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knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:
Actually what you did was post graphs, charts, billboards, and power point presentations to sell anyone who would listen how this team cant possibly be worse than last years team.

And it IS, and that hurts your feelings because you're always wrong with the ridiculous predictions because you refuse to ackonledge that shyt happens....injuries happen to every team, but youre the only one shocked the Knicks have injuries.

You claimed these cats were healthy, Phil stated some time ago that Bargs was NEVER healthy and was disappointed in his conditioning, things everyone knew except you.

Most knew this team EVEN healthy was terrible and expected some injuries to happen...all teams face them.

The only thing I ask of you...remain positive, but be realistic.

Here's a start. Go......

Nix may actually be this board's MVP as I suspect they are in possession of a secret technology that allows them to timeshift and retrofit their posts within an infinitely variable time continuum only Nix controls.

When their predictions don't come to fruition, they can reboot time itself and claim they didn't make such claims.

But if they eventually get something right, they will be able to fast rewind to their original prediction for vindication.

In the meantime, their time machine produces charts and graphs on a convenient ad hoc basis to keep everyone occupied and attention diverted from their original backdated predictions.

Intelligence operatives may soon take Nix away and mine his brain for his secrets. We cannot afford to let hostile operatives get ahold of Nix and a technology that can transform a whole emasculated population into perennial optimists who support whatever the government does.

he's aite with me, just delsuional. But we're all knicks fans so we all have some form of delusion....lol.

My grandma did say to be nice to crazy people because you could be one of them one day

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:
Actually what you did was post graphs, charts, billboards, and power point presentations to sell anyone who would listen how this team cant possibly be worse than last years team.

And it IS, and that hurts your feelings because you're always wrong with the ridiculous predictions because you refuse to ackonledge that shyt happens....injuries happen to every team, but youre the only one shocked the Knicks have injuries.

You claimed these cats were healthy, Phil stated some time ago that Bargs was NEVER healthy and was disappointed in his conditioning, things everyone knew except you.

Most knew this team EVEN healthy was terrible and expected some injuries to happen...all teams face them.

The only thing I ask of you...remain positive, but be realistic.

Here's a start. Go......

Nix may actually be this board's MVP as I suspect they are in possession of a secret technology that allows them to timeshift and retrofit their posts within an infinitely variable time continuum only Nix controls.

When their predictions don't come to fruition, they can reboot time itself and claim they didn't make such claims.

But if they eventually get something right, they will be able to fast rewind to their original prediction for vindication.

In the meantime, their time machine produces charts and graphs on a convenient ad hoc basis to keep everyone occupied and attention diverted from their original backdated predictions.

Intelligence operatives may soon take Nix away and mine his brain for his secrets. We cannot afford to let hostile operatives get ahold of Nix and a technology that can transform a whole emasculated population into perennial optimists who support whatever the government does.

he's aite with me, just delsuional. But we're all knicks fans so we all have some form of delusion....lol.

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Not that we have too few of threads

Thought for a sec of starting a new one[which very well may surface in due time]

If we landed the #1 pick for the sake of discussion

Would you trade down if the draft proved to be deep

If so being realistic what would you be looking to do

If deciding to reply to my inquiry please be realistic

I don't wanna see "I'd only trade #1 for #2 and #5"

if the Knicks have the 1st overall or top 3 they better draft a player and keep them.

There's three to four players who will contribute immediately imo. I wouldnt trade the pick unless we somehow was in top 5.

So would you trade #1 for say #4 and #18 or say #8 #14 #44

I think worded that wrong...if it's top 5, I'd keep it. but if someone offered me #4 and another 1st rounder in the mids...yeah I do that.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Not that we have too few of threads

Thought for a sec of starting a new one[which very well may surface in due time]

If we landed the #1 pick for the sake of discussion

Would you trade down if the draft proved to be deep

If so being realistic what would you be looking to do

If deciding to reply to my inquiry please be realistic

I don't wanna see "I'd only trade #1 for #2 and #5"

if the Knicks have the 1st overall or top 3 they better draft a player and keep them.

There's three to four players who will contribute immediately imo. I wouldnt trade the pick unless we somehow was in top 5.

