Knicks · Carmelo will consider waiving no-trade clause: source (page 4)

yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

That's exactly how I feel. It's crazy.

Goodness Gracious I had the trade kicker %age down but misapplied it

He gets 15% if traded not on the year salary but on the remaining salary of his contract

So he gave back supposedly $4-5mil but

He's entitled to nearly $20mil additional salary if traded between now and start of next season

This dude is a hella greedy scummy dross bag

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:DO people really fall for stories like these? smh.

That's exactly how I feel. It's crazy.

well to be honest some said the same thing about the melo/hardaway thing and that turned out to be true. Im not saying he wants to be traded however I wouldn't be surprised if he said he would waive the clause in the right circumstance, which are 2 different things. Its pretty clear Melo probably would have been in Chicago but they could only offer him like 50 million less so there was no way he was gonna take that

smackeddog wrote:Like I posted on the other thread:

I knew the whole no-trade clause thing would be a non-issue, because at the end of the day if we sucked enough, Melo would demand a trade. In fact, didn't 'a source' say at the time, part of his reasoning in signing with the knicks was guarantee the money first, and then he could always ask to be moved later (and I know people will blast him for that, but it's what most reasonable people would do in that situation).

I think we need to move Melo. It was a good enough idea attempting to rebuild around him, but I think this season combined with the realisation that there are no magic bullets in free agency (most of the top FA's are staying put), indicates it's going to take a lot longer to fix this mess. A top pick would be a great start, but I don't think Melo will have the patience or health for the three or so years it might take to start contending. If we keep him, likely we just miss the playoffs next year (or maybe scrape in). There's a lot more pressure if we keep him to blow our load this offseason, when the crop of agents available isn't worth it.

The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

Yes it was either Simmons or Wojo who tipped the thought process here

I also said, this was a clear indication he didn't trust Phil implicitly

In the back of his mind he was like Ceasar's Poop hits the fan

No he's not trading me and dumping me wherever he want

Because why would he demand a no trade clause of ask for such a kicker

At his payscale knowing the position it would place Phil and this organization in

And how is this any different than the Denver situation with his opt out

Once again he's trying to control exactly where he lands so that it comes with more riches

And for him to go out the back door at his lame concert so he isn't mugged by the crowd

F500ONE wrote:Goodness Gracious I had the trade kicker %age down but misapplied it

He gets 15% if traded not on the year salary but on the remaining salary of his contract

So he gave back supposedly $4-5mil but

He's entitled to nearly $20mil additional salary if trade between now and start of next season

This dude is a hella greedy scummy dross bag

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fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Goodness Gracious I had the trade kicker %age down but misapplied it

He gets 15% if traded not on the year salary but on the remaining salary of his contract

So he gave back supposedly $4-5mil but

He's entitled to nearly $20mil additional salary if trade between now and start of next season

This dude is a hella greedy scummy dross bag

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Well it's Scum Bag with Dross inserted between

dross
noun \ˈdräs, ˈdrȯs\

: unwanted material that is removed from a mineral (such as gold) to make it better

: something of low value or quality

Remove this Scummy Dross Bag from this organization so we can move on and get better

lol @ cha boi

Not sure of details of LA's picks.

Randle
no. 1 pick and the salaries of Lin and Nash works for me. Im ok with it being top three-Four protected.
Im ok with keeping Lin beyond this season if he fits phials specifications.

All in all this is way premature.

Clippers are not elite thus far and wondering if there is a trade there. I doubt they want to part with Griffith.

Nalod wrote:Not sure of details of LA's picks.

Randle
no. 1 pick and the salaries of Lin and Nash works for me. Im ok with it being top three-Four protected.
Im ok with keeping Lin beyond this season if he fits phials specifications.

All in all this is way premature.

Clippers are not elite thus far and wondering if there is a trade there. I doubt they want to part with Griffith.

Makes sense fan base would eat up having Lin back. Getting Lakers pick helps get a quality draft pick. I like Randle it would suffice for both teams. Kobe gets his side kick. Melo gets another big stage and his wife gets Hollywood. All wins as Phil helps his wife or life partner in the process.

When a trade goes down, what are all the suckers from the Melo Anti-Defamation League going to say then?

Human beings have an infinite capacity to live in denial. Some will still believe Melo cares about winning in spite of everything showing the opposite. Oh no, that's false psychoanalytical garbage they will exclaim like they always do. Fools.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

I think Dolan is the kind of dolt who will do it if someone like Isiah or Phil tells him its the right move. He seems to be susceptible to certain peoples charms and then will do anything they say. Well, hopefully this is the case!

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

????

Dolan is the one who pays it

Right, and that's why I'm saying he'd be pissed.
These two awful months with Melo would cost him an additional $17 mil

The other thing is you pay $17 mil but then that gets you out from having to pay the total $124 or whatever it is...So its not too bad a sell, Id imagine.

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

I think Dolan is the kind of dolt who will do it if someone like Isiah or Phil tells him its the right move. He seems to be susceptible to certain peoples charms and then will do anything they say. Well, hopefully this is the case!

I agree. Dolan has Daddy issues. Phil is perfect to fill that money pit hole in Dolan's heart.

Splat wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

I think Dolan is the kind of dolt who will do it if someone like Isiah or Phil tells him its the right move. He seems to be susceptible to certain peoples charms and then will do anything they say. Well, hopefully this is the case!

I agree. Dolan has Daddy issues. Phil is perfect to fill that money pit hole in Dolan's heart.

Not to get all Freudian but isn't the scuttlebutt that his father didn't hold him in the highest regard?

Splat wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

I think Dolan is the kind of dolt who will do it if someone like Isiah or Phil tells him its the right move. He seems to be susceptible to certain peoples charms and then will do anything they say. Well, hopefully this is the case!

