Knicks · The Point Guard We Should Target is Brandon Knight (page 1)

There are many reasons why

I don't need to read in the press of the

Point guard possibly speaking we're an option

This summer for him to sign here to make

An informed decision to aggressively pursue him

- Age

- Financials

- Metrics Are on an Uptick

- Stye of Play

- More Pure Point Guard Instincts

- Athletically gifted as any available

- Very good defensively

Jason Kidd has built a philosophy and defined role for each player on the roster that utilized their youth, versatility, LENGTH/SIZE, depth, multiple abilities/versatility, good shooters to space the floor/ skills to create for each other, and it makes it very hard to defend....

They are a very good DEFENSIVE team, with many guys with great length/size/mobility/youth/ athletic ability and gave them the confidence they in each other
Kidd deserves Coach of the Year considerations if these guys continues to play this way

My question is if Brandon Knight is a product of the system or is he as good as his stats and advanced stats says....

TripleThreat wrote:He's an interesting player. Lot of talent. That being said, he's having success with Jason Kidd.

Would he leave Kidd, who is clearly helping to elevate his game?

Anytime a player is available

Leaving their current situations is always

The biggest question but I'm looking at the market he's in

I look at how they let Jennings go and pursued Teague

They weren't quite aggressive as one would expect

In both situations and since the market is more pressing

This summer not sure the Bucks can stomach a stiff offer

From the competition, Ricky Rubio pretty much established what market value should be

The Bucks are at $50mil in committed salary

Without Jared Dudley's PO who's having a fine season[$4.5mil]

They have RFA cap hits on Knight and Kris Middleton

I don't think their team can afford to pay the Luxury Tax

And they will to keep all 3 and have any chance of adding

Other talent to their team outside of what they currently have

We may have to overpay but if you're going to overpay

On a point guard he's the one you do it on

If we can move Calderon or Pablo and filler

It should create enough room to then make a very competitive offer

To Amir Johnson

Reggie Jackson is a RFA too

TripleThreat wrote:He's an interesting player. Lot of talent. That being said, he's having success with Jason Kidd.

Would he leave Kidd, who is clearly helping to elevate his game?

RonRon wrote:Kris Middleton, RFA, that is a very good shooter and versatile/long/young

Reggie Jackson is a RFA too

Exactly they will be plenty of RFA

The key is to target the ones who present

The stiffest challenge to the competition

We probably couldn't steal both from them obviously

We also need to take a chance on a player

Who appears to have his best yrs ahead of him

I'd like for us to then make a trade like this

Calderon/Pablo/Shumpert

4

Thaddeus Young/Mo Williams/Daniels/2nd

Let them become intoxicated over a Rubio/Shumpert backcourt

This way we have a nice young shooter in Daniels and

A great backup for Melo in Thadd off the bench or starter beside him

If we can't land a 4 in free agency

Knight
THJR[trade bait next yr]
Melo
Amir
OK4

or

Knight
THJR[still trade bait]/free agent Afflalo[not endorsing just using it for example]
Melo
Thadd[nice expiring to trade if necessary]
OK4

I think an offer of $11m would make the Bucks knees shake.

TripleThreat wrote:He's an interesting player. Lot of talent. That being said, he's having success with Jason Kidd.

Would he leave Kidd, who is clearly helping to elevate his game?

Brandon Knight was playing like this since the 2nd half of last season. Jason Kidd has turned out to be a pretty good coach but Brandon Knight's growth is something that transcends coaches, teammates and a system. I've officially jumped off the Dragic and Jackson bandwagon and will be backing Knight to be our free agent PG signing. It won't come cheap but needs to be done. Maybe we could frontload the contract or structure it like the Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik deals to shift most of the financial burden to one season.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

yellowboy90 wrote:Very big risk. He is young so this maybe his natural progression but the past 4 years he has been an awful player. Is this a contract year baller?

I think an offer of $11m would make the Bucks knees shake.