So would you trade #1 for say #4 and #18 or say #8 #14 #44

I think worded that wrong...if it's top 5, I'd keep it. but if someone offered me #4 and another 1st rounder in the mids...yeah I do that.

im trying to think which teams have multiple first rounders. Celtics are one

As things stand now it's kind of cloudy determining

Who'll have them, the season needs to play out as there are protections-contingencies

But in theory is what I was getting at

Made me think what if Phil isn't high on the prospect's immediate impact

Wanting to rely on free agents and vets to govern success of team

Well if so wouldn't it behoove us to stockpile more assets in this draft

Or upcoming drafts, considering we're going to lose some young prospects

More than likely in Shumpert-Crack Baby

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

how much is melo getting paid again? i forgot

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

People have given specific trade proposals, free agent signings, and their general philosophy. You just ignore anything other than "I love Melo and wish we could have given him a billion dollars"

You should read his posts. What you posted is not close to accurate.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

People have given specific trade proposals, free agent signings, and their general philosophy. You just ignore anything other than "I love Melo and wish we could have given him a billion dollars"

Yea I think you nailed it. I hear that a lot how we are not giving any ideas. I spent 2yrs posting trade Melo threads that people scuffed at

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

People have given specific trade proposals, free agent signings, and their general philosophy. You just ignore anything other than "I love Melo and wish we could have given him a billion dollars"

Or redirect every subject matter back to the draft

And if not he'll start a new thread on the draft

With maybe a side of high school prospect thrown in via Youtube

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

Melo is a great player. He can shoot the lights out. Expecting him to do more is wrong. He is what he is. He does what he is paid for. People need to take off their bibs and suck it up.

The future is bright because we've got a Top 10 player, no Top 5 probably. Players like Melo don't grow on trees.

You cannot win in this league without a superstar. We've got one. How many teams can say that? Not many. So people need to STFU already.

What happens if we don't have Melo? We would suck! That's right, we're going nowhere without Melo. Get a clue people.

All it takes is a couple of strategic moves and we're good to go. We can be in the Eastern Conference Finals next season with just a couple of good additions to the squad. Because we have Melo, we always have a shot at contending.

He's our best player. People need to show some respect. This hate is getting out of hand.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

People have given specific trade proposals, free agent signings, and their general philosophy. You just ignore anything other than "I love Melo and wish we could have given him a billion dollars"

You should read his posts. What you posted is not close to accurate.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

how much is melo getting paid again? i forgot

In a couple years it will be a lot less than many guys, just an FYI.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

how much is melo getting paid again? i forgot

In a couple years it will be a lot less than many guys, just an FYI.

We don't know that. I doubt it. You think guys will be making $30mil per?

I see the cap going from $58mil to $60-62mil tops

gunsnewing wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

how much is melo getting paid again? i forgot

In a couple years it will be a lot less than many guys, just an FYI.

We don't know that. I doubt it. You think guys will be making $30mil per?

I see the cap going from $58mil to $60-62mil tops

The cap is currently $63.5mil

Probably jumps another $2-4mil next yr and probably the same following yr

Then summer of 2017 it will explode by $15-25mil maybe more

Because of the TV deal or it could be less if they decide they

Don't want the Boom to be all of a sudden and ease increases

By fragmenting yr to yr

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since his rookie year--hes has one losing season--last year

Before that he had 11 straight years of playing on winning teams and a regular season winning % of .600 To say that you cant win with melo makes 0 sense. Melo really is the only good player on this team when Amare is hurt. Its pretty simple EVERY other player on the Knicks scks--their terrible inconsistent. Are some of these new posters comparing Melo to Jordan? Then stop. Did Dolan make a bad trade getting Melo--YES--but we can make Melo part of the solution. By trading Melo like some purport--we will only acheive one thing--handing over a top 3 pick to Tonto next year. Pat Riley would never trade melo--thats not how he works.

Phil Jackson made a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade for Tyson/Calderon. He didnt take charge to say JR--hes done waived. He brought in these players. He signed J Smith for 3+mm traded for Acy. He accepted Prigs and Larkin ass our PG and put a LOT of stock in Calderon. SO FAR PJ has taken a LOT of money and has done ZERO--he DID not try to tank. I wonder how many college games hes watched--my guess is hes watched more reruns of Seinfeld in one week than CBB games this year. He's right patience is key now(of course this is a change from the beginning of the season) but I am NOT down for 5 years of rebuilding--I do NOT buy into that. Melo is on this team hes our 22-24 point SF/PF--that is a piece. Fck the triangle---basically your saying w the triangle we cant draft or trade for certain talents---well you cant do that.

