VCoug wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:the real value would be to help a tax team get out from that and get a pick back. Like helping Tor out by taking Landry Fields and a #1 back for a #2 or something. Crappy example but you get the idea. Its pure economics but many owners dont want to pay.
Do we have any of our own 2nd round picks? I'm trying to follow the info in the link below.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/f...
I'm not sure we have any 2nd rounders other than Cleveland's 2019.
Probably not- we went through a phase with Grunnie, where it looked like we were restocking on 2nd rounders, but then he gave them all away for Camby and Felton. Think Phil bizarrely gave one or two away as well in getting rid of Travis Outlaw.
We have two 2nd rounders. The breakdown looks like this:
2015 - No 2nd round pick; traded to Houston for Marcus Camby
2016 - No 2nd round pick; Denver has the option to swap from the Melo trade and we traded it completely to Toronto for Bargnani
2017 - No 2nd round pick; traded to Portland for Felton and then somehow made its way to Houston
2018 - Philly has the right to swap 2nd round picks so, as of right now, we have one this year
2019 - We traded our 2nd round pick to Philly but we're getting a 2nd round pick from Cleveland
After 2019 we have all of our 2nd round picks.
So we don't have any 2nd rounders from 2015 to 2017? That's a shame. This year our 2nd rounder would be like a late 1st rounder.
nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:Knicks have given away all their 2nd Rd. Picks and 2019 is the 1st year that they start having 2nd rd picks again. I'm almost positive that Phil is gonna be looking for opportunities to replenish the Draft picks they've sent away. It's just logical to get back those lost assets. Don't know if he'll be successful, but I have to think he's going to be trying hard.
It is possible to buy them for cash. For some reason 2 seasons ago their value got over inflated. Last offseason their value seemed to go back to normal.
Yes he can buy a Pick. Some of us forget that Phil traded for two 2nd rd. Picks which led to Early and Thanasis and then bought another pick for the French kid Labeyrie. Used Ellington to snag Acy. Then he picked up Galloway and Wear, so it's not like Phil has been ignoring young prospects.
It's not just about having a 2nd round pick to use in the draft, we can also use them to grease trades along. Actual good trades, not the terrible ones we've been making. Also, when we don't throw away our 2nd round picks like they're garbage it allows us to either but even more 2nd round picks when we feel it's necessary or use the cash we don't use to buy extra 2nd rounders in trades.
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:the real value would be to help a tax team get out from that and get a pick back. Like helping Tor out by taking Landry Fields and a #1 back for a #2 or something. Crappy example but you get the idea. Its pure economics but many owners dont want to pay.
Do we have any of our own 2nd round picks? I'm trying to follow the info in the link below.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/f...
I'm not sure we have any 2nd rounders other than Cleveland's 2019.
Probably not- we went through a phase with Grunnie, where it looked like we were restocking on 2nd rounders, but then he gave them all away for Camby and Felton. Think Phil bizarrely gave one or two away as well in getting rid of Travis Outlaw.
We have two 2nd rounders. The breakdown looks like this:
2015 - No 2nd round pick; traded to Houston for Marcus Camby
2016 - No 2nd round pick; Denver has the option to swap from the Melo trade and we traded it completely to Toronto for Bargnani
2017 - No 2nd round pick; traded to Portland for Felton and then somehow made its way to Houston
2018 - Philly has the right to swap 2nd round picks so, as of right now, we have one this year
2019 - We traded our 2nd round pick to Philly but we're getting a 2nd round pick from Cleveland
After 2019 we have all of our 2nd round picks.
So we don't have any 2nd rounders from 2015 to 2017? That's a shame. This year our 2nd rounder would be like a late 1st rounder.
Ouch. You don't expect that when you are making moves that get you to 54 wins that year but under ten two years later.
VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:nixluva wrote:Knicks have given away all their 2nd Rd. Picks and 2019 is the 1st year that they start having 2nd rd picks again. I'm almost positive that Phil is gonna be looking for opportunities to replenish the Draft picks they've sent away. It's just logical to get back those lost assets. Don't know if he'll be successful, but I have to think he's going to be trying hard.
It is possible to buy them for cash. For some reason 2 seasons ago their value got over inflated. Last offseason their value seemed to go back to normal.
Yes he can buy a Pick. Some of us forget that Phil traded for two 2nd rd. Picks which led to Early and Thanasis and then bought another pick for the French kid Labeyrie. Used Ellington to snag Acy. Then he picked up Galloway and Wear, so it's not like Phil has been ignoring young prospects.
It's not just about having a 2nd round pick to use in the draft, we can also use them to grease trades along. Actual good trades, not the terrible ones we've been making. Also, when we don't throw away our 2nd round picks like they're garbage it allows us to either but even more 2nd round picks when we feel it's necessary or use the cash we don't use to buy extra 2nd rounders in trades.
Well right now all we can do is try to find ways to bring back picks, cuz the cupboard is bare until 2019. Phil and his crew will have to use a lot of ingenuity to figure out ways to get picks using the cap space and Trade Exceptions they have. It's all they have left now. Unless maybe if they use THJ in a trade. Don't know if THJ or Jose have enough value to bring back much.
