Knicks · Knicks Should Use Our Trade Exception on Kirilenko! (page 1)

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

That works and if we can get a 2nd round pick all the better. Maybe we can rebuild his trade value and flip him somewhere else.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

That works and if we can get a 2nd round pick all the better. Maybe we can rebuild his trade value and flip him somewhere else.

I was originally thinking about dumping him but I suppose we can give him some burn to pump up his trade value. The only thing is that we have a ton of depth at the forward spots and that means we potentially lose out on the opportunity to do the same for our own players.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:He expires this yr, so fine by me. I would worry about him potentially improving the team if he stays healthy, which I don't really want.

The days of him being able to do that are long gone. He might be a rotation player but I don't know of how much of a true difference maker he can be.

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

That works and if we can get a 2nd round pick all the better. Maybe we can rebuild his trade value and flip him somewhere else.

I was originally thinking about dumping him but I suppose we can give him some burn to pump up his trade value. The only thing is that we have a ton of depth at the forward spots and that means we potentially lose out on the opportunity to do the same for our own players.

Eh, I don't see us being able to pump up Acy, Smith, or Bargnani's trade value.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

That works and if we can get a 2nd round pick all the better. Maybe we can rebuild his trade value and flip him somewhere else.

I was originally thinking about dumping him but I suppose we can give him some burn to pump up his trade value. The only thing is that we have a ton of depth at the forward spots and that means we potentially lose out on the opportunity to do the same for our own players.

Eh, I don't see us being able to pump up Acy, Smith, or Bargnani's trade value.

You're probably right. I still think that Smith is a good role player though. He's atrocious on defense but that just might be a result of our team being so bad. I don't remember him being this bad on that side of the floor with the Pelicans.

TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

IIRC, when AK47 signed the deal, the entire issue raised a lot of eyebrows in the NBA players union and with a lot of NBA owners, because it was clear that AK47 ( Russian) and Prokorov( Russian) had some kind of hush hush handshake type deal that both the union and the owners don't like.

Generally speaking, when a player takes a massively below market contract ( while AK47 is only about a 10-12 minute a game type player now, he's worth more than 3.3 annually), the implied social compact with the franchise is that they won't trade you. It sends a negative precedent with future free agents. It also can raise discord in your own locker room.

Most player trade exceptions simply are never used. Sad it works out that way, but trades can be complicated fits for most teams.

There is no way the Knicks can extract a pick for a guy on a hush hush wink wink below market deal, the retrade him for another pick. If the Nets were in a situation where they going to trade AK47 ( likely by his desire), and he could extract a pick, they'd just trade him for a pick at the deadline. Why would they give up a pick to watch another team flip him for a pick? That makes zero sense. That makes absolutely zero sense for the Nets.

1) Odds are, the Nets won't trade AK47 unless he asks for it.

2) Odds are, if he asks for a trade, considering he left money on the table ( at least in public), the Nets would probably try to accommodate him by trading him to a contender for some asset of close to no value ( i.e like a long shot Euro stash where another team holds the rights to a guy they know has a 1/1000th chance to make an NBA rotation) .

3) If by some reason AK47 is just cool with the Nets trading him anywhere, and he has some trade value, the Nets will look to GET an asset, not surrender one. It's not like his contract situation is a giant albatross on their cap situation and it's not like the luxury tax implications are going to be so much easier by dumping him.

The Nets save $12 million, just from dumping Kirilenko. That's a significant amount of change and enough of an incentive to dump him. I can't speak to what will happen but it seems like a deal is imminent and that the Nets will be surrendering a 2nd rounder to Philadelphia. If them, why not us?

NardDogNation wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

IIRC, when AK47 signed the deal, the entire issue raised a lot of eyebrows in the NBA players union and with a lot of NBA owners, because it was clear that AK47 ( Russian) and Prokorov( Russian) had some kind of hush hush handshake type deal that both the union and the owners don't like.

Generally speaking, when a player takes a massively below market contract ( while AK47 is only about a 10-12 minute a game type player now, he's worth more than 3.3 annually), the implied social compact with the franchise is that they won't trade you. It sends a negative precedent with future free agents. It also can raise discord in your own locker room.

Most player trade exceptions simply are never used. Sad it works out that way, but trades can be complicated fits for most teams.

There is no way the Knicks can extract a pick for a guy on a hush hush wink wink below market deal, the retrade him for another pick. If the Nets were in a situation where they going to trade AK47 ( likely by his desire), and he could extract a pick, they'd just trade him for a pick at the deadline. Why would they give up a pick to watch another team flip him for a pick? That makes zero sense. That makes absolutely zero sense for the Nets.

1) Odds are, the Nets won't trade AK47 unless he asks for it.

2) Odds are, if he asks for a trade, considering he left money on the table ( at least in public), the Nets would probably try to accommodate him by trading him to a contender for some asset of close to no value ( i.e like a long shot Euro stash where another team holds the rights to a guy they know has a 1/1000th chance to make an NBA rotation) .

3) If by some reason AK47 is just cool with the Nets trading him anywhere, and he has some trade value, the Nets will look to GET an asset, not surrender one. It's not like his contract situation is a giant albatross on their cap situation and it's not like the luxury tax implications are going to be so much easier by dumping him.