We need a LOT and the LAST thing we need is to trade melo for .30 like we traded ZACH Randolph David Lee etc... the same thing a few posters post here is the same thing posted about those guys--cant win with them. Melo is a piece--work with it shut up and do what you can to keep him healthy for the next 4 years. If they had any trepidation--I think they had time to talk about that before laying a no trade clause and 125 on him.

Yeah bottom line is you can't trade Melo. He has never been the problem. His personal record proves that. You can say what you want about him in the playoffs, but the same can be said for a lot of guys, chris paul etc. As far as leading winning teams, he's never been the problem. We need to just get some players. And Melo has proven he doesn't even need all-stars as help, just good role players who know their roles and compliment his scoring. That's it. Might not be the formula to winning a championship, but with that approach plus some luck in the draft and free agency you never know what can happen. A lot of it comes down to luck anyways. Luck like the spurs had having Robinson go down and winning the pick to select Duncan. Maybe we are due for some luck. Probably not, but you never know, we deserve it.

i dont think melo is a problem however he is what he is. I still think he needs to play with a better overall player in order to reach a title

I would agree. But that is nearly every player in the league right now. Durant still can't win with Westbrook, CP3 still can't get passed the 2nd round. People raised expectations of Melo to justify him being overrated. Funny how that happens.

i like chris paul but i dont view him as a elite talent either. However the clippers have at least been in a better situation the last few years

I agree as well and this is where there has always been an issue for me. People are quick to criticize Melo by saying he isn't an elite/franchise player. That's fine, but how many are? Other than Lebron? Durant maybe, but he has a lot of help. Parker/Duncan combined maybe. And people will say Anthony Davis, who has yet to get to the playoffs. Besides Lebron and Durant there aren't any undisputed franchise players (who are in their prime) right now. Yet everyone judges Melo based on that distinction.

how much is melo getting paid again? i forgot

In a couple years it will be a lot less than many guys, just an FYI.

We don't know that. I doubt it. You think guys will be making $30mil per?

I see the cap going from $58mil to $60-62mil tops

The cap is currently $63.5mil

Probably jumps another $2-4mil next yr and probably the same following yr

Then summer of 2017 it will explode by $15-25mil maybe more

Because of the TV deal or it could be less if they decide they

Don't want the Boom to be all of a sudden and ease increases

By fragmenting yr to yr

they will opt out of the cba or lockout the players before they let the cap go up that much in 1 year. mutual opt out is 2017 for the cba, how timely...

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

I don't think that's true at all. I think many people have offered up ways to improve the team, but again, if it doesn't fit your narrative of what you believe/think/feel about the Knicks, then you seem to walk on by them. Also I think you need to make a distinction between negativity ( some people are shifting past basketball issues at times to be fair) and when some people simply shut down your ideas/scenarios.

I don't think it's very complicated. Many fans want Phil Jackson to establish a front office legacy situation where he can hand off the team to nice young talented front office type who can offer the Knicks stability and excellence for 10-15-20-25 years. Many fans want the Knicks to stop dumping their draft picks and stop taking in bad contracts for quick fix attempts. Many fans believe a true rebuild for long lasting success will take time, and that the Knicks may miss on some picks and players, but if they hold the course, over time, that good things can happen. Many fans believe you can build through the draft, that it is the primary way to get better and that is simply a process that takes time, NBA history has shown this again and again and again.

You want to say, draft this guy and sign this guy and do this and do that, as if all those ducks will absolutely line up in a row.

Lots of Knicks fans just want to say, Let's see where we are at draft time when the dust has settled, we know where we are picking, the NCAA tournament is over and we have a better picture of the draft landscape, then we just take the best player available given the information known at the given time and place and hope for the best.

Would it be nice to get Okafor? Sure. Is it absolute? No. But somehow you treat it as almost absolute. Is it negative to tell you that odds are that the Knicks won't get Okafor? Well I've been saying it to you for months, you don't seem to care.

