobody cares about Phoenix-era Stat. Knicks-era Stat bites the big one. Besides, Zach doesn't play like a total moron. Stat does. That's the point. Plus he talks crap. He's an idiot who'd rather talk about all the things he himself doesn't do. His teammates must think he's a buffoon. Nobody in their right mind would take what this guy says seriously. They must go "uh huh" to his face all the time and he is too dense to realize they think his version of leadership is a total joke. Amare is a joke.

Is stat the reason we take 12 FT's a game, is he the reason that guards come in and have career and seasons highs from all over the perimeter, is he the reason our SG's are dumber than dumber, is he the reason, our rotation is a fkng mess.

While mostly every NBA analyst have been raving about stat this season, the same old poster keep talking about his defense, like he's the reason this team is retarded, and the coach is clueless

knicks1248 wrote:krover-28
fournier-28
k mart-37
harden-36
d will-29
Gordon hayward-33

Stats Defense has been the absolute least of our issues... Shumpert, THJ, and JR have been the worse defenders in the league and inconsistent and erratic on the offensive end. They get lit up on nightly basis, they never get to the FT line, and they have the lowest IQ i have every seen from a SG.

In fact the only big to have a decent game against us, was GREG MONROE (23 points), so please explain to me how stats defense is even a quarter of the reason we are 4-12

We don't have to explain anything.

You can let the fan base of the teams those players play on deal with their public comments.

This thread is about our very own idiot named Amar'e Stoudemire and the public comments he makes about DEFENSE and being a student of the game and a master of his craft.

He is a schmuck. He talks about what he doesn't do. Over and Over and Over again. That's the point. I could care less about the defensive lapses of other players around the league, but I'll bet most of them don't publicly embarrass themselves even further by making such ludicrous statements.

Stat likes playing pin the tail on the donkey. He's just too clueless to realize he's the donkey.

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:krover-28
fournier-28
k mart-37
harden-36
d will-29
Gordon hayward-33

Stats Defense has been the absolute least of our issues... Shumpert, THJ, and JR have been the worse defenders in the league and inconsistent and erratic on the offensive end. They get lit up on nightly basis, they never get to the FT line, and they have the lowest IQ i have every seen from a SG.

In fact the only big to have a decent game against us, was GREG MONROE (23 points), so please explain to me how stats defense is even a quarter of the reason we are 4-12

We don't have to explain anything.

You can let the fan base of the teams those players play on deal with their public comments.

This thread is about our very own idiot named Amar'e Stoudemire and the public comments he makes about DEFENSE and being a student of the game and a master of his craft.

He is a schmuck. He talks about what he doesn't do. Over and Over and Over again. That's the point. I could care less about the defensive lapses of other players around the league, but I'll bet most of them don't publicly embarrass themselves even further by making such ludicrous statements.

Stat likes playing pin the tail on the donkey. He's just too clueless to realize he's the donkey.

Oh you made a thread to talk about comments from amare, your more bothered by his comments, then THJ's brutal defense. Amare's defense has been better than any player on the team not name acy.

So if your going be critical of Amare, please share the same venom about the other brutal defenders on the team, then i won't think your just a hater who makes bias comments

Funny how last week when JR said the team played with no heart, only to see him let HARDEN light is ass up like a christmas tree, there was no thread about how stupid he is.

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:krover-28
fournier-28
k mart-37
harden-36
d will-29
Gordon hayward-33

Stats Defense has been the absolute least of our issues... Shumpert, THJ, and JR have been the worse defenders in the league and inconsistent and erratic on the offensive end. They get lit up on nightly basis, they never get to the FT line, and they have the lowest IQ i have every seen from a SG.

In fact the only big to have a decent game against us, was GREG MONROE (23 points), so please explain to me how stats defense is even a quarter of the reason we are 4-12

We don't have to explain anything.

You can let the fan base of the teams those players play on deal with their public comments.

