Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
VCoug wrote:
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to? By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
I would be damn surprised if Berman has any clue about their present thinking. At 4-17, Phil would have to be a total numbskull not to go for a top pick. But then again, maybe Berman is right. After all, what can explain rushing back Melo after he looked temporarily crippled? And playing him big minutes immediately? It's all stupidity personified.
I guess I just validated Berman's thesis, lol.
Sad.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
If that was their thinking looking at this squad
And not paying attention to what both free agents
Have gone on record saying in the press the past year
Then most certainly we should all be more terrified
We never had a shot at Gasol-Love-Aldridge period
No matter if we squeaked into the playoffs
I think the reasonable man on the inside of the fan
Knows our plan is pretty flawed as currently constructed
And it started with the re-inking of Carmelo
When the Knicks were once freed from his bondage of contract
Phil is like a Modern Day Moses leading the Isrealites
Not to the Promise Land but instead back to Egypt
Scorpions, Locusts and Frogs. Oh my!
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.
But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.
NardDogNation wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.
Can't do that except in certain particular circumstances. When a free agent changes teams they're only allowed to increase or decrease each year's salary by 4.5% of the first year salary. So, if we signed Jackson to a contract starting at $14M we could only decrease his contract by $630k each season.
NardDogNation wrote:But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.
The idea of trading our 1st round pick is going to give me nightmares. 
VCoug wrote:NardDogNation wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.
Can't do that except in certain particular circumstances. When a free agent changes teams they're only allowed to increase or decrease each year's salary by 4.5% of the first year salary. So, if we signed Jackson to a contract starting at $14M we could only decrease his contract by $630k each season.
NardDogNation wrote:But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.
The idea of trading our 1st round pick is going to give me nightmares.
So the concept of frontloading contracts is over with? I hate this new CBA! I'm not sure which idiot thought it would be a good idea to severely handicap flagship franchises this badly but they deserve to be fired.
NardDogNation wrote:VCoug wrote:NardDogNation wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016
I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!
I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.
Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.
Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.
I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.
I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.
I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.
You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.
Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.
Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?
By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:
It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.
I'm now terrified.
Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.
Can't do that except in certain particular circumstances. When a free agent changes teams they're only allowed to increase or decrease each year's salary by 4.5% of the first year salary. So, if we signed Jackson to a contract starting at $14M we could only decrease his contract by $630k each season.
NardDogNation wrote:But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.
The idea of trading our 1st round pick is going to give me nightmares.
So the concept of frontloading contracts is over with? I hate this new CBA! I'm not sure which idiot thought it would be a good idea to severely handicap flagship franchises this badly but they deserve to be fired.
I don't think that's new to this CBA, I think that's been the rule for awhile.
Mark Gasol is a smart dude, he will gave much better options then the Knicks. Here is a question to all of you: what is his current team's record??? And what is our record?
Knicks1969 wrote:Mark Gasol is a smart dude, he will gave much better options then the Knicks. Here is a question to all of you: what is his current team's record??? And what is our record?
I am going to have to pass that question to JR. Not good at that math stuff.
Reggie Jackson on a Max contract is a recipe for disaster
Don't even want to go near him at that price
Knicks1969 wrote:Mark Gasol is a smart dude, he will gave much better options then the Knicks. Here is a question to all of you: what is his current team's record??? And what is our record?
Teams that win usually don't draft high or have big cap space. Most winning teams can orchestrate sign and trade but its a trade.
A free agent can have a big impact.
Franchise players usually resign. New GM, New coach, Cap space, Draft a stud.........and a prolific scorer already in place can be attractive.
What was miami's record the year before Bosh and Lebron joined? We very bad. they were tanking and letting expirings expire.
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Mark Gasol is a smart dude, he will gave much better options then the Knicks. Here is a question to all of you: what is his current team's record??? And what is our record?
Teams that win usually don't draft high or have big cap space. Most winning teams can orchestrate sign and trade but its a trade.
A free agent can have a big impact.
Franchise players usually resign. New GM, New coach, Cap space, Draft a stud.........and a prolific scorer already in place can be attractive.
What was miami's record the year before Bosh and Lebron joined? We very bad. they were tanking and letting expirings expire.
Miami was in the playoffs two striaght years before leBron and bosh joined.
We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY
Knicks1969 wrote:We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY
You sound very familiar?
So your angry if the stars don't come?
Don't knock Utah, I'm gonna guess their record the last 20 years better than ours!
Knicks1969 wrote:We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY
Their teams are better, they get paid more if they stay, and they can get a 5th year if they stay. I think Phil is looking to sign a couple of good players with the cap space. That is what he has been saying. Aldridge has said he is staying in Portland. My guess is Gasol really won't be on the market if Memphis is willing to pay him and give him the fifth year.
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY
You sound very familiar?
So your angry if the stars don't come?
Don't knock Utah, I'm gonna guess their record the last 20 years better than ours!
Dude.....the Utah comparison is because FAs just refuse to go there. Not because Utah is a bad organization. As for star power, as long as that star is a two way player like Gasol, I am fine
The knicks thinking has never been about tanking, the talent on this team is average. But the record indicates we couldn't beat a good college team. The future of this team is being run by a coach who has no clue, so it doesn't matter what kind of talent you have,they have no direction.
You can get a top 5 draft pick like Drummond and look how well he has detroit. Some of you guys live in fantasy land. When that draft comes and we miss out, your going to be shaking your head just like you were when kemba walker strolled from the top of the key all the way to the basket in 4 seconds. All so close but yet so far.