"Fixing" the Knicks will need something that Dolan and many fans haven't done before - Be patient. See and understand that it could take years, even some hard years to start, and that building assets takes time, developing players takes time and shortcuts don't help you. The "shortcut" approach you advocate is what makes a GM be forced by his owner to surround Anthony Davis as fast as possible with help to try to contend instead of just building slowly and surely. Or Dan Gilbert demanding the Deng and Hawes trade, which didn't move the needle for Cleveland but sapped them of assets they could have used to get a pivot they need now.

Fixing the team means patience. Taking the time to build. Nothing you suggest implies you have this patience. You want a mythical two year reload that essentially violates current market values and principles and tosses out any notion of the non Knicks GM and front office's sense of self preservation.

Mine the 2nd round. Dig hard with UDFA. Bolster the front office with analytics experts. Rearm the medical staff. Expand international scouting. Look for hidden values on stocked rosters.

Plenty of ideas to improve the Knicks are mentioned all the time, they just don't move your needle because they aren't short cut induced trade rape scenarios you like to push so much.

Well when you give me a list of players you like from FA to the draft maybe a few prospects to keep in mind in case we pick up a late 1 or some 2's etc.. maybe a few opportunisic players we could swipe off of someone bench. Unless you can put names in there and explain why they might fit--this is the same negative diatribe as the last 30 that has the same story with no true meaning to it. And not trying to break your cahones--but too many people saying dont do this that you cant do that this--but they seem to not have any plan of their own that includes names.

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

I don't think that's true at all. I think many people have offered up ways to improve the team, but again, if it doesn't fit your narrative of what you believe/think/feel about the Knicks, then you seem to walk on by them. Also I think you need to make a distinction between negativity ( some people are shifting past basketball issues at times to be fair) and when some people simply shut down your ideas/scenarios.

I don't think it's very complicated. Many fans want Phil Jackson to establish a front office legacy situation where he can hand off the team to nice young talented front office type who can offer the Knicks stability and excellence for 10-15-20-25 years. Many fans want the Knicks to stop dumping their draft picks and stop taking in bad contracts for quick fix attempts. Many fans believe a true rebuild for long lasting success will take time, and that the Knicks may miss on some picks and players, but if they hold the course, over time, that good things can happen. Many fans believe you can build through the draft, that it is the primary way to get better and that is simply a process that takes time, NBA history has shown this again and again and again.

You want to say, draft this guy and sign this guy and do this and do that, as if all those ducks will absolutely line up in a row.

Lots of Knicks fans just want to say, Let's see where we are at draft time when the dust has settled, we know where we are picking, the NCAA tournament is over and we have a better picture of the draft landscape, then we just take the best player available given the information known at the given time and place and hope for the best.

Would it be nice to get Okafor? Sure. Is it absolute? No. But somehow you treat it as almost absolute. Is it negative to tell you that odds are that the Knicks won't get Okafor? Well I've been saying it to you for months, you don't seem to care.

"Fixing" the Knicks will need something that Dolan and many fans haven't done before - Be patient. See and understand that it could take years, even some hard years to start, and that building assets takes time, developing players takes time and shortcuts don't help you. The "shortcut" approach you advocate is what makes a GM be forced by his owner to surround Anthony Davis as fast as possible with help to try to contend instead of just building slowly and surely. Or Dan Gilbert demanding the Deng and Hawes trade, which didn't move the needle for Cleveland but sapped them of assets they could have used to get a pivot they need now.

Fixing the team means patience. Taking the time to build. Nothing you suggest implies you have this patience. You want a mythical two year reload that essentially violates current market values and principles and tosses out any notion of the non Knicks GM and front office's sense of self preservation.

Mine the 2nd round. Dig hard with UDFA. Bolster the front office with analytics experts. Rearm the medical staff. Expand international scouting. Look for hidden values on stocked rosters.

Plenty of ideas to improve the Knicks are mentioned all the time, they just don't move your needle because they aren't short cut induced trade rape scenarios you like to push so much.

Well when you give me a list of players you like from FA to the draft maybe a few prospects to keep in mind in case we pick up a late 1 or some 2's etc.. maybe a few opportunisic players we could swipe off of someone bench. Unless you can put names in there and explain why they might fit--this is the same negative diatribe as the last 30 that has the same story with no true meaning to it. And not trying to break your cahones--but too many people saying dont do this that you cant do that this--but they seem to not have any plan of their own that includes names.