This thread is about our very own idiot named Amar'e Stoudemire and the public comments he makes about DEFENSE and being a student of the game and a master of his craft.

He is a schmuck. He talks about what he doesn't do. Over and Over and Over again. That's the point. I could care less about the defensive lapses of other players around the league, but I'll bet most of them don't publicly embarrass themselves even further by making such ludicrous statements.

Stat likes playing pin the tail on the donkey. He's just too clueless to realize he's the donkey.

Oh you made a thread to talk about comments from amare, your more bothered by his comments, then THJ's brutal defense. Amare's defense has been better than any player on the team not name acy.

So if your going be critical of Amare, please share the same venom about the other brutal defenders on the team, then i won't think your just a hater who makes bias comments

Are you incapable of observing the premise of a thread?

We are not obligated to you to discuss other players to soften the blow about comments on your pet Amare.

You and Briggs are flailing around injecting irrelevant comments simply because you don't like anyone to bash Stat. Too bad. Go start a thread then where you can compare the defensive failings of every player on this sorry roster to your heart's content. You can come up with a scoring system and rate them by degrees of atrociousness.

This thread is not about Tim Hardaway. Focus!

knicks1248 wrote:Funny how last week when JR said the team played with no heart, only to see him let HARDEN light is ass up like a christmas tree, there was no thread about how stupid he is.

The game threads have been a non-stop JR jokeathon. Apparently, your quest for quid pro quo bashing requires an equal balancing of threads initiated to attack each sorry player on the team at precise intervals so every week justice is meted out equally as you are implying is the only way to run a board.

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:krover-28
fournier-28
k mart-37
harden-36
d will-29
Gordon hayward-33

Stats Defense has been the absolute least of our issues... Shumpert, THJ, and JR have been the worse defenders in the league and inconsistent and erratic on the offensive end. They get lit up on nightly basis, they never get to the FT line, and they have the lowest IQ i have every seen from a SG.

In fact the only big to have a decent game against us, was GREG MONROE (23 points), so please explain to me how stats defense is even a quarter of the reason we are 4-12

We don't have to explain anything.

You can let the fan base of the teams those players play on deal with their public comments.

This thread is about our very own idiot named Amar'e Stoudemire and the public comments he makes about DEFENSE and being a student of the game and a master of his craft.

He is a schmuck. He talks about what he doesn't do. Over and Over and Over again. That's the point. I could care less about the defensive lapses of other players around the league, but I'll bet most of them don't publicly embarrass themselves even further by making such ludicrous statements.

Stat likes playing pin the tail on the donkey. He's just too clueless to realize he's the donkey.

Oh you made a thread to talk about comments from amare, your more bothered by his comments, then THJ's brutal defense. Amare's defense has been better than any player on the team not name acy.

So if your going be critical of Amare, please share the same venom about the other brutal defenders on the team, then i won't think your just a hater who makes bias comments

Are you incapable of observing the premise of a thread?

We are not obligated to you to discuss other players to soften the blow about comments on your pet Amare.

You and Briggs are flailing around injecting irrelevant comments simply because you don't like anyone to bash Stat. Too bad. Go start a thread then where you can compare the defensive failings of every player on this sorry roster to your heart's content. You can come up with a scoring system and rate them by degrees of atrociousness.

This thread is not about Tim Hardaway. Focus!

Amare is a bad defender, so he shouldn't say anything about the effort from the rest of his mates? If anyone needs to focus it's you sir. You have no idea why this team is bad. I've always said, I couldn't give two shts weather amare is here or not, there isn't a single player on this roster that will go down as my favorite knick, i don't care for any of them.

I'm just as critical about amare when he's playing like a jack ass as well as any player on the roster. Amare is having a solid season, and that doesn't matter to you. Even if amare had 10 blocks and 10 steals you would still have nothing but hate, and negative comments..and to me that makes zero sense.