I agree. Dolan has Daddy issues. Phil is perfect to fill that money pit hole in Dolan's heart.

I don't know why you guys bash Dolan so much. He turned over the show to Phil and Phil is going to turn this team around. Dolan is a good owner he dishes out money so you can't ask for anymore than that from an owner. You guys got it wrong he has brought so many quality winners here to help the Knicks. There is no doubt that Phil will change the culture here he is going to make winners out of the Knicks.

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

????

Dolan is the one who pays it

Right, and that's why I'm saying he'd be pissed.
These two awful months with Melo would cost him an additional $17 mil

The other thing is you pay $17 mil but then that gets you out from having to pay the total $124 or whatever it is...So its not too bad a sell, Id imagine.

The team that takes him on has to pay the kicker

This is why team's ask if a player will waive it to do a trade

The only possibly drawback is trying to go even steven on a deal dollar for dollar[another Kicker dude]

Then in that case it could be like taking back $17mil in addition

Take for instance as in what took place in the Raptors-Knicks trade which I had no freakin idea

Holy Rank Buckets this trade was Violently Wretched//////

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages...

Toronto to New York
Andrea Bargnani

5% - added $1,162,500 to 2013/14 salary.

lol @ Bargs banking an additional $1.2mil last year just because he exist

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Not sure of details of LA's picks.

Randle
no. 1 pick and the salaries of Lin and Nash works for me. Im ok with it being top three-Four protected.
Im ok with keeping Lin beyond this season if he fits phials specifications.

All in all this is way premature.

Clippers are not elite thus far and wondering if there is a trade there. I doubt they want to part with Griffith.

Makes sense fan base would eat up having Lin back. Getting Lakers pick helps get a quality draft pick. I like Randle it would suffice for both teams. Kobe gets his side kick. Melo gets another big stage and his wife gets Hollywood. All wins as Phil helps his wife or life partner in the process.

DJordan, Reddick, Crawford and two first rounders for Melo, THjr and Shump.

H1AND1 wrote:

Splat wrote:I agree. Dolan has Daddy issues. Phil is perfect to fill that money pit hole in Dolan's heart.

Not to get all Freudian but isn't the scuttlebutt that his father didn't hold him in the highest regard?

Dolan was a family failure. He fumbled around, tried to make a living at music, dropped in and out of college multiple times until he got a degree at SUNY New Paltz, then grudgingly joined the family business in his 30s. Once he was working for Daddy, he became a raging alcoholic, then rehabbed. That's the basic narrative.

We know Dolan has all kinds of compensation issues he masks with his money, like paying big salaries to professional musicians who are perfectly capable of making a nice living because they wouldn't give him the time of day otherwise. He's insecure. He lives in his father's shadow. He bought Phil's approval. He'll probably follow Phil into a total rebuild.

Vmart wrote:

Splat wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

I think Dolan is the kind of dolt who will do it if someone like Isiah or Phil tells him its the right move. He seems to be susceptible to certain peoples charms and then will do anything they say. Well, hopefully this is the case!

I agree. Dolan has Daddy issues. Phil is perfect to fill that money pit hole in Dolan's heart.

I don't know why you guys bash Dolan so much. He turned over the show to Phil and Phil is going to turn this team around. Dolan is a good owner he dishes out money so you can't ask for anymore than that from an owner. You guys got it wrong he has brought so many quality winners here to help the Knicks. There is no doubt that Phil will change the culture here he is going to make winners out of the Knicks.

Yeah, Dolan has been a good owner. Sorry, you're right.

F500ONE wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it comes out of the new team's pocket

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2014-1...

It is the team trading away the player that is responsible for paying the bonus — unless the contract was signed prior to the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement (Toronto Raptors’ Amir Johnson and Cleveland Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao), which is then paid by the acquiring franchise.

well that's good.
I'm sure Dolan would be pissed if they re-signed him just to play 2 months here and had to paid the $17 mil trade kicker though.

????

Dolan is the one who pays it

Right, and that's why I'm saying he'd be pissed.
These two awful months with Melo would cost him an additional $17 mil

The other thing is you pay $17 mil but then that gets you out from having to pay the total $124 or whatever it is...So its not too bad a sell, Id imagine.

The team that takes him on has to pay the kicker

This is why team's ask if a player will waive it to do a trade

The only possibly drawback is trying to go even steven on a deal dollar for dollar[another Kicker dude]

Then in that case it could be like taking back $17mil in addition

Take for instance as in what took place in the Raptors-Knicks trade which I had no freakin idea

Holy Rank Buckets this trade was Violently Wretched//////

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages...

Toronto to New York
Andrea Bargnani

5% - added $1,162,500 to 2013/14 salary.

lol @ Bargs banking an additional $1.2mil last year just because he exist

No, we are obligated to pay the kicker, not the receiving team. It is a lump sum payment at the time of the trade made by the Knicks, not a running expense added to the contract at the new destination.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Not sure of details of LA's picks.

Randle
no. 1 pick and the salaries of Lin and Nash works for me. Im ok with it being top three-Four protected.
Im ok with keeping Lin beyond this season if he fits phials specifications.

All in all this is way premature.

Clippers are not elite thus far and wondering if there is a trade there. I doubt they want to part with Griffith.

Makes sense fan base would eat up having Lin back. Getting Lakers pick helps get a quality draft pick. I like Randle it would suffice for both teams. Kobe gets his side kick. Melo gets another big stage and his wife gets Hollywood. All wins as Phil helps his wife or life partner in the process.

DJordan, Reddick, Crawford and two first rounders for Melo, THjr and Shump.

Not bad trade idea but I just can't see the Clips giving up their defensive anchor in Jordan for Melo. Unless Dalembert is included still having hard time seeing this go down.