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knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. You're just showing a lot of empathy for people who were deceived by Melo's high PPG totals, while I'm hoping front office (and ideally a significant portion of the consumers that support the front office) learn from their mistakes.

It maybe about the stars not playing. Melo, Amare, hardaway,Shump, and Sam were all out. But it also was a really bad game against a really bad team. JR getting hot at the end made the score closer but I can't imagine paying to see that.

Are you talking about one specific game? I was referring to the whole season and actually entire era since we acquired Melo.

Yeah. I posted in the wrong thread.

I've done that too

F500ONE wrote:Melo isn't being shutdown yet because

He is a draw for MSG fans

That he was told this is something that will

Continue to be discussed and longterm circumstances will factor

Melo's treatment towards injury after shutdown

He went on to say the Knicks are in a very difficult situation

There isn't a move out there for Phil to make

That would improve the team now nor in the immediate future

Teams aren't beating down the doors asking for players on a 5-30 team

This is a long-term rebuild job, trading Shumpert and THJR

Is possible but it will accomplish pretty much nothing

The team will also have a very difficult time attracting free agents

For a numbers of different reason and that we'll have to be lucky in the lottery

They are sticking to the plan and the plan is Triangle and Derek Fisher

Like I said 1/2 of Melo 25% or 70% Melo Anthony only reason to play this next few months is
2015 NBA Allstar game in NY Madison Sq Garden

That s_h-t the Knicks org loves as a company as I've mentioned in prior post, so you may be 100% right on marketing.
As long as Melo Anthony gets to Feb. 2015 the Allstar game he wont be shutdown until after voting puts him in game
regardless of season stats Or whether he belongs this season.

We'll see

There will be pressure for a quick fix from dolan and the fans. We see it here and we are the informed sector of the fanbase not the casual. Phil has to stick to his plan or resign

gunsnewing wrote:There will be pressure for a quick fix from dolan and the fans. Phil has to stick to his plan or resign

I'd rather see Phil come up with a new plan

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

I was speaking to a friend last night, that if this continues

19,000 becomes more like 16-15,000

If New Yorkers are the smartest fans in sports

There should be evident reflection of it by MSG attendance

Matter of fact I would think to see less in attendance

Starting around late February-March of this yr

Although most tickets may have already been sold in advance

Like Splat said some of the Melo Sparta have quieted

They know during a time when the East is supposedly "Wide Open"

Their Super Hero who's wearing a head Scarf at best on his shoulders

Is flying nowhere over Gotham to save the day

Bat Signal has been shutdown

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

I was speaking to a friend last night, that if this continues

19,000 becomes more like 16-15,000

If New Yorkers are the smartest fans in sports

There should be evident reflection of it by MSG attendance

Matter of fact I would think to see less in attendance

Starting around late February-March of this yr

Although most tickets may have already been sold in advance

Like Splat said some of the Melo Sparta have quieted

They know during a time when the East is supposedly "Wide Open"

Their Super Hero who's wearing a head Scarf at best on his shoulders

Is flying nowhere over Gotham to save the day

Bat Signal has been shutdown

both of you predicted 33 and 34 wins this season. i predicted 34-35 wins. i mention this b/c had the knicks mustered that kind of win total it would have assured 19k each game.

but now that it looks like they end up winning in the 12-19 zone i think that attendance must come down to 15-16k per game. it means not only are the knicks not good, they are not even entertaining to the casual attendee.

that would be AWESOME.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

Voting Rules

http://www.nba.com/allstar/2015/asb/voti...

You best believe someone is shilling with fake accounts

For their favorites, on these platforms

It's done in gambling and in all other forms

Of Digital-Virtual ratings submittals

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

Voting Rules

http://www.nba.com/allstar/2015/asb/voti...

You best believe someone is shilling with fake accounts

For their favorites, on these platforms

It's done in gambling and in all other forms

Of Digital-Virtual ratings submittals

Twitter and Instagram just did a purge of fake followers in accounts. The most blatant celebutards saw their account's followers drop sharply. They pay their teams to hire digital goons who sell fake robo accounts to pad their stats. Just like Melo and his team can work his "brand" by doing as you say with the voting. That's what I thought. It would be really easy for them to pay a team working for $4 an hour in Indonesia to use VPN switching and rack up the votes.

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

Voting Rules

http://www.nba.com/allstar/2015/asb/voti...

You best believe someone is shilling with fake accounts

For their favorites, on these platforms

It's done in gambling and in all other forms

Of Digital-Virtual ratings submittals

Twitter and Instagram just did a purge of fake followers in accounts. The most blatant celebutards saw their account's followers drop sharply. They pay their teams to hire digital goons who sell fake robo accounts to pad their stats. Just like Melo and his team can work his "brand" by doing as you say with the voting. That's what I thought. It would be really easy for them to pay a team working for $4 an hour in Indonesia to use VPN switching and rack up the votes.

