Knicks · Mike Woodson Was a Genius (page 2)

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

keep telling yourself that. That 54 win team was garbage. They were gutless in the playoffs. They were an abomination.

If numbers are so great, then Melo's scoring title makes him a top 10 player despite being the lowest ranked defensive player at his position in the NBA. You can cherry pick statistics all you want.

gunsnewing wrote:The worst thing Fisher could do is give up on teaching the triangle and completely turn the reigns over to Melo and let him iso. Sure we may reach 30 wins but it would be another catastrophic blunder by this organization

Probably true. Though you can see how peoples' brains are whirring, trying to resurrect the ghost of Mike Woodson by claiming he was smart for letting Melo be Melo.

Its the sound of chickens with their heads cut off running around the courtyard.

You have to stand your ground and get the team to play team ball or send them packing. Capitulate now and it just becomes a pack of wild dogs chucking shots.

And this is not about THE TRIANGLE whatever the Broussard article reported. They don't like playing the triangle. Oh horsechit! They don't like playing fundamental basketball. The triangle is not rocket science. It sounds like we have a bunch of aholes on this squad and they don't want to apply themselves.

Splat wrote:

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

keep telling yourself that. That 54 win team was garbage. They were gutless in the playoffs. They were an abomination.

If numbers are so great, then Melo's scoring title makes him a top 10 player despite being the lowest ranked defensive player at his position in the NBA. You can cherry pick statistics all you want.

Can't cherry pick the most important stat of all..Wins..

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

keep telling yourself that. That 54 win team was garbage. They were gutless in the playoffs. They were an abomination.

If numbers are so great, then Melo's scoring title makes him a top 10 player despite being the lowest ranked defensive player at his position in the NBA. You can cherry pick statistics all you want.

Can't cherry pick the most important stat of all..Wins..

..... and humiliating losses in the playoffs .......

54 wins

How you like dem cherries?

We have won 4 games.

4.

and you are whining about winning 54?

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

keep telling yourself that. That 54 win team was garbage. They were gutless in the playoffs. They were an abomination.

If numbers are so great, then Melo's scoring title makes him a top 10 player despite being the lowest ranked defensive player at his position in the NBA. You can cherry pick statistics all you want.

Can't cherry pick the most important stat of all..Wins..

..... and humiliating losses in the playoffs .......

Beats the heck out of humiliating losses in the regular season..

misterearl wrote:StarksEwing1 - you play to win the game

We have won 4 games.

4.

and you are whining about winning 54?

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

misterearl wrote:54 wins seems like a decade ago

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:Woodson never got the credit he deserved...Woodson took this team as far as it could have gone..The second round and lost to a better Indiana team during his 54 win season...We saw the Knicks for exactly what they were..A one man show..The better team in Indiana exposed that and many of us couldn't accept it nor didn't we want to believe it..We should have won if it wasn't for the "coach" many cried..We are 4-19 now with essentially the same core minus flu Tyson and with a much better Amare...We didn't improve on it, so here we are...A new coach trying to find his way implementing his boss' system...Coaching is more than a system...It also means putting players in their best position to succeed..Woodson knew how to do that..Fisher has to learn this, among many other things...

Even if Indy was better, that was still one of the worst playoff coaching performances of all time. Rewriting history now and trying to make out Mike Woodson to be a decent coach in the context of the team's current woes is completely invalid. Mike Woodson was a trash coach. The only point being made here today that holds any weight is we had a trash team then, just as we do know and Woodson at least green lighted our chuckers and let them run the asylum. That helped get us halfway up the mountain, but it was never going any higher than that. Woodson was a terrible coach.

I don't have to rewrite history, it's already written..18-6 then 54 wins followed by a 37 win team...It's written..2 playoff appearance in 2 and 1/4 years..When was the last time that happened here..When will be the next time??

well said.

splat. History is written in the numbers.

keep telling yourself that. That 54 win team was garbage. They were gutless in the playoffs. They were an abomination.

If numbers are so great, then Melo's scoring title makes him a top 10 player despite being the lowest ranked defensive player at his position in the NBA. You can cherry pick statistics all you want.

Can't cherry pick the most important stat of all..Wins..

..... and humiliating losses in the playoffs .......

Beats the heck out of humiliating losses in the regular season..

That is the most pathetic thing you could have said. Glad it made you satisfied. You're real easy to please. Jim Dolan thanks you for your patronage.

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

And we crawled out of those humiliating playoff losses you relished so much into the next season of failure and decline leading us to where we are now.

So I guess then crawling leading to more crawling is something you're satisfied with.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.

We won 54 games on the back of one guy..How about adding other prime players once we shed ""dead salary" that's eating the cap..Don't call me a genius tho...I think that is Phil's plan...

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.