Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
That's the funniest comment of the night
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
yeah ... the old excuse
good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.
He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.
Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
That's the funniest comment of the night
Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
yeah ... the old excuse
good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.
He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.
Mmmmm, sooo Jose's distribution, superior understanding of the triangle and ability to educate his teammates is not supposed to make those around him better?
I got a different memo at the beginning of the season than you
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
yeah ... the old excuse
good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.
He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.
he is a very expensive role player. what is his role again?
Knixkik wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
That's the funniest comment of the night
Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.
If you don't see why what you said is so brilliantly ironic, then six sides to a square is too much information
Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
yeah ... the old excuse
good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.
He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.
Mmmmm, sooo Jose's distribution, superior understanding of the triangle and ability to educate his teammates is not supposed to make those around him better?
I got a different memo at the beginning of the season than you
Superior understand of the triangle? What are you talking about? Has he ever even played in the triangle lol.
Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Splat wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
That's the funniest comment of the night
Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.
If you don't see why what you said is so brilliantly ironic, then six sides to a square is too much information
Don't try to get too creative. Thinking a player who has never played in the triangle somehow was brought here because he has great triangle knowledge to teach others clearly shows your expectations were a little off.
Anyone who thinks Calderon is starting caliber is just looking at it wrong. Remember all players fall in value as they age--Calderon has hit this. He's hit this.
mreinman wrote:Can we please stop making trades?? When was the last time we won a trade? The best way for us to win a trade is to avoid making them.
I am really surprised how bad calderon is. His efficiency numbers are great yet he can't get off his own shot.
He would best be used as an off the ball spot up shooter on a team with penetrators.
Can't believe we are locked into this guy.
But I thought that TS% and other advanced stats were impervious to a player's quality of teammates? What happened here exactly?
Enjoying people constantly blasting him as the worst PG ever, Looking forward to us trading him, then when he starts playing well, everyone hailing him as the greatest thing ever and how dumb we were to trade him (see Tyson- remember when the consensus on these boards was he was just Dalambert!).
When you're losing, everyone looks awful.
I saw the trade as getting rid of Felton, and adding the equivalent of a late first rounder (Larkin), and two promising 2nd rounders (Early and The Greek kid). When we didn't pick up Larkins option, the trade lost value for me. Calderon can contribute in the right situation. I'm not a fan of his, but he's not the reason why we're awful (we were losing just as much without him).
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
NardDogNation wrote:mreinman wrote:Can we please stop making trades?? When was the last time we won a trade? The best way for us to win a trade is to avoid making them.
I am really surprised how bad calderon is. His efficiency numbers are great yet he can't get off his own shot.
He would best be used as an off the ball spot up shooter on a team with penetrators.
Can't believe we are locked into this guy.
But I thought that TS% and other advanced stats were impervious to a player's quality of teammates? What happened here exactly?
The advanced stats told a mixed story about Calderon and what would happen was hard to predict. His win shares and wins produced were good but his on/off plus minus and adjusted plus minuses were bad every year.
smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
last seasons Mavs?
They're better off without him though. There's a difference between leading a team to success and simply being on a successful team.
F500ONE wrote:Everyone remember the summer battles I had with Nix
About Calderon, I was just trying to talk some sense into him
It's not a knock on Calderon, listen I'm sure he's a great
Teammate and he's solid for what he provides
But I knew day 1 he's///// how did Evelyn Lozado put it//////
HE'S A MUTHA EFFIN NON FACTOR
no, i always stop reading after you hit enter the first time.
smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
last seasons Mavs?
So you're saying if we had Dirk instead of Carmelo
He would be able to cover the sins of Calderon
Or are you saying make sure we have a good enough team
Around him so when it's winning time he sits 4th qrts
Agreed, now ask yourself how many Dirk's are there in this league
And do we even have comparable talent and coach to accomplish what they're doing-did
nyk4ever wrote:F500ONE wrote:Everyone remember the summer battles I had with Nix
About Calderon, I was just trying to talk some sense into him
It's not a knock on Calderon, listen I'm sure he's a great
Teammate and he's solid for what he provides
But I knew day 1 he's///// how did Evelyn Lozado put it//////
HE'S A MUTHA EFFIN NON FACTOR
no, i always stop reading after you hit enter the first time.
Replies like this are such classics and never get old
Just did a check through and YEP all BUTTONS on the switch board are working
Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
last seasons Mavs?
They're better off without him though. There's a difference between leading a team to success and simply being on a successful team.
They're better off because of adding Tyson and Parsons. To be honest I think the loss of Calderon had no impact. I think he's probably a neutral player who can play an okay role in the right situation (last years Mavs).
F500ONE wrote:smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
last seasons Mavs?
So you're saying if we had Dirk instead of Carmelo
He would be able to cover the sins of Calderon
Or are you saying make sure we have a good enough team
Around him so when it's winning time he sits 4th qrts
Agreed, now ask yourself how many Dirk's are there in this league
And do we even have comparable talent and coach to accomplish what they're doing-did
No, the poster said Calderon has only played on loser teams and never good teams- I was saying he played on a good team last year. But lets go back to pretending we're all stupid! Calderon MADE all of his teams lose! Remind me which teams he played on that he should have elevated to a higher level? I don't even like Calderon, but I think thats just daft. My misgivings regarding him were hollow stats and I still believe that- I don't think he really impacts the game either way.
smackeddog wrote:F500ONE wrote:smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.
Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.
last seasons Mavs?
So you're saying if we had Dirk instead of Carmelo
He would be able to cover the sins of Calderon
Or are you saying make sure we have a good enough team
Around him so when it's winning time he sits 4th qrts
Agreed, now ask yourself how many Dirk's are there in this league
And do we even have comparable talent and coach to accomplish what they're doing-did
No, the poster said Calderon has only played on loser teams and never good teams- I was saying he played on a good team last year. But lets go back to pretending we're all stupid! Calderon MADE all of his teams lose! Remind me which teams he played on that he should have elevated to a higher level? I don't even like Calderon, but I think thats just daft. My misgivings regarding him were hollow stats and I still believe that- I don't think he really impacts the game either way.
This is an interesting reply because when he was much younger
Playing in Toronto and in the so called terrible East
After Bosh left it was alottery losing there
But ironically Lowry takes the same set of players[some core and comparable talent] and elevates
Not to being just a winning team but one of the best teams
In the entire NBA, who are we trying to fool here Jose played
Backup to Jarrett Jack in Toronto and I think at one point to Mike James[might have to verify if correct]