What I highlighted in bold does help Melo to a degree

But I do not believe all those votes for any player

Are PURE singular individuals

You have the gohardtards like j-rods and fishmikes running amuck

Using DUMMY accounts rigging the joints

It's why voting should be taken out of fans hands

I'm tired of the NBA selling this poor exhibition game as a fans gig

The game is trash and so is the process of getting them there

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

I was speaking to a friend last night, that if this continues

19,000 becomes more like 16-15,000

If New Yorkers are the smartest fans in sports

There should be evident reflection of it by MSG attendance

Matter of fact I would think to see less in attendance

Starting around late February-March of this yr

Although most tickets may have already been sold in advance

Like Splat said some of the Melo Sparta have quieted

They know during a time when the East is supposedly "Wide Open"

Their Super Hero who's wearing a head Scarf at best on his shoulders

Is flying nowhere over Gotham to save the day

Bat Signal has been shutdown

both of you predicted 33 and 34 wins this season. i predicted 34-35 wins. i mention this b/c had the knicks mustered that kind of win total it would have assured 19k each game.

but now that it looks like they end up winning in the 12-19 zone i think that attendance must come down to 15-16k per game. it means not only are the knicks not good, they are not even entertaining to the casual attendee.

that would be AWESOME.

Yeah we hated so badly that 34 wins

Comes off like a 6th seed placement in the East

Which would have made the Knicks the hottest selling ticket in

The City come April even better than having a Yankee ticket on opening night

But nope we Loved too much here and the team HATED IT

So they shutdown the season to spite our predicted place

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

Put it like this.....Lin didnt make the all-star game when it was played in his own building. yes the vote can be inflated....any vote where you can vote everyday has that effect. but it wont routinely promote a scrub, the majority of voters will have to want to see that player. if Melo scores 30ppg he's certainly going. a down year for his team isnt changing that.

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

It is residual. After this season here, he won't be voted in next season even if he averaged 30 PPG. I don't know the mechanisms of voting as I don't care at all, but can votes be gained by other means than each individual fan voting themselves? I ask, because I don't know how the system works and whether there are way for vote counts to be inflated. Or is it simply that Melo is now in the largest metropolitan area, thus he has the largest potential vote count built in.

Put it like this.....Lin didnt make the all-star game when it was played in his own building. yes the vote can be inflated....any vote where you can vote everyday has that effect. but it wont routinely promote a scrub, the majority of voters will have to want to see that player. if Melo scores 30ppg he's certainly going. a down year for his team isnt changing that.

If Lin had played 35-40gms prior to

And kept close to the 9-1 stretch of play up

He would have got in, his sample was too small

But he did get a lot of votes nevertheless from 2012-2013

“I’m kind of thankful I didn’t get voted because when … I want to make sure I’m fully, fully deserving of it, when I play,” Lin said after the team’s evening practice on Monday. “And I didn’t feel like that was the case this year.”

Lin received 883,809 All-Star votes this season. He received the third-highest votes of any guard in the Western Conference. Kobe Bryant was first, followed by Chris Paul, about 45,000 votes ahead of Lin. Had Lin been voted in, Paul, the game’s MVP, wouldn’t have even been a starter in the game. He likely would have made the team as a reserve, though.

Lin had that Yao Ming asian following,

Landing in Houston once again inflated the process

We all know Lin is not a PURE 1,000,000 player vote getter

Get Real, the NBA made sure he was part of the All-Star weekend festivities though

With Landry Fields when he was a Knick

We could've let Melo walk. Taken back whatever assets, fielded a competitive 30 something win team with draft picks and cap space while fans bitch and moan. The bitching would lessen in time when they could see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Now you have Carmelo making $124mil, 40% of the total cap and 5-30. In need of a complete overhaul and extreme luck to reach even 30wins.

I don't feel sorry for Dolan or the fans. They are the problem. I don't feel sorry for Phil & Fish cos they gettin paid bug bucks. I don't feel sorry for Carmelo because he doesn't warrant sympathy

gunsnewing wrote:We could've let Melo walk. Taken back whatever assets, fielded a competitive 30 something win team with draft picks and cap space while fans bitch and moan. The bitching would lessen in time when they could see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Now you have Carmelo making $124mil, 40% of the total cap and 5-30. In need of a complete overhaul and extreme luck to reach even 30wins.

