Knicks · what about trading our #1? (page 1)

this would be a trade made on draft day after we made our selection....we can't trade the pick before draft day, but once we draft them we could move them... correct me if I'm wrong.

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

Please identify those players Briggs....

btw there's nothing else to talk about now so I'm just throwing things out there.

Also the kings would probably trade cousins if we drafted okafor. They are dead in the middle of a rebuild.

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

Please identify those players Briggs....

btw there's nothing else to talk about now so I'm just throwing things out there.

Also the kings would probably trade cousins if we drafted okafor. They are dead in the middle of a rebuild.

cost restricted means drafted players or recently drafted players. Cousins is their franchise player hes not going anywhwere

CrushAlot wrote:I think if the Knicks moved the pick on draft night they might consider moving back in the draft to pick up a second pick. But I don't think Phil goes there. The team is made up of late first rounders, second rounders and undrafted guys already. The Knicks need talent.

If I didnt get pick #1(say 3-4) I would consider looking at Denver to see if they might be interested in trading Nurkic Greene and picks 10 and 40 Still way too much information to be dechiphered--but that would be a model if I was intersted in trading high level prospect medium level prospect an additional good 1 and a 2. 4 good assets for the 3-4 pick.

BRIGGS wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

Please identify those players Briggs....

btw there's nothing else to talk about now so I'm just throwing things out there.

Also the kings would probably trade cousins if we drafted okafor. They are dead in the middle of a rebuild.

cost restricted means drafted players or recently drafted players. Cousins is their franchise player hes not going anywhwere

Jeff Withey	  C	RFA	NOP	TBD	24	1	$816,482
Nick Calathes	  SG	RFA	MEM	TBD	25	1	$816,482
Glen Rice Jr.	  SF	RFA	WAS	TBD	23	1	$816,482
Pero Antic	  PF	RFA	ATL	TBD	32	1	$1,250,000
John Jenkins	  SG	UFA	ATL	TBD	23	2	$1,312,920
Draymond Green	  SF	RFA	GSW	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Joel Freeland	  PF	RFA	POR	TBD	27	2	$3,013,512
Jared Cunningham  SG	UFA	LAC	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Jae Crowder	  SF	RFA	BOS	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Chris Copeland	  SF	RFA	IND	TBD	30	2	$3,135,000
Thomas Robinson	  PF	UFA	POR	TBD	23	2	$3,678,360
Jeff Taylor	  SG	RFA	CHA	TBD	25	2	$915,243
Mirza Teletovic	  PF	RFA	BKN	TBD	29	2	$3,368,100
Kyle Singler	  SG	UFA	DET	TBD	26	2	$1,090,000
Alexey Shved	  PG	RFA	HOU	TBD	26	2	$3,282,056
Henry Sims	  C	RFA	PHI	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Austin Rivers	  SG	UFA	NOP	TBD	24	2	$2,439,840
Kyle O'Quinn	  PF	RFA	ORL	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Darius Morris	  PG	RFA	BKN	TBD	23	2	$605,157
Khris Middleton	  SF	RFA	MIL	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Kendall Marshall  PG	UFA	MIL	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Aron Baynes	  PF	UFA	SAS	TBD	28	2	$2,077,000
Will Barton	  SG	RFA	POR	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Quincy Acy	  SF	RFA	NYK	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Kawhi Leonard	  SF	RFA	SAS	TBD	23	3	$2,894,059
Brandon Knight	  PG	RFA	MIL	TBD	23	3	$3,553,917
Enes Kanter	  C	RFA	UTH	TBD	22	3	$5,694,674
Cory Joseph	  PG	RFA	SAS	TBD	23	3	$2,023,261
Reggie Jackson	  PG	RFA	OKC	TBD	24	3	$2,204,370
Tobias Harris	  SF	RFA	ORL	TBD	22	3	$2,380,594
Jimmer Fredette	  PG	UFA	NOP	TBD	29	3	$915,243
Norris Cole	  PG	RFA	MIA	TBD	26	3	$2,038,206
Derrick Williams  PF	RFA	SAC	TBD	23	3	$6,331,404
Lance Thomas	  SF	UFA	OKC	TBD	26	3	$915,243
Tristan Thompson  PF	RFA	CLE	TBD	23	3	$5,138,430
Kevin Seraphin	  PF	UFA	WAS	TBD	25	4	$3,898,691
Gary Neal	  PG	UFA	CHA	TBD	30	4	$3,250,000
Greg Monroe	  C	UFA	DET	TBD	24	4	$5,479,933
Luke Babbitt	  SF	UFA	NOP	TBD	25	4	$981,084