Fisher said pretty much the same thing Amare said, where's the hate for him. He's the one in charge of having is team prepared and ready.

knicks1248 wrote:Fisher said pretty much the same thing Amare said, where's the hate for him. He's the one in charge of having is team prepared and ready.

You're funny. That's the coach's job. If Stat actually knew how to play defense, then it wouldn't be so embarrassing. You think he's having a good season, yet teams still go on big runs with him on the court. He's a clown on defense. He can work hard, but he can't do it intelligently, because he's a BB moron. Him talking about defense is like Pavoratti talking about his fitness regimen.

The original post was his words. So you're saying you respect his statements to the press? You think it shows he is a leader to call out his teammates on defense, to boast about being a student of the game and a master of his craft? You find this notable and respectable and not ludicrous?

If so, then you're in a tiny minority at this point. Stat is a joke. If he's as good as you think he is, he'll land a nice fat contract with somebody next year. The reality though is he'll get something close to a minimum contract at best or he'll be playing in Israel.

Thinking about the growth of Zach Randolph makes me wonder if Greg Monroe can/will see similar growth.

Amare is easily 2nd best player on team if he could go 36 every night he'd still be 20 10 2 2 the problem w the knicks is other than stat and melo everyone else scks phil jackson nice moves with quincy acy jose calderon jason smith!

BRIGGS wrote:Amare is easily 2nd best player on team if he could go 36 every night he'd still be 20 10 2 2 the problem w the knicks is other than stat and melo everyone else scks phil jackson nice moves with quincy acy jose calderon jason smith!

I wouldn't even disagree with you, except it is still a sad commentary on the state of the Knicks. Saying Melo and Stat are our two best players is also a concession that our two best players sometimes excel at one end of the court. When your two best overpaid stars are one-way players and the rest of the team is in meltdown, it is small comfort saying Stat can get us some points in loss after loss. He can talk big and try to impose himself on other teams and occasionally he'll have his way on offense. Then on other nights, he'll fumble along with everyone else and not even be a factor on the offensive end. He's the antithesis of good basketball. Thank god he'll be out the door soon. He is no more a factor in building a winning culture than Mickey Mouse. He's a stupid basketball player no matter how much you love him.

BRIGGS wrote:Amare is easily 2nd best player on team if he could go 36 every night he'd still be 20 10 2 2 the problem w the knicks is other than stat and melo everyone else scks phil jackson nice moves with quincy acy jose calderon jason smith!

the problem is that he gives up more points than he gets. So, having him on the floor for 36 minutes may not be a good thing.

There was a reason why he was ranked 425th out of 430 players in Real Plus Minus (RPM) last season.

BRIGGS wrote:Amare is easily 2nd best player on team if he could go 36 every night he'd still be 20 10 2 2 the problem w the knicks is other than stat and melo everyone else scks phil jackson nice moves with quincy acy jose calderon jason smith!

Still a major MAJOR as the 1st and 2nd best players[If True]

Play for self and are easily the 2 biggest ball whores and defensive liabilities

Mankind has ever seen, I think Briggs you get caught up

In what the final box scores say instead of what you're actually watching

One sip of the Melogac or the Statrum or Smithessy

And you're on your way to an intoxicated sloppy mess of judgement

I'm tired of the broken record from fans who

Consistently blame the roster every yr, when the top heavy portion

Of it are paid a King's Ransom

It's their heads who should be on the platter not anyone else

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Amare is easily 2nd best player on team if he could go 36 every night he'd still be 20 10 2 2 the problem w the knicks is other than stat and melo everyone else scks phil jackson nice moves with quincy acy jose calderon jason smith!

the problem is that he gives up more points than he gets. So, having him on the floor for 36 minutes may not be a good thing.

There was a reason why he was ranked 425th out of 430 players in Real Plus Minus (RPM) last season.

That's just one stat though and it's definitely been criticized. Right now, his offensive and defensive ratings per 100 possessions are 113 and 107. I think he's playing at a pretty good level, though I definitely would not want him to be a top 4 player on the team.