I don't feel sorry for Dolan or the fans. They are the problem. I don't feel sorry for Phil & Fish cos they gettin paid bug bucks. I don't feel sorry for Carmelo because he doesn't warrant sympathy

Yes, Dolan is Problem # 1. The fans are obstacle # 2. They don't get my sympathy. They subsidize this garbage and some of them spent the past five years beating their chests like gorillas in defense of mediocrity. Melo doesn't even register on the sympathy meter.

gunsnewing wrote:We could've let Melo walk. Taken back whatever assets, fielded a competitive 30 something win team with draft picks and cap space while fans bitch and moan. The bitching would lessen in time when they could see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Now you have Carmelo making $124mil, 40% of the total cap and 5-30. In need of a complete overhaul and extreme luck to reach even 30wins.

I don't feel sorry for Dolan or the fans. They are the problem. I don't feel sorry for Phil & Fish cos they gettin paid bug bucks. I don't feel sorry for Carmelo because he doesn't warrant sympathy

It most certainly would've been a tough sell to the fans if they let Melo walk. The only other good option was a trade and Phil didn't want to go that route. My guess is that he wanted to have at least one All Star in place rather than start completely from scratch. He believed the team could win at least 45 games and make the playoffs. This was based on his statements of how many wins he thought it would take to get in and he felt the team would get in. He said he thought that would help his efforts to lure FA's.

Now the plan has to change out of necessity. This is clearly not a team that can be changed into a good team with one FA signing and no FA looking to win a title right away will consider the Knicks. Now the plan is much more long term. Not that Phil didn't have a secondary long term plan all along, but now the short term plan blew up and all that's left is a much longer process. It's just a different process now. Now a higher draft pick is part of the consideration. The cap space is still there but how he uses it will change. This team can still have good things in it's future with proper management. IMO this is actually a more interesting process now. It's not so clear or easy to predict what will happen.

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

Blah blah blah. Do you understand the difference between 1)expecting to see a team of bad players learning a team-oriented system and developing the roots of long-term success and 2) receiving a completely uncompetitive team that gets blown out most games and won't follow the system? For fans that came in expecting the former, the latter results in them feeling cheated, it's really not complicated.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We could've let Melo walk. Taken back whatever assets, fielded a competitive 30 something win team with draft picks and cap space while fans bitch and moan. The bitching would lessen in time when they could see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Now you have Carmelo making $124mil, 40% of the total cap and 5-30. In need of a complete overhaul and extreme luck to reach even 30wins.

I don't feel sorry for Dolan or the fans. They are the problem. I don't feel sorry for Phil & Fish cos they gettin paid bug bucks. I don't feel sorry for Carmelo because he doesn't warrant sympathy

It most certainly would've been a tough sell to the fans if they let Melo walk. The only other good option was a trade and Phil didn't want to go that route. My guess is that he wanted to have at least one All Star in place rather than start completely from scratch. He believed the team could win at least 45 games and make the playoffs. This was based on his statements of how many wins he thought it would take to get in and he felt the team would get in. He said he thought that would help his efforts to lure FA's.

Now the plan has to change out of necessity. This is clearly not a team that can be changed into a good team with one FA signing and no FA looking to win a title right away will consider the Knicks. Now the plan is much more long term. Not that Phil didn't have a secondary long term plan all along, but now the short term plan blew up and all that's left is a much longer process. It's just a different process now. Now a higher draft pick is part of the consideration. The cap space is still there but how he uses it will change. This team can still have good things in it's future with proper management. IMO this is actually a more interesting process now. It's not so clear or easy to predict what will happen.

By letting Melo walk I meant in a trade for whatever combination of assets. Young players, picks and expiring contracts

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

Blah blah blah. Do you understand the difference between 1)expecting to see a team of bad players learning a team-oriented system and developing the roots of long-term success and 2) receiving a completely uncompetitive team that gets blown out most games and won't follow the system? For fans that came in expecting the former, the latter results in them feeling cheated, it's really not complicated.

by this point in the season shouldnt they already be aware of what they are going to get? this would make sense the first 10 games of a season, not almost at 40. had this guy called in saying how he didnt want to go and felt compelled to cuz of the cost, that i can understand better (did he perhaps say that?).

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

Blah blah blah. Do you understand the difference between 1)expecting to see a team of bad players learning a team-oriented system and developing the roots of long-term success and 2) receiving a completely uncompetitive team that gets blown out most games and won't follow the system? For fans that came in expecting the former, the latter results in them feeling cheated, it's really not complicated.

There isn't really a difference in practice since no one fell into group 1 before the season (I was called a hater for suggesting this might be only a 40 win team!) and very few fell into group 2.

I don't think Carmelo should shut it down at all. I simply don't want to see him on the court with guys like Bargnani, Dalembert, Amare, JR, and Jayson Smith. If he is healthy, it is behooved the coaching staff to fully deploy the TRIANGLE to help him familiarize with the young players as well as the system. Just waive the players before mentioned and replace them with DLeaguers for now.