Not every team is going to pay these guys what they want. Someone always shakes loose.

CrushAlot wrote:I think if the Knicks moved the pick on draft night they might consider moving back in the draft to pick up a second pick. But I don't think Phil goes there. The team is made up of late first rounders, second rounders and undrafted guys already. The Knicks need talent.

The Suns would probably sell the farm for an OK4 type player. Dragic S&T, Ennis, allow them to make the 2015 selection for us before the trade so we get there 2016 draft pick as well for OK4 and Calderon.

Hornets may be interested as well for Zeller, Volneh, Hairston, rights to there 2015 first round pick. Something like that.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

Please identify those players Briggs....

btw there's nothing else to talk about now so I'm just throwing things out there.

Also the kings would probably trade cousins if we drafted okafor. They are dead in the middle of a rebuild.

cost restricted means drafted players or recently drafted players. Cousins is their franchise player hes not going anywhwere

Guys like:

Jeff Withey	  C	RFA	NOP	TBD	24	1	$816,482
Nick Calathes	  SG	RFA	MEM	TBD	25	1	$816,482
Glen Rice Jr.	  SF	RFA	WAS	TBD	23	1	$816,482
Pero Antic	  PF	RFA	ATL	TBD	32	1	$1,250,000
John Jenkins	  SG	UFA	ATL	TBD	23	2	$1,312,920
Draymond Green	  SF	RFA	GSW	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Joel Freeland	  PF	RFA	POR	TBD	27	2	$3,013,512
Jared Cunningham  SG	UFA	LAC	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Jae Crowder	  SF	RFA	BOS	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Chris Copeland	  SF	RFA	IND	TBD	30	2	$3,135,000
Thomas Robinson	  PF	UFA	POR	TBD	23	2	$3,678,360
Jeff Taylor	  SG	RFA	CHA	TBD	25	2	$915,243
Mirza Teletovic	  PF	RFA	BKN	TBD	29	2	$3,368,100
Kyle Singler	  SG	UFA	DET	TBD	26	2	$1,090,000
Alexey Shved	  PG	RFA	HOU	TBD	26	2	$3,282,056
Henry Sims	  C	RFA	PHI	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Austin Rivers	  SG	UFA	NOP	TBD	24	2	$2,439,840
Kyle O'Quinn	  PF	RFA	ORL	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Darius Morris	  PG	RFA	BKN	TBD	23	2	$605,157
Khris Middleton	  SF	RFA	MIL	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Kendall Marshall  PG	UFA	MIL	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Aron Baynes	  PF	UFA	SAS	TBD	28	2	$2,077,000
Will Barton	  SG	RFA	POR	TBD	23	2	$915,243
Quincy Acy	  SF	RFA	NYK	TBD	24	2	$915,243
Kawhi Leonard	  SF	RFA	SAS	TBD	23	3	$2,894,059
Brandon Knight	  PG	RFA	MIL	TBD	23	3	$3,553,917
Enes Kanter	  C	RFA	UTH	TBD	22	3	$5,694,674
Cory Joseph	  PG	RFA	SAS	TBD	23	3	$2,023,261
Reggie Jackson	  PG	RFA	OKC	TBD	24	3	$2,204,370
Tobias Harris	  SF	RFA	ORL	TBD	22	3	$2,380,594
Jimmer Fredette	  PG	UFA	NOP	TBD	29	3	$915,243
Norris Cole	  PG	RFA	MIA	TBD	26	3	$2,038,206
Derrick Williams  PF	RFA	SAC	TBD	23	3	$6,331,404
Lance Thomas	  SF	UFA	OKC	TBD	26	3	$915,243
Tristan Thompson  PF	RFA	CLE	TBD	23	3	$5,138,430
Kevin Seraphin	  PF	UFA	WAS	TBD	25	4	$3,898,691
Gary Neal	  PG	UFA	CHA	TBD	30	4	$3,250,000
Greg Monroe	  C	UFA	DET	TBD	24	4	$5,479,933
Luke Babbitt	  SF	UFA	NOP	TBD	25	4	$981,084