Oh God Briggs, you are so FOS. The guy gave you a thoughtful reply and all you can do is shovel a load of bullcrap back at him. You get off easy with some here because you get labeled as a diligent, dedicated Knicks fan because you are constantly churning out proposals. That's enough to blind some to the reality as Triple puts it it that it is mostly trade rape scenarios. Those scenarios are your opiate to avoid dealing with reality.

Triple just laid out to you why some people are fed up and he is 100% right about this: If other peoples' version of the truth don't line up with yours, you dodge and obsfucate. You really can't handle the truth that this franchise is fukked until they take a better approach. In the end, you are just another apologist for a broken regime and you spend most of your time in fantasyland trying to concoct band-aid fixes that won't work.

Sorry, I'm being harsh, but no harsher than you were to Triple who treated you nicely while being in total disagreement with you.

Your complaint that those you disagree with are merely engaged in negative diatribes is full-on baby talk BS. Get a clue. The situation is negative. Realists call it for what they see it. Deal with it or not, but drop the phoney baloney labels if you can't deal with it.

Otherwise, you just become another palace rat who licks the corrupt king's feet. If you love your Knicks kingdom so much and your only defense is this kind of childish logic, then you're on the same level as Fishmike and Jrod. I thought you were functioning on a more sophisticated level, but in reality you're just smoke and mirrors with your trade proposals, but in your heart you seem to be just as recalcitrant to change and bent out of shape at those who agitate for it. Pointing fingers and stomping your feet at threads and calling them negative without anything more substantive to say is beyond lame.

Triple doesn't owe you a list of names. Are you nuts? That's your way of coping. You don't get to tell people how to frame the debate. So don't try and shut people down because they don't engage in your trade fantasies.

I'm fine with your trade ideas. I never said you shouldn't do them. Yes, I think it is your way of killing time and pretty much a waste of time, but I'm cool with it if it makes you content to do so. But knock off the BS responses and pretend you're claiming higher ground. Negativity in your eyes is like harsh medicine in others' eyes. It is necessary to get better. Deal with it or not, but don't play the I'm a better fan card which is what you're actually doing here. It is really offensive.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.

I don't think that's true at all. I think many people have offered up ways to improve the team, but again, if it doesn't fit your narrative of what you believe/think/feel about the Knicks, then you seem to walk on by them. Also I think you need to make a distinction between negativity ( some people are shifting past basketball issues at times to be fair) and when some people simply shut down your ideas/scenarios.

I don't think it's very complicated. Many fans want Phil Jackson to establish a front office legacy situation where he can hand off the team to nice young talented front office type who can offer the Knicks stability and excellence for 10-15-20-25 years. Many fans want the Knicks to stop dumping their draft picks and stop taking in bad contracts for quick fix attempts. Many fans believe a true rebuild for long lasting success will take time, and that the Knicks may miss on some picks and players, but if they hold the course, over time, that good things can happen. Many fans believe you can build through the draft, that it is the primary way to get better and that is simply a process that takes time, NBA history has shown this again and again and again.

You want to say, draft this guy and sign this guy and do this and do that, as if all those ducks will absolutely line up in a row.

Lots of Knicks fans just want to say, Let's see where we are at draft time when the dust has settled, we know where we are picking, the NCAA tournament is over and we have a better picture of the draft landscape, then we just take the best player available given the information known at the given time and place and hope for the best.

Would it be nice to get Okafor? Sure. Is it absolute? No. But somehow you treat it as almost absolute. Is it negative to tell you that odds are that the Knicks won't get Okafor? Well I've been saying it to you for months, you don't seem to care.

"Fixing" the Knicks will need something that Dolan and many fans haven't done before - Be patient. See and understand that it could take years, even some hard years to start, and that building assets takes time, developing players takes time and shortcuts don't help you. The "shortcut" approach you advocate is what makes a GM be forced by his owner to surround Anthony Davis as fast as possible with help to try to contend instead of just building slowly and surely. Or Dan Gilbert demanding the Deng and Hawes trade, which didn't move the needle for Cleveland but sapped them of assets they could have used to get a pivot they need now.

Fixing the team means patience. Taking the time to build. Nothing you suggest implies you have this patience. You want a mythical two year reload that essentially violates current market values and principles and tosses out any notion of the non Knicks GM and front office's sense of self preservation.

