Knicks · Dragic is like a Tim Duncan from the G position (page 2)

Dragic in this offense would be a floor general. I know we don't need one per say, but we don't have a leader on this team. Though Melo will probably always be the go to scorer, a guy like Dragic could really be a nice #2 (or #3 once Okafor is here ;-) . We have a chance...

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it depends on price. He's young enough that I'd gamble on him for a little less than the max.

Brandon Knight is a much better option

+1 - Knight should command a lesser deal and is better at defending the position. No denying his skills at the offensive end. He is extremely gifted, but he needs to improve defensively to warrant anywhere near the money he is going to get next year.

earthmansurfer wrote:Dragic in this offense would be a floor general. I know we don't need one per say, but we don't have a leader on this team. Though Melo will probably always be the go to scorer, a guy like Dragic could really be a nice #2 (or #3 once Okafor is here ;-) . We have a chance...

the issue is that a floor general needs to feel that he can run the team w/o stepping on anybody's toes. kidd had the clout, the resume and the attitude to do that with melo. will dragic?

djsunyc wrote:we have witnessed only 2 teams in the past 30 years that used the triangle - lakers + bulls.

neither of them had a pg that did anything other than spot up and shoot. you would have to make him your secondary scorer next to melo and then fill the lineup out with 2 way players. but if you are expecting him to "run" the team, then dump the triangle.

They also had SGs or wings who facilitated. Its not like PGs left those teams and put up big #s.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it depends on price. He's young enough that I'd gamble on him for a little less than the max.

Brandon Knight is a much better option

+1 - Knight should command a lesser deal and is better at defending the position. No denying his skills at the offensive end. He is extremely gifted, but he needs to improve defensively to warrant anywhere near the money he is going to get next year.

Yea I much rather have Knight although I just don't see us going with a big name PG.

Is Galloway going to be PG or SG? I see no reason why he can't be Phil's quinntisential big lead guard at the point.

Dragic will suck in the triangle, he plays fast dynamic basketball and like holfresh says is a ball dominant pg which is the opposite of what Phil would want. Unless we ditch the triangle or tailor it, no chance of Phil trying to get him. I want him here a lot, he was very entertaining to watch and played a big part in phx successful season. I was very pissed when he was not an all star last year.

I would draft Ok4 or Towns and use our resources on guys like a big SG and a PF/C.

Guys like Matthews, Green, Butler and Milsap or Lopez/Biyombo maybe even Gasol depending on who we draft

BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks havent had a PG like Dragic since Walt Frazier. I bet he is #1 on the Knicks wishlist for what in the UFA category. Hes a big 1.5 who can do a lot of things hes in his prime years and I dont think hes the type who will be injured half his contract.

He needs to be #1 on our list. We need to offer him a huge contract for whatever it takes. I can see phil grabbing him first and picking up R Lopez to put next to Okafor or Towns. Would be a great offseason to begin with. Dragic is the real deal and would be a perfect fit in this offense and alongside Melo.

gunsnewing wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it depends on price. He's young enough that I'd gamble on him for a little less than the max.

Brandon Knight is a much better option

+1 - Knight should command a lesser deal and is better at defending the position. No denying his skills at the offensive end. He is extremely gifted, but he needs to improve defensively to warrant anywhere near the money he is going to get next year.

Yea I much rather have Knight although I just don't see us going with a big name PG.

Is Galloway going to be PG or SG? I see no reason why he can't be Phil's quinntisential big lead guard at the point.

You think Knight is a bigger name than Dragic?

Or you feel Phil won't splash for a point guard in general?

gunsnewing wrote:I would draft Ok4 or Towns and use our resources on guys like a big SG and a PF/C.

Guys like Matthews, Green, Butler and Milsap or Lopez/Biyombo maybe even Gasol depending on who we draft

We're not getting Butler or Gasol, I know it's cute to throw names around

But those are the ones not going anywhere

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I would draft Ok4 or Towns and use our resources on guys like a big SG and a PF/C.

Guys like Matthews, Green, Butler and Milsap or Lopez/Biyombo maybe even Gasol depending on who we draft

We're not getting Butler or Gasol, I know it's cute to throw names around

But those are the ones not going anywhere

Then if not the other guys I mentioned we should stay put until summer of 16. Can't lock us into to more mediocre players for big money again

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, it depends on price. He's young enough that I'd gamble on him for a little less than the max.

Brandon Knight is a much better option

+1 - Knight should command a lesser deal and is better at defending the position. No denying his skills at the offensive end. He is extremely gifted, but he needs to improve defensively to warrant anywhere near the money he is going to get next year.

Yea I much rather have Knight although I just don't see us going with a big name PG.

Is Galloway going to be PG or SG? I see no reason why he can't be Phil's quinntisential big lead guard at the point.

You think Knight is a bigger name than Dragic?