Dragic is entitled to 30% Max

Reggie and Knight entitled to 25% Max

Now does any of what you stated above apply to either

Jackson and Dragic, if the answer is yes[and it is]

Then the field has been leveled

By the time the summer hits

Dragic 29yrs old

Jackson 25yrs old

Knight 23yrs old

The smart money is on Knight plain and simple

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

F500ONE wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Very big risk. He is young so this maybe his natural progression but the past 4 years he has been an awful player. Is this a contract year baller?

I think an offer of $11m would make the Bucks knees shake.

Dragic is entitled to 30% Max

Reggie and Knight entitled to 25% Max

Now does any of what you stated above apply to either

Jackson and Dragic, if the answer is yes[and it is]

Then the field has been leveled

By the time the summer hits

Dragic 29yrs old

Jackson 25yrs old

Knight 23yrs old

The smart money is on Knight plain and simple

I am not sure Dragic will get paid max, but it will be close.

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

The kid exploded right around the time they acquired Ramon Sessions. But I'm sure there are some arbitrary stats that negate a very apparent improvement in his play over the course of last season. In any case, here is a stats/play breakdown of what I'm talking about from a Bucks fan:

http://www.bucksketball.com/2014/03/the-...

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

You really need to study the NBA CBA

And how it can greatly affect small market teams

Knight's max offer[$66mil cap] provides him a

First yr starting salary $16.5mil, no frontloading

Add to their $50mil committed next yr it puts them at $66.5mil

You figure Luxury Tax will be somewhere around $77-79mil

This is////

Without Dudley picking up his $4.5mil

Without Middleton being offered a deal

So 1 of 2 things will likely happen

They either lose Knight or Middleton or

Maybe 3 things, they will be sellers at the deadline to move salary

Likely Illyasova, Bayless, Pachulia, Mayo, Dudley

Maybe 4 things they keep Knight, Middleton, and Dudley

And they break $80mil committed in salary next yr paying Tax

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

You really need to study the NBA CBA

And how it can greatly affect small market teams

Knight's max offer[$66mil cap] provides him a

First yr starting salary $16.5mil, no frontloading

Add to their $50mil committed next yr it puts them at $66.5mil

You figure Luxury Tax will be somewhere around $77-79mil

This is////

Without Dudley picking up his $4.5mil

Without Middleton being offered a deal

So 1 of 2 things will likely happen

They either lose Knight or Middleton or

Maybe 3 things, they will be sellers at the deadline to move salary

Likely Illyasova, Bayless, Pachulia, Mayo, Dudley

Maybe 4 things they keep Knight, Middleton, and Dudley

And they break $80mil committed in salary next yr paying Tax

We won't get Knight. But we could eat Mayos contract for there pick or future pick.

U know of any other teams in this situation where we could use our available cap space to prevent them from lux tax and come out like bandits?

newyorknewyork wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

You really need to study the NBA CBA

And how it can greatly affect small market teams

Knight's max offer[$66mil cap] provides him a

First yr starting salary $16.5mil, no frontloading

Add to their $50mil committed next yr it puts them at $66.5mil

You figure Luxury Tax will be somewhere around $77-79mil

This is////

Without Dudley picking up his $4.5mil

Without Middleton being offered a deal

So 1 of 2 things will likely happen

They either lose Knight or Middleton or

Maybe 3 things, they will be sellers at the deadline to move salary

Likely Illyasova, Bayless, Pachulia, Mayo, Dudley

Maybe 4 things they keep Knight, Middleton, and Dudley

And they break $80mil committed in salary next yr paying Tax

We won't get Knight. But we could eat Mayos contract for there pick or future pick.

U know of any other teams in this situation where we could use our available cap space to prevent them from lux tax and come out like bandits?