Mine the 2nd round. Dig hard with UDFA. Bolster the front office with analytics experts. Rearm the medical staff. Expand international scouting. Look for hidden values on stocked rosters.

Plenty of ideas to improve the Knicks are mentioned all the time, they just don't move your needle because they aren't short cut induced trade rape scenarios you like to push so much.

Well when you give me a list of players you like from FA to the draft maybe a few prospects to keep in mind in case we pick up a late 1 or some 2's etc.. maybe a few opportunisic players we could swipe off of someone bench. Unless you can put names in there and explain why they might fit--this is the same negative diatribe as the last 30 that has the same story with no true meaning to it. And not trying to break your cahones--but too many people saying dont do this that you cant do that this--but they seem to not have any plan of their own that includes names.

Oh God Briggs, you are so FOS. The guy gave you a thoughtful reply and all you can do is shovel a load of bullcrap back at him. You get off easy with some here because you get labeled as a diligent, dedicated Knicks fan because you are constantly churning out proposals. That's enough to blind some to the reality as Triple puts it it that it is mostly trade rape scenarios. Those scenarios are your opiate to avoid dealing with reality.

Triple just laid out to you why some people are fed up and he is 100% right about this: If other peoples' version of the truth don't line up with yours, you dodge and obsfucate. You really can't handle the truth that this franchise is fukked until they take a better approach. In the end, you are just another apologist for a broken regime and you spend most of your time in fantasyland trying to concoct band-aid fixes that won't work.

Sorry, I'm being harsh, but no harsher than you were to Triple who treated you nicely while being in total disagreement with you.

Your complaint that those you disagree with are merely engaged in negative diatribes is full-on baby talk BS. Get a clue. The situation is negative. Realists call it for what they see it. Deal with it or not, but drop the phoney baloney labels if you can't deal with it.

Otherwise, you just become another palace rat who licks the corrupt king's feet. If you love your Knicks kingdom so much and your only defense is this kind of childish logic, then you're on the same level as Fishmike and Jrod. I thought you were functioning on a more sophisticated level, but in reality you're just smoke and mirrors with your trade proposals, but in your heart you seem to be just as recalcitrant to change and bent out of shape at those who agitate for it. Pointing fingers and stomping your feet at threads and calling them negative without anything more substantive to say is beyond lame.

Triple doesn't owe you a list of names. Are you nuts? That's your way of coping. You don't get to tell people how to frame the debate. So don't try and shut people down because they don't engage in your trade fantasies.

I'm fine with your trade ideas. I never said you shouldn't do them. Yes, I think it is your way of killing time and pretty much a waste of time, but I'm cool with it if it makes you content to do so. But knock off the BS responses and pretend you're claiming higher ground. Negativity in your eyes is like harsh medicine in others' eyes. It is necessary to get better. Deal with it or not, but don't play the I'm a better fan card which is what you're actually doing here. It is really offensive.

How many of Briggs's suggestions have worked out, come to reality

Yet he questions the probability and validity others have suggested

Or what they feel is highly unlikely to happen

Why do so many posters play barbie dolls with his

Hobbit and Lord of The Rings type posts

One of the reasons I've suggested to him, provide more intel

On the NBA Salary Cap, especially since it will look

Quite different in a few yrs and could change the landscape of the NBA for yrs to come

Because he has such time to kill, but some posters here as I've found out

Are lazy and have no interests of contributing to dialogue to broaden the scope of conversation

To inform about the changing league standards and policies affecting teams

Instead what appears to be the case, Briggs along with others hop on NBA 2k15

Run the field with Stephen Curry, Lebron, Ant Davis, Melo, Jimmy Butler

Because they have an inflated cap feature in the game and start drumming up

Inception type moves on a msg brd forum for the team they root for

Spend more time on Twitter talking with Larry Coon instead of NBA Hollywood Shuffling Rosters

Join live chats with Chad Ford instead of Billboarding what Berman quoted Dragic saying about our team

Watch more Knick games instead of watching every game of

Some obscure College prospect we'll have no shot of drafting

ESPN Fantasy, Real GM Trade Checker, Fan Duel, Yahoo Fantasy

Are simply making the NBA community dumber and dumber as seasons go by