Or you feel Phil won't splash for a point guard in general?

Both are bigger names. So the latter. Phil's PG's don't make more than $4mil. Maybe Galloway is the guy

TPercy wrote:Dragic will suck in the triangle, he plays fast dynamic basketball and like holfresh says is a ball dominant pg which is the opposite of what Phil would want. Unless we ditch the triangle or tailor it, no chance of Phil trying to get him. I want him here a lot, he was very entertaining to watch and played a big part in phx successful season. I was very pissed when he was not an all star last year.

what is it about the triangle that isnt suited for Dragic?

I think people look at the PGs of Phil's title teams and assume thats the mold. Those teams had superstar SGs who didnt need dynamic floor generals. Because they facilitated so much (both Kobe are MJ are 5+ assist guys) what did they need at PG? A guy who could defend and shoot. Thats just BB, not so much triangle. If you have MJ and Kobe why would you have a PG that dominates the ball?

BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks havent had a PG like Dragic since Walt Frazier. I bet he is #1 on the Knicks wishlist for what in the UFA category. Hes a big 1.5 who can do a lot of things hes in his prime years and I dont think hes the type who will be injured half his contract.

Sure we did but idiot team traded him...Rod Strickland..Dragic isn't even close to Strickland...Michael Ray Richardson...Marbury...

I can see going after Lin who will make significantly less and using the resources elsewhere

gunsnewing wrote:I can see going after Lin who will make significantly less and using the resources elsewhere

From a cost perspective, I this would make sense and I agree that Phil may not spend at the position. However, his perimeter shooting and defensive ineptitude don't really make me think this is on the radar. Phil's PGs have historically defended the position pretty well if my memory serves me correctly.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I can see going after Lin who will make significantly less and using the resources elsewhere

From a cost perspective, I this would make sense and I agree that Phil may not spend at the position. However, his perimeter shooting and defensive ineptitude don't really make me think this is on the radar. Phil's PGs have historically defended the position pretty well if my memory serves me correctly.

Lin is adequate defensively and has a knack for steals. I don't know if Dragic is better or worse but he is going to command max money. Also Lin seemed to shoot better in New York

djsunyc wrote:we have witnessed only 2 teams in the past 30 years that used the triangle - lakers + bulls.

neither of them had a pg that did anything other than spot up and shoot. you would have to make him your secondary scorer next to melo and then fill the lineup out with 2 way players. but if you are expecting him to "run" the team, then dump the triangle.

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no ball dominant PG of note. Fish-Kerr-Paxton-BJ-Craig hodges-randy brown-Lindsey hunter, Farmar- all 6 foot 2, not great ball handlers but very good outside shooters!
Also Trent Tucker, Ron Harper, Pete Myers, brian shaw, Isiah Rider, Mitch richmond, , Vujacic,

These are a good list of his SG's that got minutes and got rings not named Jordan, Pippen or Kobe. Some were at the tail end of their careers.

What Dragic does bring to the table is shooting and height.

Phil has a lot of slots to fill on the roster and if this guy is going to command 15mil and get it, Im not sure this would be a good use of money when so many other areas are needed.

Outside of Shaq, who is a top 5 center of all time, His centers like Longly, cartwright, wennington, bynum and pau were fundamentally sound on the offense side. On defense he had guys like corey blunt, Jason Caffey, Rodman, grant, to defend the rim and rebound.

Taking stabs at talent we see as potential FA's or Dleague guys is fun but just "get the best talent availble" without any rhyme or reason does not always make sense, we should at least consider what his template has been in the past. Some Dleaguers might be "I need to show my stuff NOW in the NBA, the clock is ticking on my career!!" not "That triangle takes two years to get right and unless I have a firm commitment, Im better going to another team". Best case is like Galloway where the team made a commitment to bring him along and if they are doing the triangle in westchester, practicing in westchester, and maybe practicing with the Knicks once in a while he got a good look.

Phil will spend money on a guy who can play the post or another wing player who handles the ball like Pippen..PG max players need not apply..

Is he a PG or is Bledsoe the PG? I thought Dragic was playing SG

TPercy wrote:Dragic will suck in the triangle, he plays fast dynamic basketball and like holfresh says is a ball dominant pg which is the opposite of what Phil would want. Unless we ditch the triangle or tailor it, no chance of Phil trying to get him. I want him here a lot, he was very entertaining to watch and played a big part in phx successful season. I was very pissed when he was not an all star last year.

I've been against getting a guy like Dragic in the triangle for the reasons you state. But Dragic or any driving and distributing PG can still be a very valuable asset in the triangle. They, or a capable SG, can bring the ball up the court and initiate the offense (which in the triangle isn't much). But once that ball gets moving that is where a guy like Dragic or Jackson can be valuable, as they can drive, disrupt and distribute. I really want a VERY strong defender at PG though, not sure about those guys. Galloway is actually looking very good.