Regardless you still go after Knight

The Bucks situation is not a cakewalk for them

Team with possible salary issues on books next year

Or Players picking up options

Boston - Green

Minnesota - Young, Martin

Golden State - Lee and Iggy

Denver - Gallo, Mcgee, Hickson

Sacramento - Landry, Thompson

Charlotte - Henderson, Stephenson

Nets - Lopez, Williams

Wizards - Webster

Pelicans - Gordon

Clippers - Redick

F500ONE wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

You really need to study the NBA CBA

And how it can greatly affect small market teams

Knight's max offer[$66mil cap] provides him a

First yr starting salary $16.5mil, no frontloading

Add to their $50mil committed next yr it puts them at $66.5mil

You figure Luxury Tax will be somewhere around $77-79mil

This is////

Without Dudley picking up his $4.5mil

Without Middleton being offered a deal

So 1 of 2 things will likely happen

They either lose Knight or Middleton or

Maybe 3 things, they will be sellers at the deadline to move salary

Likely Illyasova, Bayless, Pachulia, Mayo, Dudley

Maybe 4 things they keep Knight, Middleton, and Dudley

And they break $80mil committed in salary next yr paying Tax

We won't get Knight. But we could eat Mayos contract for there pick or future pick.

U know of any other teams in this situation where we could use our available cap space to prevent them from lux tax and come out like bandits?

Regardless you still go after Knight

The Bucks situation is not a cakewalk for them

Team with possible salary issues on books next year

Or Players picking up options

Boston - Green

Minnesota - Young, Martin

Golden State - Lee and Iggy

Denver - Gallo, Mcgee, Hickson

Sacramento - Landry, Thompson

Charlotte - Henderson, Stephenson

Nets - Lopez, Williams

Wizards - Webster

Pelicans - Gordon

Clippers - Redick

Yea of course we should still go after him. I would force Bucks, Bulls, Orlando and whoever else to max there players.

If we offer a restricted player a contract, isn't there a rule that prevents us from offering anyone else a contract, until the team makes a decision to match or not?

Small market with some nice upside with Parker, GreekFreak, etc............

Nobody can say what they'll do.

newyorknewyork wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Knight wasn't playing this well anytime last year. He was playing borderline starting pg offensively and had problems defensively too.

I hope he succeeds though. I've been following Knight's career loosely since he was a junior in H.S.

Knight is 23 years old and coming into his own on a team that is young yet winning. There is almost NO way that the Bucks will not match almost any offer--think about it--if you owned the Bucks--would 2-4mm more a year effect what amounts to your franchise player? Hes getting paid but the Bucks will kepp him just like I realized the Bulls will keep Butler--we can try but I doubt anything happens.

You really need to study the NBA CBA

And how it can greatly affect small market teams

Knight's max offer[$66mil cap] provides him a

First yr starting salary $16.5mil, no frontloading

Add to their $50mil committed next yr it puts them at $66.5mil

You figure Luxury Tax will be somewhere around $77-79mil

This is////

Without Dudley picking up his $4.5mil

Without Middleton being offered a deal

So 1 of 2 things will likely happen

They either lose Knight or Middleton or

Maybe 3 things, they will be sellers at the deadline to move salary

Likely Illyasova, Bayless, Pachulia, Mayo, Dudley

Maybe 4 things they keep Knight, Middleton, and Dudley

And they break $80mil committed in salary next yr paying Tax

We won't get Knight. But we could eat Mayos contract for there pick or future pick.

U know of any other teams in this situation where we could use our available cap space to prevent them from lux tax and come out like bandits?

Regardless you still go after Knight

The Bucks situation is not a cakewalk for them

Team with possible salary issues on books next year

Or Players picking up options

Boston - Green

Minnesota - Young, Martin

Golden State - Lee and Iggy

Denver - Gallo, Mcgee, Hickson

Sacramento - Landry, Thompson

Charlotte - Henderson, Stephenson

Nets - Lopez, Williams

Wizards - Webster

Pelicans - Gordon

Clippers - Redick

Yea of course we should still go after him. I would force Bucks, Bulls, Orlando and whoever else to max there players.

If we offer a restricted player a contract, isn't there a rule that prevents us from offering anyone else a contract, until the team makes a decision to match or not?

I think it's 3days cap could be tied up on RFA offers

Butler is pointless for Bulls, as he's played himself

Into an absolute Max and he will have the field as suitors

Can't say the same for Knight or even Dragic or Jackson, at least not yet

Tobias is interesting although I think

He's dead even on where his market will settle

We have to target the guys who's value is a staggering proposition

Where it's extreme and unknown as to what their team or the field suggest it is