The Nets save $12 million, just from dumping Kirilenko. That's a significant amount of change and enough of an incentive to dump him. I can't speak to what will happen but it seems like a deal is imminent and that the Nets will be surrendering a 2nd rounder to Philadelphia. If them, why not us?

Philly is below and will pay a penalty for being under salaried. We are not.
Would you rather give Wears Minutes to AK47?

The season is gone.

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

IIRC, when AK47 signed the deal, the entire issue raised a lot of eyebrows in the NBA players union and with a lot of NBA owners, because it was clear that AK47 ( Russian) and Prokorov( Russian) had some kind of hush hush handshake type deal that both the union and the owners don't like.

Generally speaking, when a player takes a massively below market contract ( while AK47 is only about a 10-12 minute a game type player now, he's worth more than 3.3 annually), the implied social compact with the franchise is that they won't trade you. It sends a negative precedent with future free agents. It also can raise discord in your own locker room.

Most player trade exceptions simply are never used. Sad it works out that way, but trades can be complicated fits for most teams.

There is no way the Knicks can extract a pick for a guy on a hush hush wink wink below market deal, the retrade him for another pick. If the Nets were in a situation where they going to trade AK47 ( likely by his desire), and he could extract a pick, they'd just trade him for a pick at the deadline. Why would they give up a pick to watch another team flip him for a pick? That makes zero sense. That makes absolutely zero sense for the Nets.

1) Odds are, the Nets won't trade AK47 unless he asks for it.

2) Odds are, if he asks for a trade, considering he left money on the table ( at least in public), the Nets would probably try to accommodate him by trading him to a contender for some asset of close to no value ( i.e like a long shot Euro stash where another team holds the rights to a guy they know has a 1/1000th chance to make an NBA rotation) .

3) If by some reason AK47 is just cool with the Nets trading him anywhere, and he has some trade value, the Nets will look to GET an asset, not surrender one. It's not like his contract situation is a giant albatross on their cap situation and it's not like the luxury tax implications are going to be so much easier by dumping him.

The Nets save $12 million, just from dumping Kirilenko. That's a significant amount of change and enough of an incentive to dump him. I can't speak to what will happen but it seems like a deal is imminent and that the Nets will be surrendering a 2nd rounder to Philadelphia. If them, why not us?

Philly is below and will pay a penalty for being under salaried. We are not.
Would you rather give Wears Minutes to AK47?

The season is gone.

I'd rather another trade that condenses the roster or eat Bargnani's deal. Either way, we need that pick.

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F500ONE wrote:AK47 to Sixers looks like

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ne...

they are soooooooooooooooooooooooo out tanking us

NardDogNation wrote:The Nets are going to suck a copious amount of ass in the not too distant future. It would be great if we got an early 2nd round pick for acquiring Kirilenko's contract. We have a $3.6 million trade exception from the Chandler-Calderon deal and Kirilenko only makes $3.3 million. I'd have to imagine that the deal works under the new CBA.

These guys like Kirilenko whom spend more time in suits off the court than
In uniforms Jerseys on court never pan out in NY

I say no
Kiri is Mister nondurable

NardDogNation wrote:...yet another squandered opportunity to add picks. A 2020 2nd rounder and a pick swap in 2018 might not sound like much but what's $3 million (i.e. Kirilenko's salary) to us? We'd be getting something for nothing and we need all the assets we can get.

Nets will never ever deal with us- it's not an option. There's no way they'd give us a pick- stuffs personal between the owners.

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:...yet another squandered opportunity to add picks. A 2020 2nd rounder and a pick swap in 2018 might not sound like much but what's $3 million (i.e. Kirilenko's salary) to us? We'd be getting something for nothing and we need all the assets we can get.

Nets will never ever deal with us- it's not an option. There's no way they'd give us a pick- stuffs personal between the owners.

Is there anything personal when it comes to business? And I thought that Phil had full autonomy over the team.

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:...yet another squandered opportunity to add picks. A 2020 2nd rounder and a pick swap in 2018 might not sound like much but what's $3 million (i.e. Kirilenko's salary) to us? We'd be getting something for nothing and we need all the assets we can get.

Nets will never ever deal with us- it's not an option. There's no way they'd give us a pick- stuffs personal between the owners.

Is there anything personal when it comes to business? And I thought that Phil had full autonomy over the team.

The problem isn't Dolan, it's that the Russian owner hates us- why would he trade AK47 to us when he can trade AK47 to the Sixers?

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:...yet another squandered opportunity to add picks. A 2020 2nd rounder and a pick swap in 2018 might not sound like much but what's $3 million (i.e. Kirilenko's salary) to us? We'd be getting something for nothing and we need all the assets we can get.

Nets will never ever deal with us- it's not an option. There's no way they'd give us a pick- stuffs personal between the owners.

Is there anything personal when it comes to business? And I thought that Phil had full autonomy over the team.

The problem isn't Dolan, it's that the Russian owner hates us- why would he trade AK47 to us when he can trade AK47 to the Sixers?

I think that the hate is contrived to generate ratings. There's no rational reason for Prohkrov to have any real issue with Dolan. But I suppose that we could always undercut the Sixers's offer. They forced the Nets to take back Brandon Davies contract....we could've assumed the contract without trading any contracts.