Not every team is going to pay these guys what they want. Someone always shakes loose.

I'm more interested in what Briggs thinks about these players. Not many here qualify as coast effective talent. Maybe Gary Neal or seraphin. Alot of the other guys will get their market value and some others don't even belong in the league.

I think that there isn't much separating the top centers of this draft with Nurkic, who is only 19 years old. I also think that Gary Harris would make for an excellent fit as a triangle PG. He's got a quick first step, can hit jump shots and was a lockdown defender in college.

NardDogNation wrote:I'd consider moving it to Denver if we can get back Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris while exchanging Jose Calderon's and JR Smith's bad contracts for Danilo Gallinari and JaVale McGee's.

I think that there isn't much separating the top centers of this draft with Nurkic, who is only 19 years old. I also think that Gary Harris would make for an excellent fit as a triangle PG. He's got a quick first step, can hit jump shots and was a lockdown defender in college.

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EnySpree wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

Please identify those players Briggs....

btw there's nothing else to talk about now so I'm just throwing things out there.

Also the kings would probably trade cousins if we drafted okafor. They are dead in the middle of a rebuild.

This exchange is pure Irony

Hey the Knicks just can't repeat the same mistake anymore.

It is time for the Knicks to start over and development young guys SERIOUSLY. Let's be patient.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think if the Knicks moved the pick on draft night they might consider moving back in the draft to pick up a second pick. But I don't think Phil goes there. The team is made up of late first rounders, second rounders and undrafted guys already. The Knicks need talent.

The Suns would probably sell the farm for an OK4 type player. Dragic S&T, Ennis, allow them to make the 2015 selection for us before the trade so we get there 2016 draft pick as well for OK4 and Calderon.

Hornets may be interested as well for Zeller, Volneh, Hairston, rights to there 2015 first round pick. Something like that.

Here you go again with Dragic:)))). If the Knicks win the lottery, they should definitely move the pick for picks 5 and 10. But not for Cousins. I like the kid, but we can actually draft a similar player.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think if the Knicks moved the pick on draft night they might consider moving back in the draft to pick up a second pick. But I don't think Phil goes there. The team is made up of late first rounders, second rounders and undrafted guys already. The Knicks need talent.

The Suns would probably sell the farm for an OK4 type player. Dragic S&T, Ennis, allow them to make the 2015 selection for us before the trade so we get there 2016 draft pick as well for OK4 and Calderon.

Hornets may be interested as well for Zeller, Volneh, Hairston, rights to there 2015 first round pick. Something like that.

Here you go again with Dragic:)))). If the Knicks win the lottery, they should definitely move the pick for picks 5 and 10. But not for Cousins. I like the kid, but we can actually draft a similar player.

The draft is a crapshoot. DeMarcus Cousins is a known commodity that is barely 24 years old but already plays like an allstar. I take the latter over the former any day of the week.

TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

NardDogNation wrote:

TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

I just want to say 95% of all nba players were picked up in the draft. Secondly the player I mentioned is arguably the best center in the league in Demarcus cousins....I think I need to start charging for hot water and heat